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On Oct 23, 2:06 pm, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well Mark
>
> nice to have a real name to talk to.
>
> But. He has broken laws. He released Classified document he had no right to
> have in his possession. He did not own them and so had no right to release
> them. information files are the same in law as a physical commodity.
> He at the very least received stolen property.
> You do not have to be e member of the military or take an oath to be bound
> by the laws that cover classified files or any other information package.
> That movie file on you computer is the same as owning the physical DVD. And
> that is why people can be prosecuted for sharing information files, if they
> information is owned by someone else.
>
> There are excitations in cases of the public good. Though that is usually
> reserved for things like poisonous goods knowingly sold by companies.
> Classified military files are not covered. Eilsberg only got away with it
> because of the political atmosphere at the time.
>
> Bear
>
> On 23 October 2010 14:24, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just what exactly makes him an asshole ?? He has broken no laws nor has he
> > released anything the Pentagon/US feels is important. He has endangered no
> > one nor has the information released.
>
> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Or, have the CIA take this asshole out. I can live with that much better.
>
> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Bear,
>
> >>> If you do nothing that needs to be hidden or that you are ashamed of
> >>> there is no threat. The official Pentagon comment on the last release
> >>> was that it contained nothing of importance. Just how is releasing
> >>> "nothing of importance" (a seemingly small fact left out of your
> >>> posted article) the act of a traitor??
>
> >>> Further, US law, US tradition, US ideals and or anything else US
> >>> applies only on US soil. Live with it.
>
> >>> On Oct 23, 11:33 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > A surprisingly frank, for the times, look at the idiot behind
> >>> Wikileaks.
>
> >>> > Personally I think the guy is a traitor. My lefty neighbour says he is
> >>> not a
> >>> > traitor as he leaked U.S. documents and he is an Aussie.
> >>> > Well, the Australians have soldiers in this war too. And his actions
> >>> have
> >>> > endangered them. As well as my Canadian countrymen and friends serving
> >>> in
> >>> > Afghanistan.
>
> >>> > He is paranoid about the CIA. (time for the aluminum foil hat?) But,
> >>> one of
> >>> > these days he is going to leak the wrong file and insult the Taliban
> >>> and
> >>> > their friends in the west. Then he will see just what it is like to be
> >>> on
> >>> > the run. And will probably then want the U.S. or Britain to protect
> >>> him.
>
> >>> > Bear
>
> >>> > WikiLeaks Founder on the Run, Chased by Turmoil By JOHN F.
> >>> > BURNS<
> >>>http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/john_f_b..
> >>> .>and
> >>> > RAVI SOMAIYA Published:
> >>> > October 23, 2010
>
> >>> > LONDON — Julian Assange moves like a hunted man. In a noisy Ethiopian
> >>> > restaurant in London's rundown Paddington district, he pitches his
> >>> voice
> >>> > barely above a whisper to foil the Western intelligence agencies he
> >>> fears.
>
> >>> > He demands that his dwindling number of loyalists use expensive
> >>> encrypted
> >>> > cellphones and swaps his own as other men change shirts. He checks into
> >>> > hotels under false names, dyes his hair, sleeps on sofas and floors,
> >>> and
> >>> > uses cash instead of credit cards, often borrowed from friends.
>
> >>> > "By being determined to be on this path, and not to compromise, I've
> >>> wound
> >>> > up in an extraordinary situation," Mr. Assange said over lunch last
> >>> Sunday,
> >>> > when he arrived sporting a woolen beanie and a wispy stubble and
> >>> trailing a
> >>> > youthful entourage that included a filmmaker assigned to document any
> >>> > unpleasant surprises.
>
> >>> > In his remarkable journey to notoriety, Mr. Assange, founder of the
> >>> > WikiLeaks<
> >>>http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/w/w..
> >>> .>whistle-blowers'
> >>> > Web site, sees the next few weeks as his most hazardous.
> >>> > Now he is making his most brazen disclosure yet: 391,832 secret
> >>> documents on
> >>> > the Iraq war. He held a news conference in London on Saturday, saying
> >>> that
> >>> > the release "constituted the most comprehensive and detailed account of
> >>> any
> >>> > war ever to have entered the public record."
>
> >>> > Twelve weeks earlier, he posted on his organization's Web site some
> >>> 77,000
> >>> > classified Pentagon documents on the Afghan conflict.
>
> >>> > Much has changed since 2006, when Mr. Assange, a 39-year-old
> >>> Australian,
> >>> > used years of computer hacking and what friends call a near genius I.Q.
> >>> to
> >>> > establish WikiLeaks, redefining whistle-blowing by gathering secrets in
> >>> > bulk, storing them beyond the reach of governments and others
> >>> determined to
> >>> > retrieve them, then releasing them instantly, and globally.
>
> >>> > Now it is not just governments that denounce him: some of his own
> >>> comrades
> >>> > are abandoning him for what they see as erratic and imperious behavior,
> >>> and
> >>> > a nearly delusional grandeur unmatched by an awareness that the digital
> >>> > secrets he reveals can have a price in flesh and blood.
>
> >>> > Several WikiLeaks colleagues say he alone decided to release the Afghan
> >>> > documents without removing the names of Afghan intelligence sources
> >>> > for NATO<
> >>>http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/n..
> >>> .>troops.
> >>> > "We were very, very upset with that, and with the way he spoke about
> >>> > it afterwards," said Birgitta Jonsdottir, a core WikiLeaks volunteer
> >>> and a
> >>> > member of Iceland's Parliament. "If he could just focus on the
> >>> important
> >>> > things he does, it would be better."
>
> >>> > He is also being investigated in connection with accusations of rape
> >>> and
> >>> > molestation involving two Swedish women. Mr. Assange denied the
> >>> allegations,
> >>> > saying the relations were consensual. But prosecutors in Sweden have
> >>> yet to
> >>> > formally approve charges or dismiss the case eight weeks after the
> >>> > complaints against Mr. Assange were filed, damaging his quest for a
> >>> secure
> >>> > base for himself and WikiLeaks. Though he characterizes the claims as
> >>> "a
> >>> > smear campaign," the scandal has compounded the pressures of his
> >>> cloaked
> >>> > life.
>
> >>> > "When it comes to the point where you occasionally look forward to
> >>> being in
> >>> > prison on the basis that you might be able to spend a day reading a
> >>> book,
> >>> > the realization dawns that perhaps the situation has become a little
> >>> more
> >>> > stressful than you would like," he said over the London lunch.
>
> >>> > *Exposing Secrets*
>
> >>> > Mr. Assange has come a long way from an unsettled childhood in
> >>> Australia as
> >>> > a self-acknowledged social misfit who narrowly avoided prison after
> >>> being
> >>> > convicted on 25 charges of computer hacking in 1995. History is
> >>> punctuated
> >>> > by spies, defectors and others who revealed the most inflammatory
> >>> secrets of
> >>> > their age. Mr. Assange has become that figure for the Internet era,
> >>> with as
> >>> > yet unreckoned consequences for himself and for the keepers of the
> >>> world's
> >>> > secrets.
>
> >>> > "I've been waiting 40 years for someone to disclose information on a
> >>> scale
> >>> > that might really make a difference," said Daniel
> >>> > Ellsberg<
> >>>http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/e/daniel_e..
> >>> .>,
> >>> > who exposed a 1,000-page secret study of the Vietnam War in 1971 that
> >>> became
> >>> > known as the Pentagon Papers.
>
> >>> > Mr. Ellsberg said he saw kindred spirits in Mr. Assange and Pfc.
> >>> Bradley
> >>> > Manning<
> >>>http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/bradley_..
> >>> .>,
> >>> > the 22-year-old former Army intelligence operative under detention in
> >>> > Quantico, Va., suspected of leaking the Iraq and Afghan documents.
>
> >>> > "They were willing to go to prison for life, or be executed, to put out
> >>> this
> >>> > information," Mr. Ellsberg said.
>
> >>> > Underlying Mr. Assange's anxieties is deep uncertainty about what the
> >>> United
> >>> > States and its allies may do next. Pentagon and Justice department
> >>> officials
> >>> > have said they are weighing his actions under the 1917 Espionage Act.
> >>> They
> >>> > have demanded that Mr. Assange "return" all government documents in his
> >>> > possession, undertake not to publish any new ones and not "solicit"
> >>> further
> >>> > American materials.
>
> >>> > Mr. Assange has responded by going on the run, but has found no refuge.
> >>> Amid
> >>> > the Afghan documents controversy, he flew to Sweden, seeking a
> >>> residence
> >>> > permit and protection under that country's broad press freedoms. His
> >>> initial
> >>> > welcome was euphoric.
>
> >>> > "They called me the James Bond of journalism," he recalled wryly. "It
> >>> got me
> >>> > a lot of fans, and some of them ended up causing me a bit of trouble."
>
> >>> > In late September, he left Stockholm for Berlin. A bag he checked on
> >>> the
> >>> > almost empty flight disappeared, with three encrypted laptops. It has
> >>> not
> >>> > resurfaced; Mr. Assange suspects it was intercepted. From Germany, he
> >>> > traveled to London, wary at being detained on arrival. Iceland, a
> >>> country
> >>> > with generous press freedoms , has also lost its appeal, with Mr.
> >>> Assange
> >>> > concluding that its government is too easily influenced by Washington.
>
> >>> > He faces attack from within, too.
>
> >>> > After the Sweden scandal, strains within WikiLeaks reached a breaking
> >>> point,
> >>> > with some of Mr. Assange's closest collaborators publicly defecting.
> >>> The New
> >>> > York Times spoke with dozens of people
>
> ...
>
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