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10 Hoaxes Perpetrated by the Left



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10 Hoaxes Perpetrated by the Left

by Dr. Eowyn

Top 10 Hoaxes Perpetrated by the Left and Trumpeted by a Complicit Media (excerpts)

by Megan Fox NewsRealBlog Dec 20, 2010

10. Professor at Claremont College Vandalizes Car. Holds Anti-Hate Rally to Protest

Kerri Dunn gave a barn-burner speech at Claremont College in California about racial discrimination and hatred. After her speech, she went to her car where she found it had been spray painted and vandalized with the words "kike whore" and "n***er lover." She immediately went back to the event and reported she was a victim of a hate crime. The school shut down classes for an entire day.

The haters of hate had a big rally and just when everyone was whipped up into a racially fueled frenzy, two eyewitnesses came forward to report that Dunn had done the damage herself. (Cue leaking balloon sound effect.)  Adding to her long history of criminal activity (shoplifting, driving on a fake license, theft,) she was convicted of two felony counts of attempted insurance fraud and one misdemeanor count of filing a false police report. The college then went on to "defeat and repudiate" the offender by suspending he r with pay and renting her a replacement car.

9. Crazed Professor Claims "Workplace Terrorism"

Lynn Snowden, far-left counter-terrorism professor at University of North Carolina Wilmington (UNCW,) accused colleague Mike Adams, criminal justice professor at UNCW and conservative columnist at Townhall, of breaking into her office and spraying it with tear gas. She reported this accusation to the police as well as to the entire staff. She claimed her legs were going numb and that several items in her office had been tampered with including, but not limited to, the margins on her computer.

It seems the trouble began with her accusing another staff member, Cecil Willis, of "hate crimes" and "sexual harassment," which never proved true. Once her attempt to derail his career blew up, it is possible she just snapped. Snowden was never reprimanded for her false accusations and remains a professor at UNCW.

8. And Now For the Evening Noose

It all began in a little town, Jena, Louisiana. Some high school kids thought they were pulling a prank on the rodeo team by hanging nooses from a tree where they ate lunch every day. On the day of discovery, the kids (white and black) were reported to have been playing with them, doing pull ups on them and even sticking their heads into them. The students responsible were threatened with expulsion but it was decided that was too harsh a punishment since they did not know the significance of the noose in the South. (One more reason to home school your kids.) Instead of expulsion, they received suspension.

This did not sit well with the "community." They felt the sentence was too light. Enter the race-baiters. The local FBI wanted to treat the noose hanging as a hate crime! I agree it's dumb and even hateful to hang a noose, but is it against the law? Can you prosecute someone for putting an empty noose in a tree? Isn't it better to simply ignore such distasteful behavior? And in this case, none of the school officials (or the kids playing on the nooses) thought the boys who did it meant any racial disrespect to anyone!

Months after the noose incident a white student, Justin Barker, was ambushed at school by six black students who beat him unconscious. There was no explanation for this attack although the media attributed it to the noose incident. The only problem with this theory was that Barker wasn't one of the boys who hung the nooses.

7. Census Worker Found Hanging, Left Blames Tea Party

A census worker in Kentucky was found hanging with the word "fed" written on his chest and immediately the lefty media leapt to the conclusion that an angry anti-government Tea Partier was involved. Writers at the Huffington Post took this opportunity to embarrass themselves, writing articles called The Hanged Census Worker: Why Appalachia Hates Feds, and Discussion of Dead Census Worker Highlights Right-Wing Paranoia.

Too bad that person turned out to be Bill Sparkman, the victim trying to defraud his insurance company.

6. The Girl Who Cried Rape

The famous Duke Lacrosse team "rape" of stripper Crystal Gail Magnum made the headlines for quite a while, destroying the lives of many in their wake. I can't argue that the guys involved in this case were examples of upstanding citizenry or anything. They were idiots who hired strippers at a booze-fueled party. Note to college-age boys: Refrain from getting drunk and calling suspect numbers on Craig's List. You will regret it.

Everyone knows this story. Black girl accuses white athletes of gang rape, entire university (and media) responds by hanging posters of accused forcing their coach to resign and jumping the gun in defense of the "victim" who later turns out to be another crazy whackjob who made it all up.  I'm sure there were plenty of "Womyn's Center" rallies around this one involving really awkward speeches about vagina rights. Like the other hoaxes, this one ended in the falsely accused filing and winning lawsuits, an out of control prosecutor serving jail time and a university staff shamed (but not repentant.)

5.  The Infamous Twawna Brawley

Undeniably, this was one of the worst race hoaxes ever committed. A 15-year-old girl faked her own kidnapping and gang rape by "white men" in order to escape punishment from her parents for being somewhere she ought not have been. When Al Sharpton got a hold of her, she became the rallying cry for racial justice in America. Sharpton pulled out all the stops and accused a District Attorney and police officers of being the rapists. One of the officers accused, Harry Crist Jr., had committed suicide before he was named in the attack and his memory was dragged through the mud causing untold pain and humiliation to his family. Eventuall y the truth came out and Sharpton had to pay tens of thousands of dollars in damages. Somehow, he still is allowed to be a leader in the black community.

4. The N-Word on Capitol Hill

MSNBC reported,

Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon House Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted "the N-word, the N-word, 15 times." Both Carson and Lewis are black, and Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones also said that it occurred. "It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a large former police officer who said he wasn't frightened but worried about the 70-year-old Lewis, who is twice his age. "He said it reminded him of another time."

But Andrew Breitbart offered $100,000 to anyone with video evidence of these events. Not surprisingly, none surfaced. There is absolutely no way in this technological climate where every 8-year-old has an iphone that no one got it on video. But Breitbart did find video on his own that showed the accusers to be liars.

3. Dan Rather Lied, the Mainstream Media Died

Dan Rather and his rabid anti-Bush producer Mary Mapes pulled one of the dumbest (and most entertaining) hoaxes in history. In 2004, the leftist media was desperate to kill George W. Bush's chances at re-election. John Kerry was a disappointing candidate, to say the least, and Americans connected with Bush on 9/11 in a significant way. With re-election looming, the lefty media took it upon themselves to dig up dirt, even if they had to falsify it. Mary Mapes, 60 Minutes producer, was in contact with Bill Burkett who she admitted knowing was an "anti-Bush zealot." He provided her with documents he said proved Bush did not live up to National Guard standards or fulfill his duties while serving. Mapes never authenticated the documents and gave them to Rather to run with them.

And run with them he did! Hours after the 60 Minutes episode aired, the blogosphere went crazy tearing apart the documents for the fakes they were. This was the moment the elite media died. Mary Mapes was fired and Dan Rather retired in a cloud of shame.

2. Muslim Hate Hoaxes

Who hasn't heard of the notorious "backlash" Americans have been unleashing on Muslims since 9/11? We're to believe that Americans don't have anything better to do than spray paint hate graffiti on every Muslim business they come across. Intimidation and rudeness sums up what the media thinks Americans are into. But have you ever heard of the fake islamophobia hate hoaxes? I hadn't. But rest assured if any of these were really true, the leftist media would run 24-hour news cycles to inform us of it. Here are some examples:

McALLEN, Tex., Sept. 29 – The owner of a Middle Eastern meat market who had said he was the victim of a hate crime in this border town was arrested and arraigned Tuesday [Sept. 28] on a felony arson charge that he set fire to his own business. The man, Amjad Abunar, had complained that "Go Home" was twice spray-painted on a door of his Al Madinah Market before a fire on Aug. 6 that gutted the small delicatessen. Only last week, the graffiti and fire were cited as evidence by a Washington advocacy group that hate crimes against Muslims were on the rise in Texas. Bond for Mr. Abunar was set at $150,000, and he remained in jail on Wednesda y.

The story that developed in July [2006] was just too good to pass up: a Jordanian-born restaurant owner in Xenia, Ohio had been the apparent victim of repeated attempts to burn down his store. The day after the third attack, when a Molotov cocktail had been thrown through the front window of his business, yet another explosion rocked the store – the second attack in 24 hours – sending the owner and his son to the hospital with burns over 80-90 percent of their bodies. An employee in an adjoining store was also taken to the hospital for injuries. Just hours before the blast, the store owner had been interviewed by a local TV station vowing that he w ould never give in to pressure to close the store (video of the interview can be seen here). Arson investigators have determined that the final blast that severely injured the store owner, Musa Shteiwi, and his son, Essa, was set by the pair themselves. In a performance worthy of a Darwin Award, the Shteiwis were standing in a pool of gasoline that they intended to use as an accelerant in setting their store ablaze later that night when Musa Shteiwi took a break and lit up a cigarette, ig niting the gasoline prematurely and causing the blast that inflicted their injuries. But there's more: prosecutors claim that Shteiwi had hired a former employee, Joshua Hunter, to commit the previous attacks against his store that CAIR had insisted were hate crimes committed by non-Muslim members of the Xenia community. Hunter has been jailed and charged with arson, and similar charges against Musa and Essa Shteiwi are pending until after they have recovered from their injuries.

1. Fake Anti-Muslim Flyer

In a stratagem typical of the deceitful smear campaigns the left seems to favor, an obviously fake hate flyer has been posted all over the George Washington University campus with the intention of sabotaging Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week (October 22-26), and smearing its sponsors the David Horowitz Freedom Center and the Young America's Foundation. The flyer, which is headlined "Hate Muslims? So Do We" and masquerades as a publication by GW students now organizing Islamo Fascism Awareness Week activities, is itself a hate crime as well as a forgery. Its authors, cowering behind anonymity, are part of what has become a national movement to attack Islamo- Fascism Awareness Week.

It does not seem to matter to leftists that the term "Islamo-Fascism" was first used by Muslims in Algeria.

~Excerpts posted by Eowyn

 

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Occupy Building 7 Nov. 19-20



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By OccupyBuilding7.org March from Liberty Plaza to WTC 7 at noon each day. Occupy the park in front of WTC 7 until nightfall. General Assemblies will be held at 2pm each day to discuss the direction and continuation of the Occupy Building 7 occupation after 11/20. To all those who continue to fight for the [...]

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Senators Ask DOE Inspector General to Investigate $730 Million Loan to Russian-owned Steel Mill




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Senators Ask DOE Inspector General to Investigate $730 Million Loan to Russian-owned Steel Mill

by Scotty Starnes

Obama, and his team of wealth redistributors, continue to spend taxpayer dollars recklessly. Why would the US government give a Russian-own steel mill a $730 million dollar loan? If the pattern fits, I'm sure we will learn that they gave money to Obama's campaign and Obama awarded them with this loan.

From The Hill:

Two GOP senators want the Energy Department's (DOE) internal watchdog to investigate a planned $730 million loan for a company to manufacture high-strength automotive steel in Michigan.

Sens. Dan Coats (R-Ind.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) are asking DOE Inspector General Gregory Friedman to probe whether Severstal North America — a subsidiary of Russian steel giant OAO Severstal — should receive public financing to retool and expand facilities in Dearborn, Mich.

"Given the tremendous fiscal crisis that we find ourselves in today, it does not seem appropriate for the program to subsidize technologies that have already achieved commercial success through private-sector means," their Nov. 7 letter to Friedman states.

The letter follows House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa's (R-Calif.) letter to Energy Secretary Steven Chu last month attacking the potential financing.

More broadly, the senators' push for an IG probe comes amid GOP criticism of Energy Department loan programs following the collapse of Solyndra, the California solar manufacturing company that went belly-up two months ago after receiving a $535 million DOE loan guarantee in 2009.

Severstal won a conditional commitment from DOE in June to receive a loan through DOE's Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing program.

Translation. Money for union bosses and union workers.

The senators' letter asks a series of questions about the planned funding, such as whether DOE undertook a "market analysis" to determine whether the loan was needed, and whether the project is even eligible under the program.

From the senators' Nov. 7 letter to the IG:

The Department's stated purpose for the loan program is to "accelerate the domestic commercial deployment of … new or significantly improved energy technologies." There is ample evidence to show that several U.S. companies already manufacture the Advanced High Strength Steel (AHSS) for which Severstal is receiving this loan award. As such, the Department's decision to issue the loan raises very serious concerns.

How many jobs will this $730 million loan create?

"Severstal's application is for a project that would help make American car manufacturers more competitive as demand for lighter, more-fuel-efficient vehicles increases; strengthen the American steel industry; and support more than 2,500 construction jobs and over 260 permanent manufacturing jobs in Michigan," DOE spokesman Damien LaVera said last month in response to Issa's inquiry.

260 permanent jobs @ $370 million comes out to $1.42 million per job. This is how the government works.

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Foreign Policy Experts Agree With Ron Paul’s Controversial Foreign Policy


Nov 6, 2011 7:00pm
Foreign Policy Experts Agree With Ron Paul's Controversial Foreign Policy
By Jason M. Volack

Ron Paul is often chided by his Republican opponents for his extreme views on American foreign policy.  His calls for ending all foreign wars and shutting hundreds of military bases across the globe have drawn howls from his GOP rivals, who have labeled the moves irresponsible and naïve.

His campaign pledge of cutting all foreign aid and withdrawing U.S. participation in the World Trade Organization and the United Nations has been at odds with even the most conservative members of his own party.

Yet as voting day in Iowa and New Hampshire draws near, Paul, the Congressman from Texas, is finding support for his non-interventionist positions from a growing number of foreign policy experts.

"He's attacking our rich lazy friends, why is that not more popular," said  Harvey Sapolsky, emeritus professor of public policy and organization at MIT. He backs Paul's calls for reducing America's military budget, arguing that much of it is used to defend wealthy nations' security.

A huge, Cold War-era global presence ­ with hundreds of overseas military bases ­ isn't necessary, now that the Soviet threat is over and the collapse of communism, Sapolsky said.

"It's not in America's interest," said Sapolsky, who added that despite the drumbeat in the media over the fear of terrorism, America is the safest it has ever been in its history.

Christopher Preble, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is also another foreign policy expert who agrees that the United States is extraordinarily secure due to its geography and nuclear weapons, and doesn't need a huge global presence.

He also argued that the United States' military is being used in overseas conflicts with little or no national interest, specifically pointing to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Preble gave Paul credit for being one of the few outspoken critics of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

For sure America's attitudes toward the war has changed and popular opinion seems to be on his side.

It's evident at most of his campaign stops, where Paul's calls for the troops to return home are met with thunderous applause and the occasional standing ovation.

But not all of Paul's foreign policy positions have gone over well.

Paul has often said that America encourages terror by stationing troops worldwide.

"That's irresponsible," former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum said. "A future president of the United State should not be parroting what Osama Bin Laden said on 9/11."

Santorum, who is among Paul's  rivals for the GOP presidential nomination, challenged him at a recent debate, to explain his view that American overseas domination caused the Sept. 11 attacks.

Paul's answer received a hostile response from the audience and even a few boos.

Paul's view that a withdrawal of U.S. troops would decrease the incentive for terrorists to attack the United States g ot him into trouble with a Concord, N.H., voter earlier this year, who questioned his sanity.

"Anyone who thinks that is off their rocker," she said.

"He's easily dismissed as a crank," said Sapolsky, who says Paul has good ideas but can be an inarticulate messenger.

Like most aspects of running a national political campaign, style often outweighs substance and both Sapolsky and Preble said that Paul is neither a great orator nor does he break down large global situations well.

But despite his shortcomings, Sapolsky does give Paul credit for speaking his mind.

"A lot of people won't say come home," Sapolsky said. "But Ron Paul does and that's great."


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/foreign-policy-experts-agree-with-ron-pauls-controversial-foreign-policy/

Re: Immigration and Misplaced Blame



At 10:28 AM 11/8/2011, you wrote:
Show me where the Constitution or the Declaration or the Federalist Papers or the Articles of Confederation or any founding document has mentioned that it applies to anyone other than a citizen of the 13 separate colonies (it did not even apply to Slaves or Indians that were here legally until "LAW" changed that). Show me anywhere that says that the laws,  mandates and ideals of the USA apply to anyone outside their borders without the consent of the "governed" and the "government" of that other nation with "borders".

I will wait right here for both REAL LIFE examples. (real life is something that does not wax philosophical and is enforceable)

It what?

The Constitution created the Federal Government. It provides specific functions to each of its branches. It provides limitations on what it can do and how it must treat Individuals.
Look at Amendment V, for instance:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Where does it claim 'citizen'? Voter? 'Governed'? It states PERSON.

When the US Federal Government is seeking to 'hold' *anyone* to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime within its jurisdiction ... it MUST (per the Constitution) act accordingly.

But the premise HERE was NOT the gang created by the Constitution -- put into force without unanimity (and thus a violation of the premise of 'consent' by definition) ... voted upon by no living Individual in this country nor others (again no 'consent' of the governed).

The issue HERE was (natural) rights -- which migration is.

Regard$,
--MJ

"A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sin and suffering" -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Kercheval, 1816.







On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:47 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
yes migration is one of those (natural) rights that the "governed" and the "government" have in this nation.

Actually, migration is one of the (natural) rights that is VIOLATED by the government in this nation.


Please, in very simple terms, explain to me exactly how a foreign national without permission to cross our border (or Mexicos border for that matter as the laws there require THEIR "governed" have permission to exit the country) is considered to be one of OUR "governed".
As to understanding "natural rights"... I understand the "concept" perfectly. I also understand that they exist nation by nation as granted to its citizens by constitutional decree. The question is: Do you?

You prove the point as you continue to describe permissions -- not (natural) rights.
It is noted that you dropped the 'consent' portion.

Regard$,
--MJ

"Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it at his own will.  This is what is called personal liberty, and is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson:







On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
Yelling does little for your delusion.
Migration, of course, is one of those (natural) rights.
Maybe THAT is the problem. You simply do not understand/grasp (natural) rights.
I certainly did not 'consent' ... the same applies for MOST within this Country.
You might seek out some Spooner, as well.
Regard$,
--MJ
"By what right do men exercise power over each other?" -- Auberon Herbert




At 09:18 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:
SHOW ME THE MAP OF THE WORLD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THOSE LINES... YOUR ARGUMENT IS BASED IN FANTASY... MINE IN REALITY... "CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" MEANS EXACTLY THAT.... "NO GOVERNMENT.....NO GOVERNED" , "NO GOVERNED....NO GOVERNMENT"
THIS REQUIRES CITIZENSHIP OR CONSENT (2 WAY...NOT 1 WAY STREET) TO BE GOVERNED...  A FOREIGN NATIONAL WITHOUT THAT 2 WAY CONSENT IS ILLEGAL
PLEASE TAKE A READING COMPREHENSION CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST NOTICED THE CAPS....SORRY.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
You remain confused.
To Secure (natural) rights ... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Governments are created to secure (natural) rights.
You want Government to VIOLATE (natural) rights ... and then insert some nonsense about voting and map lines.
INSTEAD of securing (natural) rights, you want Government to extend and withhold permission -- which has NOTHING to do with the Declaration et al.
Regard$,
--MJ
A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum





At 04:47 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:
Hey MJ'..... It's right HERE:
That to secure these rights,
Governments are instituted among Men,,,,,,,,,,,,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Foreign nationals are not "Governed" nor can they "Vote".  Please read and heed the Documents you try to quote.




On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
At 12:26 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote:
 MJ says:  They argue that we can't have people circumventing the
system because it undermines the rule of law. But laws are legitimate
only when they protect the natural rights of others.
Laws are designed to protect the natural rights of that countries
citizens... Definitely NOT "natural rights of others."

Where was THAT portion of the Declaration?

Regard$,
--MJ

It is a very dangerous doctrine to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions. It is one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. ... The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments coequal and cosovereign within themselves. -- Thomas Jefferson to Jarvis, 1820

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Re: Immigration and Misplaced Blame

Show me where the Constitution or the Declaration or the Federalist Papers or the Articles of Confederation or any founding document has mentioned that it applies to anyone other than a citizen of the 13 separate colonies (it did not even apply to Slaves or Indians that were here legally until "LAW" changed that). Show me anywhere that says that the laws,  mandates and ideals of the USA apply to anyone outside their borders without the consent of the "governed" and the "government" of that other nation with "borders".

I will wait right here for both REAL LIFE examples. (real life is something that does not wax philosophical and is enforceable)

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:47 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
yes migration is one of those (natural) rights that the "governed" and the "government" have in this nation.

Actually, migration is one of the (natural) rights that is VIOLATED by the government in this nation.


Please, in very simple terms, explain to me exactly how a foreign national without permission to cross our border (or Mexicos border for that matter as the laws there require THEIR "governed" have permission to exit the country) is considered to be one of OUR "governed".
As to understanding "natural rights"... I understand the "concept" perfectly. I also understand that they exist nation by nation as granted to its citizens by constitutional decree. The question is: Do you?

You prove the point as you continue to describe permissions -- not (natural) rights.
It is noted that you dropped the 'consent' portion.

Regard$,
--MJ

"Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it at his own will.  This is what is called personal liberty, and is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson:







On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

Yelling does little for your delusion.
Migration, of course, is one of those (natural) rights.

Maybe THAT is the problem. You simply do not understand/grasp (natural) rights.

I certainly did not 'consent' ... the same applies for MOST within this Country.

You might seek out some Spooner, as well.

Regard$,
--MJ

"By what right do men exercise power over each other?" -- Auberon Herbert




At 09:18 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:
SHOW ME THE MAP OF THE WORLD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THOSE LINES... YOUR ARGUMENT IS BASED IN FANTASY... MINE IN REALITY... "CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" MEANS EXACTLY THAT.... "NO GOVERNMENT.....NO GOVERNED" , "NO GOVERNED....NO GOVERNMENT"

THIS REQUIRES CITIZENSHIP OR CONSENT (2 WAY...NOT 1 WAY STREET) TO BE GOVERNED...  A FOREIGN NATIONAL WITHOUT THAT 2 WAY CONSENT IS ILLEGAL

PLEASE TAKE A READING COMPREHENSION CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST NOTICED THE CAPS....SORRY.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
You remain confused.
To Secure (natural) rights ... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Governments are created to secure (natural) rights.
You want Government to VIOLATE (natural) rights ... and then insert some nonsense about voting and map lines.
INSTEAD of securing (natural) rights, you want Government to extend and withhold permission -- which has NOTHING to do with the Declaration et al.
Regard$,
--MJ
A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum






At 04:47 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:
Hey MJ'..... It's right HERE:
That to secure these rights,
Governments are instituted among Men,,,,,,,,,,,,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Foreign nationals are not "Governed" nor can they "Vote".  Please read and heed the Documents you try to quote.




On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
At 12:26 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote:
 MJ says:  They argue that we can't have people circumventing the
system because it undermines the rule of law. But laws are legitimate
only when they protect the natural rights of others.
Laws are designed to protect the natural rights of that countries
citizens... Definitely NOT "natural rights of others."

Where was THAT portion of the Declaration?

Regard$,
--MJ

It is a very dangerous doctrine to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions. It is one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. ... The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments coequal and cosovereign within themselves. -- Thomas Jefferson to Jarvis, 1820

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