10 Big Lies Republicans Tell
The American Republican Party has taken "The Big Lie" as a political
concept to new heights of mendacity. Adolph Hitler defined the
political stratagem of "The Big Lie" in Mein Kampf:
"…in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility;
because the broad masses … more readily fall victims to the big lie
than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in
little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale
falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate
colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have
the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
Hitler's propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, used the artifice of
blaming his enemy, the British, for "The Big Lie" in order to hide his
own. He said in "From Churchill's Lie Factory," dated January 12,
1941, "The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should
lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk
of looking ridiculous."
Certainly Conservatives have accused Liberals of big lies recently so
in fairness the reader should know that I have no plans to vote for
another Republican in my lifetime. You may therefore consider the
source as you read my list of the 10 Big Lies Republicans are telling
the American people.
Big Lie #1: Lower Taxes Create Jobs. Under President George W. Bush,
businesses and wealthy Americans enjoyed the lowest taxes in a
century, and yet only 1.1 million jobs were created in that 8-year
period, as compared to 22.7 million created during President Bill
Clinton's term, before the tax reduction. Furthermore, President Bush
was credited with the loss of 1.55 million jobs in his last 3 months
in office, and that momentum carried over to the loss of 1.83 million
jobs during the first 3 months of President Obama's Administration.
Republicans must admit that President Obama was handed a collapsing
economy.
Big Lie #2: Republicans Reduce the Deficit and National Debt.
Statistics clearly show that the last Republican President to reduce
the National Debt as a percent of Gross Domestic Product ("GDP") was
Richard Nixon, not someone we usually associate with fiscal concerns.
President George W. Bush increased the National Debt from 56.4% to
84.6% of the GDP, about $6.1 Trillion in round numbers. Even though
saddled with President Bush's vastly increased debt service, President
Obama has only increased the debt by $1.7 Trillion, while faced with
saving the American economy from total collapse. Every Democrat since
Roosevelt has reduced the National Debt as a percent of GDP, while
every Republican except Eisenhower and Nixon has increased the debt.
Big Lie #3: Lower Taxes Help New Businesses Create Jobs. This is
Republican bologna of the first order. New businesses never have
taxes, because in their startup period they are spending more money
than they're earning. Furthermore, since they usually suffer losses
during a startup period of at least 2-3 years, they have "tax loss
carry forward" in later tax years. Therefore, taxes rarely enter into
any decisions relating to creating new businesses.
Big Lie #4: Social Security and Medicare Will Go Bankrupt. No they
will not, because the solution is simple. Everyone earning under
$106,800 pays Social Security tax on 100% of his or her income. If
you earn more than $106,800, you pay nothing on the amount over that
amount. This means that someone earning $1 Million per year pays less
than 1% of their income for Social Security. How is it fair to have
such regressive taxes? The wealthy take the most from our society in
the form of assets we all buy: they have roads for their trucks,
armies to defend them, and education for their employees, among many
other benefits that most of us pay for but use very sparingly.
Secondly, our population has grown more than 50% since the end of the
"Baby Boom", so while that generation is larger, the population paying
taxes to cover their benefits is also growing very fast. Republicans,
who have already arranged for less than 1% of our population to
control more than 50% of our national wealth, are just hoping to take
even more, and create a society of slaves to debt. Some would say
they have already succeeded!
Big Lie #5: Republicans Believe in "Family Values". Well, perhaps
they do, but the ones they use in politics are just diversions to keep
Americans from talking about how the wealthy are ripping off the
country and most of us. Here's their list:
a) Abortion: Prohibiting abortion will save exactly zero babies.
Before abortion became legal in the United States, about 16% of our
medical community was regularly committing felonies by performing
illegal abortions. Did criminalizing our medical community help the
nation? How about those well meaning sorority sisters with their coat
hangers? Was that better? How many places in the world can someone
go to get an abortion today? If we criminalize abortions again,
babies will not be saved, we'll go back to the bad old days, and we'll
further brutalize our society once again.
b) Gay Rights: What business is it of ours to even think about what
our neighbors do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Do you live in a
glass house? Why are we even talking about this? Do we think we will
stop the behavior by making it more difficult for our fellow
countrymen to live their lives? What are Conservative Republicans
thinking? I think they're just using the usual smoke and mirrors to
hide the fact that they are destroying our future.
c) Evolution: Conservative Republicans support fundamentalists who
want us to believe that humans were developed by "intelligent design"
5,000 years ago. They need to stop supporting militant ignorance. We
have remains of human ancestors dating back 4 million years, and we
can see back to within 500,000 years of the "Big Bang" and down to
particles smaller than atoms. Why are we militantly and ignorantly
denying science? Is this the way to make the United States of America
the envy of the world again? I recently heard a news story saying that
a fundamentalist Christian was mad at a teacher for revealing to an
11-year-old girl that the "tooth fairy" does not exist. What are they
thinking? How will children raised in those environments cope with
our steadily more complex real world?
Big Lie #6: Barack Obama Is Responsible for the "Obama Economy".
George W. Bush handed President Obama a collapsing economy caused by
the profligacy of his Wall Street supporters. As the
#OccupyWallStreet movement is beginning to show, Americans aren't
buying the Republican game any more. Most of us remember President
Bush and his cronies doling out nearly $1 Trillion in TARP (read
"stimulus" or "bailout") before they left office. The Republican
Party needs to change its obstructionist behavior to something that
makes sense for the average American, or it can forget the Presidency
for the next generation.
Big Lie #7: "Obama Care" Is Bad? Well, it's an interesting buzz word
the Republicans are using to hide the fact that before the healthcare
changes passed during the Obama Administration, there were over 40
million Americans without health insurance, and many children and
people with pre-existing conditions could not obtain health insurance
from the Republicans' insurance company allies at any cost. Of
course, the wealthy could care less about that. If you pay yourself a
$100 million bonus, you don't have to worry about health insurance.
It's just the rest of us, who do the work in their companies to make
them wealthier, who do!
Big Lie #8: Democrats Are Soft on National Defense. So far, the
Republicans are looking pretty ridiculous on this one. First they
told "The Big Lie" to get us into a war in Iraq, thereby creating
hundreds of millions of new enemies for us in the Middle East. Next
they refused to follow the Geneva Convention, thereby proving to those
new enemies that we are not the benevolent country we think and
pretend we are. And now Republican candidates are implying that they
want to get us into another war with Iran. Just great! Meanwhile,
President Obama has shown a quiet and effective methodology for
handling our foreign affairs. He's actually following a dictum
espoused by a Republican President of the early Twentieth Century,
Theodore Roosevelt, who said, "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."
It is really not necessary to have everyone think we're the policemen
of the world.
Big Lie #9: Ronald Reagan's Administration Was Good for the Economy.
Ronald Reagan's performance on our National Debt was the worst of any
President in history. During the Reagan Administration the National
Debt increased from $930 Billion to $2.68 Trillion, an increase of
2.89 times over the level it was when he took office. The National
Debt increased by 23.6% on average every year of the Reagan
Presidency.
Big Lie #10: Illegal Immigration Will Be Stopped by a Republican
President. Mitt Romney ran an "amnesty state" during his time as
Massachusetts Governor, while Rick Perry made coming to this country
more attractive by allowing illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition
at state universities. As long as we have illegal immigration, we
will have an artificial slave class in the United States, because
illegal immigrants are not protected by minimum wage statutes. All of
the evidence over the last 3-4 decades says that neither major party
will push for sensible immigration reform.
So there you have it! Ten "Big Lies" the Republicans are telling to
win the White House and control of Congress. Are we going to continue
to stand for it?
More:
http://americanmaninthemiddle.com/2011/10/31/10-big-lies-republicans-tell/
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Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Re: [WHATNOWDEBATE] Presidential Tracking Poll
Rasmussen and his father founded espn and then sold it off to Ted turner I believe for millions
Are you really as completely illiterate as you appear?
You sure put the dumb in dumb faggot
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rasmussen polls are skewed to the right wing, Rasmussen is owned by
> ESPN.
>
> It is like asking Fox News viewers if they are voting Republican, or
> not!
>
> Not fair and balanced at all.
>
> Are you really that ignorant, Brucie Girl?
>
> On Apr 25, 1:27 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ----------
>>
>> Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
>>
>> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows
>> Mitt Romney earning 49% of the vote, while President Obama attracts support
>> from 44%. Three percent (3%) would vote for a third party candidate, while
>> another four percent (4%) are undecided.
>>
>> Read the whole and very interesting poll here.
>>
>> http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administr...
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Are you really as completely illiterate as you appear?
You sure put the dumb in dumb faggot
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rasmussen polls are skewed to the right wing, Rasmussen is owned by
> ESPN.
>
> It is like asking Fox News viewers if they are voting Republican, or
> not!
>
> Not fair and balanced at all.
>
> Are you really that ignorant, Brucie Girl?
>
> On Apr 25, 1:27 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ----------
>>
>> Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
>>
>> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows
>> Mitt Romney earning 49% of the vote, while President Obama attracts support
>> from 44%. Three percent (3%) would vote for a third party candidate, while
>> another four percent (4%) are undecided.
>>
>> Read the whole and very interesting poll here.
>>
>> http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administr...
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Re: From Tammy Baldwin: Tea Party ground game
PFFFT!
Try it, Buster!
On Apr 25, 12:54 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy,
>
> If you keep insisting that anyone on the board is a liar or that proffered
> information is also a lie without backing it up and entering into a real
> debate on the issue and documenting your claims you will go back to
> moderation....
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Liar, Liar, Annointed None Pants on Fire!
>
> > On Apr 25, 11:22 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > One of the dues paying members of the American Socialist Party and a
> > > member of the "Congressional Progressive Caucus" (a communist group
> > > that was renamed some years ago)
>
> > > Just what the Dems need... a committed Communist/Socialist in the
> > > Senate.
>
> > > On Apr 25, 10:06 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tea Party ground game
>
> > > > The Tea Party infrastructure that helped to elect Gov. Scott Walker
> > > > in 2010 continues to come to Walker's defense in his recall election.
> > > > That same bunch will be out in full force for my opponent this fall.
>
> > > > And whomever my opponent winds up being, we know he'll be propped up
> > > > by right-wing Super PACs who want nothing more than to buy this Senate
> > > > seat with negative ads funded by secret donations from the super-rich
> > > > and huge corporations.
>
> > > > The extreme right in Washington and Wisconsin are organizing for a
> > > > showdown this fall. And so are we.
>
> > > > Can you join us with an immediate contribution today?
>
> > > >https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425
>
> > > > We've started organizing, but I'm not going to mince my words: we've
> > > > got a long, tough fight ahead. Our challenge rests in getting our
> > > > message out over all the noise. We've already started assembling the
> > > > ground team. We're reaching new audiences every day, but to keep
> > > > growing we need your support.
>
> > > > Join our grassroots campaign as a critical early supporter. Click here
> > > > to donate and help us prepare our ground game.
>
> > > > In my life, there have been plenty of times where the pundits have
> > > > doubted the progressive movement. They doubted whether I could win my
> > > > first campaign for Congress. They cast aside our ability to come
> > > > together. But we blew them away with a million signatures. And now,
> > > > we're going to set a new standard.
>
> > > > All the polling shows our race is a toss-up but we can't afford to
> > > > leave the outcome in doubt. We're gearing up and building the campaign
> > > > that can take on Walker's army -- and win.
>
> > > > Let's go!
>
> > > > -Tammy
>
> > > > https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425
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> > > > Have a great day,
> > > > Tommy
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Try it, Buster!
On Apr 25, 12:54 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy,
>
> If you keep insisting that anyone on the board is a liar or that proffered
> information is also a lie without backing it up and entering into a real
> debate on the issue and documenting your claims you will go back to
> moderation....
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Liar, Liar, Annointed None Pants on Fire!
>
> > On Apr 25, 11:22 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > One of the dues paying members of the American Socialist Party and a
> > > member of the "Congressional Progressive Caucus" (a communist group
> > > that was renamed some years ago)
>
> > > Just what the Dems need... a committed Communist/Socialist in the
> > > Senate.
>
> > > On Apr 25, 10:06 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tea Party ground game
>
> > > > The Tea Party infrastructure that helped to elect Gov. Scott Walker
> > > > in 2010 continues to come to Walker's defense in his recall election.
> > > > That same bunch will be out in full force for my opponent this fall.
>
> > > > And whomever my opponent winds up being, we know he'll be propped up
> > > > by right-wing Super PACs who want nothing more than to buy this Senate
> > > > seat with negative ads funded by secret donations from the super-rich
> > > > and huge corporations.
>
> > > > The extreme right in Washington and Wisconsin are organizing for a
> > > > showdown this fall. And so are we.
>
> > > > Can you join us with an immediate contribution today?
>
> > > >https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425
>
> > > > We've started organizing, but I'm not going to mince my words: we've
> > > > got a long, tough fight ahead. Our challenge rests in getting our
> > > > message out over all the noise. We've already started assembling the
> > > > ground team. We're reaching new audiences every day, but to keep
> > > > growing we need your support.
>
> > > > Join our grassroots campaign as a critical early supporter. Click here
> > > > to donate and help us prepare our ground game.
>
> > > > In my life, there have been plenty of times where the pundits have
> > > > doubted the progressive movement. They doubted whether I could win my
> > > > first campaign for Congress. They cast aside our ability to come
> > > > together. But we blew them away with a million signatures. And now,
> > > > we're going to set a new standard.
>
> > > > All the polling shows our race is a toss-up but we can't afford to
> > > > leave the outcome in doubt. We're gearing up and building the campaign
> > > > that can take on Walker's army -- and win.
>
> > > > Let's go!
>
> > > > -Tammy
>
> > > > https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425
>
> > > > --
> > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > Have a great day,
> > > > Tommy
>
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Re: Fwd: [WHATNOWDEBATE] Presidential Tracking Poll
Rasmussen polls are skewed to the right wing, Rasmussen is owned by
ESPN.
It is like asking Fox News viewers if they are voting Republican, or
not!
Not fair and balanced at all.
Are you really that ignorant, Brucie Girl?
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> Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
>
> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows
> Mitt Romney earning 49% of the vote, while President Obama attracts support
> from 44%. Three percent (3%) would vote for a third party candidate, while
> another four percent (4%) are undecided.
>
> Read the whole and very interesting poll here.
>
> http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administr...
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ESPN.
It is like asking Fox News viewers if they are voting Republican, or
not!
Not fair and balanced at all.
Are you really that ignorant, Brucie Girl?
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> Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
>
> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows
> Mitt Romney earning 49% of the vote, while President Obama attracts support
> from 44%. Three percent (3%) would vote for a third party candidate, while
> another four percent (4%) are undecided.
>
> Read the whole and very interesting poll here.
>
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Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney earning 49% of the vote, while President Obama attracts support from 44%. Three percent (3%) would vote for a third party candidate, while another four percent (4%) are undecided.
Read the whole and very interesting poll here.
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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Amazing Romney News
From Andy Borowitz
Warning: Strong language
NEW 2012 POLL:
Majority of Republicans Guess They Have to Support Fucking Romney
Lack of Other Option Cited
NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – In what Romney campaign insiders are
hailing as a sign that the party faithful are rallying around the
former Massachusetts governor, a new poll released today shows that a
majority of Republican voters agree with the statement, "I guess I
have to support fucking Romney."
When asked why they were now ready to cast their vote for Mr. Romney,
a majority of those Republicans polled "strongly agreed" with the
statement, "Why do you think? No one else is fucking running anymore.
Stop asking such stupid fucking questions. I don't need this shit."
Underscoring the sense that he is now the presumptive nominee, the
Romney campaign unveiled a new slogan this morning, "You Have No Other
Options Anymore. Start Dealing With It, Losers."
After sweeping five primary states Tuesday night, Mr. Romney was
exultant, telling supporters in Manchester, N.H., "I love American
democracy. I'm good friends with the owners of it."
The wins by Mr. Romney forced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to
suspend his campaign, telling reporters that he was leaving the race
"to spend more time with my families."
As for former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, he offered Mr.
Romney this endorsement during an appearance on CNN: "Yeah, I guess I
support him, because, well duh, I have absolutely no other choice.
Right? I mean, really, Piers, what kind of moronic question is that?
I guess this goes to show that you can be a total douchebag and still
win the nomination if you have the most dough. I mean come on -- this
whole situation makes me want to throw up. My only consolation is
that on Judgment Day I'm going to Heaven, and we'll have to see what
happens to Mr. Magic Underpants. Haha. Yeah. Sweet."
More:
Borowitzreport.com
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NEW 2012 POLL:
Majority of Republicans Guess They Have to Support Fucking Romney
Lack of Other Option Cited
NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – In what Romney campaign insiders are
hailing as a sign that the party faithful are rallying around the
former Massachusetts governor, a new poll released today shows that a
majority of Republican voters agree with the statement, "I guess I
have to support fucking Romney."
When asked why they were now ready to cast their vote for Mr. Romney,
a majority of those Republicans polled "strongly agreed" with the
statement, "Why do you think? No one else is fucking running anymore.
Stop asking such stupid fucking questions. I don't need this shit."
Underscoring the sense that he is now the presumptive nominee, the
Romney campaign unveiled a new slogan this morning, "You Have No Other
Options Anymore. Start Dealing With It, Losers."
After sweeping five primary states Tuesday night, Mr. Romney was
exultant, telling supporters in Manchester, N.H., "I love American
democracy. I'm good friends with the owners of it."
The wins by Mr. Romney forced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to
suspend his campaign, telling reporters that he was leaving the race
"to spend more time with my families."
As for former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, he offered Mr.
Romney this endorsement during an appearance on CNN: "Yeah, I guess I
support him, because, well duh, I have absolutely no other choice.
Right? I mean, really, Piers, what kind of moronic question is that?
I guess this goes to show that you can be a total douchebag and still
win the nomination if you have the most dough. I mean come on -- this
whole situation makes me want to throw up. My only consolation is
that on Judgment Day I'm going to Heaven, and we'll have to see what
happens to Mr. Magic Underpants. Haha. Yeah. Sweet."
More:
Borowitzreport.com
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Re: A Little History Lesson
No one is in a rush to attack Iran, or North Korea, or any place
that I can
think
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBc2HyJVIao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHcXRA2FgAw&feature=channel&list=UL
On Apr 25, 10:05 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Morning Michael!
>
> My apologies for not expounding more on your post yesterday, but alas, I
> still have to work from time to time and on occasion, and I ran out of time
> on this board, (which isn't unusual!)
>
> A couple of points:
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> *As we have seen -- rhetoric aside -- is an Obama administration that
> merely picked up when the Bush administration left off ... picking up where
> Mr. Bill had left off ... Socialist A and Socialist B. The Rs hail and
> cheer Socialist A while the Ds despise him ... similarly, the Ds hail and
> cheer Socialist B while the Rs despise him. All the while America gets
> further fucked.*
> * *
> * *
> *What is it you imagine a Romney (who will not win) will do DIFFERENTLY?
> You do realize that his Foreign Policy Advisors (for example) are ALL
> retreads from Bush II? What type of revelations do you suppose these guys
> have had?*
>
> =====
>
> First, I am not sure who it is that you are referencing that is from the
> Bush Camp that are now Romney's Foreign Advisors. Having said that, I
> think most every conservative realizes that, "Nation Building" don't
> work.
>
> I also don't believe that any Presidential Administration is going to be in
> any rush to engage the United States in any combative/engaged, "Boots On
> The Ground" military role that is not literally requisite for our National
> Defense, nor do I believe that any Presidential Administration for the
> next couple of decades is going to be able to afford it.
>
> In another thread, back several months ago, a similar discussion came up
> between PlainOl and I, and I for one am not hearing the same "saber
> rattling" (maybe with the exception of Santorum) that I concluded a lot
> of Ron Paul supporters were hearing, during the Republican debates. No
> one is in a rush to attack Iran, or North Korea, or any place that I can
> think, of world "Hot Spots" right now.
>
> I mentioned yesterday that Ron Paul is a consumate politician. He has
> done some things that are counter to his message, for instance, voting
> "Nay" on spending bills when he knew the bill would pass, in order to
> protect his record, but nevertheless loading the bill up with pork for his
> Congressional District. By example:
>
> *Paul made over **$157 million in earmark requests for FY
> 2011*<http://www.americanindependent.com/160697/ron-paul-one-of-only-four-h...>
> *, one of only four House Republicans to request any earmarks.
> Additionally, he made over $398 million in earmark requests for FY 2010,
> again one of the leading Republican House members. These earmark requests
> include:*
> * *
>
> * *
> - *$8 million from federal taxpayers for Recreational Fishing Piers.** *
> - *$2.5 million from taxpayers for "new benches, trash receptacles, bike
> racks, decorative street lighting."** *
> - *$2.5 million from taxpayers to modify medians and sidewalks for an
> "Economically Disadvantaged" area.** *
> - *$2.5 million from federal taxpayers for a "Revelation Missionary
> Baptist Community Outreach Center."** *
> - *$38 million in multiple requests for literacy programs to "encourage
> parents to read aloud to their children."** *
> - *$18 million from federal taxpayers for a Commuter Rail Preliminary
> Engineering Phase (light rail).** *
> - *$4 million from federal taxpayers for the "Trails and Sidewalks
> Connectivity Initiative."** *
> - *$11 million from federal taxpayers for a "Community-Based Job
> Training Program."** *
> - *$2 million from federal taxpayers for a "Clean Energy" pilot project.*
> * *
> - *$5 million from federal taxpayers in order to build a parking garage.*
> * *
> - *$1.2 million for a "Low-income working families Day Care Program"** *
> - *$4.5 million from federal taxpayers for a new Youth Fair facility.*
>
> * *
>
> *All of the above earmarks can be found on **Paul's own congressional
> website*<http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10...>
> *. While Paul does not digitize the requests prior to FY 2011, they're
> still available as PDFs. Paul typically will make the earmark request, but
> then votes against or abstains from voting on final passage, so he can
> maintain his claim to have "never voted for an earmark", even the earmark
> requests he himself made. **He defends the practice
> here.*<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTyHbGcUQY>
>
> http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Ron-Paul-s-Earmarks
>
> *While representing himself for decades as the sworn enemy of overspending,
> the good doctor has had his snout deep in the earmark trough. In 2007, the
> Wall Street Journal
> **reported*<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118636043871288806.html?mod=yahoo_itp>
> *, "The Congressman disclosed his requests this year for about $400 million
> worth of federal funding for no fewer than 65 earmarks. They include such
> urgent national wartime priorities as an $8 million request for the
> marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to fund shrimp-fishing
> research." And this is the man who had the effrontery to berate Ronald
> Reagan for deficit spending.*
>
> http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/13/the-hypocrisy-of-ron-paul
>
> Don't get me wrong, as I have long held and espoused, I find Dr. Paul a
> "Breath of Fresh Air" in the Republican Party, and I think he has done a
> world of good. I have also long held that Dr. Paul would be an excellent
> Sectretary of the Treasury, and I am not sure that this is not already
> pegged, what with the Romney campaign and the Paul campaign working
> hand-in-hand during the Republican Primaries:
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/24/news/la-pn-ron-paul-mitt-romn...
>
> http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-what-is-romney-promising-ron-...
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-theorizes-that-mitt-romn...
>
> I think it's important to "re-emphasize" that Congressman Paul has made
> his intentions well known for the last 120 days. That is to say, that he
> wants a prime time slot during the Republican Convention here in Tampa,
> and would like to influence the Republican Party Platform. No doubt, many
> of the conservatives who were running, most identifiable was Newt
> Gingrich, pretty much adopted most ALL of Paul's fiscal and economic
> policies. Gingrich has even gone so far as to re-think his objection to
> the U.S. going back to the Gold Standard. I was one who didn't believe
> that this was possible in the New Millennium, but I too have changed my
> opinion on this aspect, now knowing that China is attempting to do the same
> thing.
>
> Just as important, Ron Paul has blazed a trail for his son, Senator Rand
> Paul from Tennessee. No question, Rand Paul is the darling of the
> "conservative/Tea Party" movement, and I think more identifiable with
> conservative principals and tenets than Marco Rubio.
>
> =============
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> *Let's see a LIST of these so-called 'untruthful' statements-- not merely
> some veiled generalities.
> Please DEFINE 'conservative' so we might have a basis upon which tomeasure.*
>
> ======
>
> Okay:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=player_embedded
>
> Most everything in this video is prevaricate and misleading. If you want
> me to break it down for you, I will in another thread.
>
> http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/13/the-hypocrisy-of-ron-paul
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/ron-pauls-misle...
>
> http://www.westernjournalism.com/is-ron-pauls-what-if-china-had-bases...
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-decries-u-s-adventurism-call...
>
> http://zbigniewmazurak.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/ron-pauls-lies-about-...
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2856439/posts
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-ty6F63g8
>
> http://stuffedsuits.com/component/content/article/68-presidential-cam...
>
> (I could go on and on and on......)
>
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > With all due respect, to suggest that there is no difference between the
> > Republican Party and the Democrat Party, or that there is no difference
> > between President Obama and Ron Paul, or President Obama and Mitt Romney,
> > or President Obama and Newt Gingrich is asinine, but yet you continue to
> > expound upon this theory day in and day out.
>
> > I realize that the Rs TALK about being FOR A, B, C, D and E and AGAINST F,
> > G, H, I and J while the Ds TALK about being AGAINST A, B, C, D and E and
> > FOR F, G, H, I and J but with the exception of the RARE (temporary) bone
> > that is thrown, they work in concert to further the FASCISM that is endemic
> > in America. All these 'show issues' are put back in the closet until the
> > NEXT election cycle beckons for them. This 'trend' goes back PAST Roosevelt
> > and his embrace ...
>
> > As we have seen -- rhetoric aside -- is an Obama administration that
> > merely picked up when the Bush administration left off ... picking up where
> > Mr. Bill had left off ... Socialist A and Socialist B. The Rs hail and
> > cheer Socialist A while the Ds despise him ... similarly, the Ds hail and
> > cheer Socialist B while the Rs despise him. All the while America gets
> > further fucked.
>
> > What is it you imagine a Romney (who will not win) will do DIFFERENTLY?
> > You do realize that his Foreign Policy Advisors (for example) are ALL
> > retreads from Bush II? What type of revelations do you suppose these guys
> > have had?
>
> > I made no claims that Ron Paul -- who, unlike MOST, has a long track
> > record to support his rhetoric -- was the same as Obama.
>
> > During the Republican primaries, both Paul's and Romney's campaigns
> > broadcast prevaricate, outright untruthful statements against ALL other
> > candidates, ALL of which were
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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that I can
think
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBc2HyJVIao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHcXRA2FgAw&feature=channel&list=UL
On Apr 25, 10:05 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Morning Michael!
>
> My apologies for not expounding more on your post yesterday, but alas, I
> still have to work from time to time and on occasion, and I ran out of time
> on this board, (which isn't unusual!)
>
> A couple of points:
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> *As we have seen -- rhetoric aside -- is an Obama administration that
> merely picked up when the Bush administration left off ... picking up where
> Mr. Bill had left off ... Socialist A and Socialist B. The Rs hail and
> cheer Socialist A while the Ds despise him ... similarly, the Ds hail and
> cheer Socialist B while the Rs despise him. All the while America gets
> further fucked.*
> * *
> * *
> *What is it you imagine a Romney (who will not win) will do DIFFERENTLY?
> You do realize that his Foreign Policy Advisors (for example) are ALL
> retreads from Bush II? What type of revelations do you suppose these guys
> have had?*
>
> =====
>
> First, I am not sure who it is that you are referencing that is from the
> Bush Camp that are now Romney's Foreign Advisors. Having said that, I
> think most every conservative realizes that, "Nation Building" don't
> work.
>
> I also don't believe that any Presidential Administration is going to be in
> any rush to engage the United States in any combative/engaged, "Boots On
> The Ground" military role that is not literally requisite for our National
> Defense, nor do I believe that any Presidential Administration for the
> next couple of decades is going to be able to afford it.
>
> In another thread, back several months ago, a similar discussion came up
> between PlainOl and I, and I for one am not hearing the same "saber
> rattling" (maybe with the exception of Santorum) that I concluded a lot
> of Ron Paul supporters were hearing, during the Republican debates. No
> one is in a rush to attack Iran, or North Korea, or any place that I can
> think, of world "Hot Spots" right now.
>
> I mentioned yesterday that Ron Paul is a consumate politician. He has
> done some things that are counter to his message, for instance, voting
> "Nay" on spending bills when he knew the bill would pass, in order to
> protect his record, but nevertheless loading the bill up with pork for his
> Congressional District. By example:
>
> *Paul made over **$157 million in earmark requests for FY
> 2011*<http://www.americanindependent.com/160697/ron-paul-one-of-only-four-h...>
> *, one of only four House Republicans to request any earmarks.
> Additionally, he made over $398 million in earmark requests for FY 2010,
> again one of the leading Republican House members. These earmark requests
> include:*
> * *
>
> * *
> - *$8 million from federal taxpayers for Recreational Fishing Piers.** *
> - *$2.5 million from taxpayers for "new benches, trash receptacles, bike
> racks, decorative street lighting."** *
> - *$2.5 million from taxpayers to modify medians and sidewalks for an
> "Economically Disadvantaged" area.** *
> - *$2.5 million from federal taxpayers for a "Revelation Missionary
> Baptist Community Outreach Center."** *
> - *$38 million in multiple requests for literacy programs to "encourage
> parents to read aloud to their children."** *
> - *$18 million from federal taxpayers for a Commuter Rail Preliminary
> Engineering Phase (light rail).** *
> - *$4 million from federal taxpayers for the "Trails and Sidewalks
> Connectivity Initiative."** *
> - *$11 million from federal taxpayers for a "Community-Based Job
> Training Program."** *
> - *$2 million from federal taxpayers for a "Clean Energy" pilot project.*
> * *
> - *$5 million from federal taxpayers in order to build a parking garage.*
> * *
> - *$1.2 million for a "Low-income working families Day Care Program"** *
> - *$4.5 million from federal taxpayers for a new Youth Fair facility.*
>
> * *
>
> *All of the above earmarks can be found on **Paul's own congressional
> website*<http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10...>
> *. While Paul does not digitize the requests prior to FY 2011, they're
> still available as PDFs. Paul typically will make the earmark request, but
> then votes against or abstains from voting on final passage, so he can
> maintain his claim to have "never voted for an earmark", even the earmark
> requests he himself made. **He defends the practice
> here.*<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTyHbGcUQY>
>
> http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Ron-Paul-s-Earmarks
>
> *While representing himself for decades as the sworn enemy of overspending,
> the good doctor has had his snout deep in the earmark trough. In 2007, the
> Wall Street Journal
> **reported*<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118636043871288806.html?mod=yahoo_itp>
> *, "The Congressman disclosed his requests this year for about $400 million
> worth of federal funding for no fewer than 65 earmarks. They include such
> urgent national wartime priorities as an $8 million request for the
> marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to fund shrimp-fishing
> research." And this is the man who had the effrontery to berate Ronald
> Reagan for deficit spending.*
>
> http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/13/the-hypocrisy-of-ron-paul
>
> Don't get me wrong, as I have long held and espoused, I find Dr. Paul a
> "Breath of Fresh Air" in the Republican Party, and I think he has done a
> world of good. I have also long held that Dr. Paul would be an excellent
> Sectretary of the Treasury, and I am not sure that this is not already
> pegged, what with the Romney campaign and the Paul campaign working
> hand-in-hand during the Republican Primaries:
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/24/news/la-pn-ron-paul-mitt-romn...
>
> http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-what-is-romney-promising-ron-...
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-theorizes-that-mitt-romn...
>
> I think it's important to "re-emphasize" that Congressman Paul has made
> his intentions well known for the last 120 days. That is to say, that he
> wants a prime time slot during the Republican Convention here in Tampa,
> and would like to influence the Republican Party Platform. No doubt, many
> of the conservatives who were running, most identifiable was Newt
> Gingrich, pretty much adopted most ALL of Paul's fiscal and economic
> policies. Gingrich has even gone so far as to re-think his objection to
> the U.S. going back to the Gold Standard. I was one who didn't believe
> that this was possible in the New Millennium, but I too have changed my
> opinion on this aspect, now knowing that China is attempting to do the same
> thing.
>
> Just as important, Ron Paul has blazed a trail for his son, Senator Rand
> Paul from Tennessee. No question, Rand Paul is the darling of the
> "conservative/Tea Party" movement, and I think more identifiable with
> conservative principals and tenets than Marco Rubio.
>
> =============
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> *Let's see a LIST of these so-called 'untruthful' statements-- not merely
> some veiled generalities.
> Please DEFINE 'conservative' so we might have a basis upon which tomeasure.*
>
> ======
>
> Okay:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=player_embedded
>
> Most everything in this video is prevaricate and misleading. If you want
> me to break it down for you, I will in another thread.
>
> http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/13/the-hypocrisy-of-ron-paul
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/ron-pauls-misle...
>
> http://www.westernjournalism.com/is-ron-pauls-what-if-china-had-bases...
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-decries-u-s-adventurism-call...
>
> http://zbigniewmazurak.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/ron-pauls-lies-about-...
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2856439/posts
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-ty6F63g8
>
> http://stuffedsuits.com/component/content/article/68-presidential-cam...
>
> (I could go on and on and on......)
>
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > With all due respect, to suggest that there is no difference between the
> > Republican Party and the Democrat Party, or that there is no difference
> > between President Obama and Ron Paul, or President Obama and Mitt Romney,
> > or President Obama and Newt Gingrich is asinine, but yet you continue to
> > expound upon this theory day in and day out.
>
> > I realize that the Rs TALK about being FOR A, B, C, D and E and AGAINST F,
> > G, H, I and J while the Ds TALK about being AGAINST A, B, C, D and E and
> > FOR F, G, H, I and J but with the exception of the RARE (temporary) bone
> > that is thrown, they work in concert to further the FASCISM that is endemic
> > in America. All these 'show issues' are put back in the closet until the
> > NEXT election cycle beckons for them. This 'trend' goes back PAST Roosevelt
> > and his embrace ...
>
> > As we have seen -- rhetoric aside -- is an Obama administration that
> > merely picked up when the Bush administration left off ... picking up where
> > Mr. Bill had left off ... Socialist A and Socialist B. The Rs hail and
> > cheer Socialist A while the Ds despise him ... similarly, the Ds hail and
> > cheer Socialist B while the Rs despise him. All the while America gets
> > further fucked.
>
> > What is it you imagine a Romney (who will not win) will do DIFFERENTLY?
> > You do realize that his Foreign Policy Advisors (for example) are ALL
> > retreads from Bush II? What type of revelations do you suppose these guys
> > have had?
>
> > I made no claims that Ron Paul -- who, unlike MOST, has a long track
> > record to support his rhetoric -- was the same as Obama.
>
> > During the Republican primaries, both Paul's and Romney's campaigns
> > broadcast prevaricate, outright untruthful statements against ALL other
> > candidates, ALL of which were
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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Re: The Right to Refuse Service
minorities will never stop screaming racism regardless of new laws or
rulings on old laws
On Apr 25, 12:40 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "Discrimination is neither not OK nor something not to continue. Every individual and business owner should have the right to refuse service. In a free society, every individual and business owner would have the right to refuse service. It is part and parcel of the inviolability of private property, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of association, the freedom of contract, free enterprise, and the free market."The Right to Refuse ServicebyLaurence M. Vance, April 25, 2012
> Back in 1994, the restaurant chain Denny s settled a class-action racial-discrimination lawsuit for $54.4 million. Although the restaurant is known for always being open and serving breakfast, lunch, and dinner at any time, day or night, black patrons alleged that they had been refused service, forced to wait longer than white customers, charged more than white customers, and asked to prepay for service.
> The agreement resulted fromseparate lawsuitsfiled in California and Maryland that were then expanded to include claimants in 48 other states. In California, a black girl alleged that she had been refused the restaurant s customary free birthday meal. In Maryland, six black U.S. Secret Service agents alleged that they had been forced to wait an hour for service while white customers were served ahead of them.
> In a strange twist of fate, Denny s restaurant parent company, Advantica, was chosen by Fortune magazine in 2001 as the Best Company for Minorities.More recently, Hands On Originals, a T shirt company in Lexington, Kentucky, was picketed by Lexington s Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO) for refusing to produce T shirts for the city s gay pride festival to be held on June 30. The design featured a number 5 on the front, with Lexington Pride Festival and the names of the event s sponsors appearing on the back.
> Although the firm bid on producing the T shirts, the owners declined to fill the order after they had been selected. The owners, who were not initially aware that they were bidding on a gay-themed T shirt, explained to the GLSO that, as a Christian organization, producing the T shirts would be against their conscience. The owners did locate another T shirt business for GLSO that would honor their low bid.
> Nevertheless, the GLSOfileda public-accommodation discrimination complaint with the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission, alleging,On or about March 8, 2012, members of the GLSO were told that our Pride Festival t shirt printing quote would not be honored due to the fact that the t shirt company is a Christian organization. We were told that our t shirts would not be printed. We believe that we have been discriminated against in violation of Local Ordinance 201-99, based on sexual orientation.Last month, an organized demonstration with picketing by about 60 homosexual activists in front of Hands On Originals encouraged the public to boycott the business. The Lexington school district has already stopped purchasing merchandise from the company.
> One of GLSO s officers who attended the demonstration, Aaron Baker, stated, Ultimately the owners of Hands On Originals need to recognize that discrimination is not OK and need to make a commitment not to continue that. But he also said that Hands on Originals does a lot of business in this town, and people should be aware of the situation, so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to buy from them.
> Baker is wrong, but he is also right.
> Discrimination is neither not OK nor something not to continue. Every individual and business owner should have the right to refuse service. In a free society, every individual and business owner would have the right to refuse service. It is part and parcel of the inviolability of private property, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of association, the freedom of contract, free enterprise, and the free market. In a free society, as Future of Freedom Foundation presidentJacob Hornbergermaintains,A person has the fundamental right to associate with anyone he chooses and on any basis he chooses. He might be the biggest bigot in the world, choosing only to associate with white supremacists, but that s what freedom is all about -- the right to make whatever choices one wants in his life, so long as his conduct is peaceful -- i.e., no murder, rape, theft, fraud, or other violent assaults against others.In a free society, business owners, like homeowners, would have the right to run their businesses as they choose, including the right to refuse service. And that s not all. In a free society, business owners would have the right to discriminate in their place of business on the basis of race, creed, color, religion, age, gender, height, weight, disability, attire, familial status, marital status, socioeconomic status, political preference, religious piety, national origin, appearance, odor, sexual orientation, or anything else, whether logical or illogical, reasonable or unreasonable, rational or irrational. It couldn t be any other way and really be a free society.
> As it is now, although it is unlawful to refuse to serve certain classes of people, it is not unlawful to give senior citizen discounts (discrimination based on age) or free meals to groups such as children, people celebrating birthdays, and police officers even though doing so discriminates against adults, people not celebrating birthdays, and all occupations besides police officers.
> Clearly, there is much confusion about discrimination in our relatively free (as opposed to absolutely free) society overseen by regulators, bureaucrats, and judges -- authoritarians, statists, and busybodies who seek to use the force of government to compel others to associate or do business with people they don t want to. Currently, if the patron of a business or organization is not a member of a federally protected class, the legal right to refuse service generally depends on whether the refusal was arbitrary or whether there was a specific interest in refusing a patron service. That leaves everything up to the whim of government regulators, bureaucrats, and judges.
> Lest there be any misunderstanding, I should say that a free society has nothing in common with the Jim Crow era. Jim Crow regulations, which prohibited white businessmen from serving black customers, were maintained by government force. They were the antithesis of the voluntary association found in a free society. And not only did they harm blacks, they denied the fundamental right of whites to associate and conduct business with them as they saw fit.
> The basis of GLSO s public-accommodation discrimination complaint is the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Listed among the goals in the preamble of the Civil Rights Act is, in addition to enforcing the constitutional right to vote, preventing discrimination in federally assisted programs, and authorizing the Attorney General to institute suits to protect constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, the government s intent to provide injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations.
> The government is using the word public in two different senses. As Title II, Injunctive Relief against Discrimination in Places of Public Accommodation, section 201 states,(a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.But there is a big difference between the government s protecting constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, and the government s providing injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations. The former is a legitimate purpose of government; the latter is an illegitimate purpose. One protects rights; the other violates rights. The first ensures that the government grants the public equal access and equal opportunity to what is public; the second dictates how a private business should operate
> The GLSO s Aaron Baker is right about one thing. People should be aware of the practices of any business so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to buy from them.
> In a free society, it is not just businesses that have the right to refuse service; customers have the right to investigate the practices of any place of business and boycott or give bad publicity to any business establishment that doesn t meet their standards. Discrimination is a two-edged sword. It could function as a death knell for any business because of boycotts, bad publicity, or too narrow a market to make a profit. But in a free society, the practice of discrimination must be an option for buyers and sellers.
> Although conservatives may sound like libertarians when they talk about freedom, property rights, and limited government, they usually fall short of advocating a truly free society.
> Typical is Richard Garnett, professor of law and associate dean at Notre Dame Law School. In his recent Public Discourse articleConfusion About Discrimination, he shows that it is conservatives who are confused about discrimination:We believe that discrimination is wrong. And, because discrimination is wrong, we believe that governments such as ours -- secular, liberal, constitutional governments -- should take steps to prevent, discourage, and denounce it. We are right to believe these things. The proposition that it is not only true, but self-evidently true, that all human persons are created equal is foundational for us. The principle of equal citizenship holds near-universal appeal, even though we often disagree about that principle s particular applications.At the same time, it is not true that discrimination is always or necessarily wrong. Nor is it the case that governments always or necessarily should or may regulate or discourage it -- say, through its expression and spending -- even when it is wrong. Discrimination, after all, is just another word for decision-making, for choosing and acting in accord with or with reference to particular criteria. We do and should discriminate -- we draw lines, identify limits, make judgments, act on the basis of preferences -- all the time.What Garnett really means is that wrongful discrimination is wrong. It is this that governments should oppose, but only when it makes sense, all things considered, and when it is within their constitutionally and morally limited powers, to do so because we do not believe that governments should or may prevent, correct, or even discourage every instance of wrongful discrimination. Some acts of wrongful discrimination are beyond the authorized reach of government policy, some are too difficult or costly to identify, let alone regulate, and others are none of the government s business.
> Many liberals could agree with exactly what the conservative Garnett is saying, but then both would argue endlessly about whether this case of discrimination is wrong and whether that case of wrongful discrimination should be corrected by government action.
> Libertarians, on the other hand, would argue correctly and consistently that, by their very nature, the rights of private property, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, free enterprise, and freedom of contract include the right to refuse service and otherwise discriminate -- for any reason.http://www.fff.org/comment/com1204q.asp
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On Apr 25, 12:40 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "Discrimination is neither not OK nor something not to continue. Every individual and business owner should have the right to refuse service. In a free society, every individual and business owner would have the right to refuse service. It is part and parcel of the inviolability of private property, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of association, the freedom of contract, free enterprise, and the free market."The Right to Refuse ServicebyLaurence M. Vance, April 25, 2012
> Back in 1994, the restaurant chain Denny s settled a class-action racial-discrimination lawsuit for $54.4 million. Although the restaurant is known for always being open and serving breakfast, lunch, and dinner at any time, day or night, black patrons alleged that they had been refused service, forced to wait longer than white customers, charged more than white customers, and asked to prepay for service.
> The agreement resulted fromseparate lawsuitsfiled in California and Maryland that were then expanded to include claimants in 48 other states. In California, a black girl alleged that she had been refused the restaurant s customary free birthday meal. In Maryland, six black U.S. Secret Service agents alleged that they had been forced to wait an hour for service while white customers were served ahead of them.
> In a strange twist of fate, Denny s restaurant parent company, Advantica, was chosen by Fortune magazine in 2001 as the Best Company for Minorities.More recently, Hands On Originals, a T shirt company in Lexington, Kentucky, was picketed by Lexington s Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO) for refusing to produce T shirts for the city s gay pride festival to be held on June 30. The design featured a number 5 on the front, with Lexington Pride Festival and the names of the event s sponsors appearing on the back.
> Although the firm bid on producing the T shirts, the owners declined to fill the order after they had been selected. The owners, who were not initially aware that they were bidding on a gay-themed T shirt, explained to the GLSO that, as a Christian organization, producing the T shirts would be against their conscience. The owners did locate another T shirt business for GLSO that would honor their low bid.
> Nevertheless, the GLSOfileda public-accommodation discrimination complaint with the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission, alleging,On or about March 8, 2012, members of the GLSO were told that our Pride Festival t shirt printing quote would not be honored due to the fact that the t shirt company is a Christian organization. We were told that our t shirts would not be printed. We believe that we have been discriminated against in violation of Local Ordinance 201-99, based on sexual orientation.Last month, an organized demonstration with picketing by about 60 homosexual activists in front of Hands On Originals encouraged the public to boycott the business. The Lexington school district has already stopped purchasing merchandise from the company.
> One of GLSO s officers who attended the demonstration, Aaron Baker, stated, Ultimately the owners of Hands On Originals need to recognize that discrimination is not OK and need to make a commitment not to continue that. But he also said that Hands on Originals does a lot of business in this town, and people should be aware of the situation, so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to buy from them.
> Baker is wrong, but he is also right.
> Discrimination is neither not OK nor something not to continue. Every individual and business owner should have the right to refuse service. In a free society, every individual and business owner would have the right to refuse service. It is part and parcel of the inviolability of private property, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of association, the freedom of contract, free enterprise, and the free market. In a free society, as Future of Freedom Foundation presidentJacob Hornbergermaintains,A person has the fundamental right to associate with anyone he chooses and on any basis he chooses. He might be the biggest bigot in the world, choosing only to associate with white supremacists, but that s what freedom is all about -- the right to make whatever choices one wants in his life, so long as his conduct is peaceful -- i.e., no murder, rape, theft, fraud, or other violent assaults against others.In a free society, business owners, like homeowners, would have the right to run their businesses as they choose, including the right to refuse service. And that s not all. In a free society, business owners would have the right to discriminate in their place of business on the basis of race, creed, color, religion, age, gender, height, weight, disability, attire, familial status, marital status, socioeconomic status, political preference, religious piety, national origin, appearance, odor, sexual orientation, or anything else, whether logical or illogical, reasonable or unreasonable, rational or irrational. It couldn t be any other way and really be a free society.
> As it is now, although it is unlawful to refuse to serve certain classes of people, it is not unlawful to give senior citizen discounts (discrimination based on age) or free meals to groups such as children, people celebrating birthdays, and police officers even though doing so discriminates against adults, people not celebrating birthdays, and all occupations besides police officers.
> Clearly, there is much confusion about discrimination in our relatively free (as opposed to absolutely free) society overseen by regulators, bureaucrats, and judges -- authoritarians, statists, and busybodies who seek to use the force of government to compel others to associate or do business with people they don t want to. Currently, if the patron of a business or organization is not a member of a federally protected class, the legal right to refuse service generally depends on whether the refusal was arbitrary or whether there was a specific interest in refusing a patron service. That leaves everything up to the whim of government regulators, bureaucrats, and judges.
> Lest there be any misunderstanding, I should say that a free society has nothing in common with the Jim Crow era. Jim Crow regulations, which prohibited white businessmen from serving black customers, were maintained by government force. They were the antithesis of the voluntary association found in a free society. And not only did they harm blacks, they denied the fundamental right of whites to associate and conduct business with them as they saw fit.
> The basis of GLSO s public-accommodation discrimination complaint is the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Listed among the goals in the preamble of the Civil Rights Act is, in addition to enforcing the constitutional right to vote, preventing discrimination in federally assisted programs, and authorizing the Attorney General to institute suits to protect constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, the government s intent to provide injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations.
> The government is using the word public in two different senses. As Title II, Injunctive Relief against Discrimination in Places of Public Accommodation, section 201 states,(a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.But there is a big difference between the government s protecting constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, and the government s providing injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations. The former is a legitimate purpose of government; the latter is an illegitimate purpose. One protects rights; the other violates rights. The first ensures that the government grants the public equal access and equal opportunity to what is public; the second dictates how a private business should operate
> The GLSO s Aaron Baker is right about one thing. People should be aware of the practices of any business so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to buy from them.
> In a free society, it is not just businesses that have the right to refuse service; customers have the right to investigate the practices of any place of business and boycott or give bad publicity to any business establishment that doesn t meet their standards. Discrimination is a two-edged sword. It could function as a death knell for any business because of boycotts, bad publicity, or too narrow a market to make a profit. But in a free society, the practice of discrimination must be an option for buyers and sellers.
> Although conservatives may sound like libertarians when they talk about freedom, property rights, and limited government, they usually fall short of advocating a truly free society.
> Typical is Richard Garnett, professor of law and associate dean at Notre Dame Law School. In his recent Public Discourse articleConfusion About Discrimination, he shows that it is conservatives who are confused about discrimination:We believe that discrimination is wrong. And, because discrimination is wrong, we believe that governments such as ours -- secular, liberal, constitutional governments -- should take steps to prevent, discourage, and denounce it. We are right to believe these things. The proposition that it is not only true, but self-evidently true, that all human persons are created equal is foundational for us. The principle of equal citizenship holds near-universal appeal, even though we often disagree about that principle s particular applications.At the same time, it is not true that discrimination is always or necessarily wrong. Nor is it the case that governments always or necessarily should or may regulate or discourage it -- say, through its expression and spending -- even when it is wrong. Discrimination, after all, is just another word for decision-making, for choosing and acting in accord with or with reference to particular criteria. We do and should discriminate -- we draw lines, identify limits, make judgments, act on the basis of preferences -- all the time.What Garnett really means is that wrongful discrimination is wrong. It is this that governments should oppose, but only when it makes sense, all things considered, and when it is within their constitutionally and morally limited powers, to do so because we do not believe that governments should or may prevent, correct, or even discourage every instance of wrongful discrimination. Some acts of wrongful discrimination are beyond the authorized reach of government policy, some are too difficult or costly to identify, let alone regulate, and others are none of the government s business.
> Many liberals could agree with exactly what the conservative Garnett is saying, but then both would argue endlessly about whether this case of discrimination is wrong and whether that case of wrongful discrimination should be corrected by government action.
> Libertarians, on the other hand, would argue correctly and consistently that, by their very nature, the rights of private property, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, free enterprise, and freedom of contract include the right to refuse service and otherwise discriminate -- for any reason.http://www.fff.org/comment/com1204q.asp
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Re: From Tammy Baldwin: Tea Party ground game
Tommy,
If you keep insisting that anyone on the board is a liar or that proffered information is also a lie without backing it up and entering into a real debate on the issue and documenting your claims you will go back to moderation....
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Liar, Liar, Annointed None Pants on Fire!
> > Tommy- Hide quoted text -
On Apr 25, 11:22 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One of the dues paying members of the American Socialist Party and a
> member of the "Congressional Progressive Caucus" (a communist group
> that was renamed some years ago)
>
> Just what the Dems need... a committed Communist/Socialist in the
> Senate.
>
> On Apr 25, 10:06 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Tea Party ground game
>
> > The Tea Party infrastructure that helped to elect Gov. Scott Walker
> > in 2010 continues to come to Walker's defense in his recall election.
> > That same bunch will be out in full force for my opponent this fall.
>
> > And whomever my opponent winds up being, we know he'll be propped up
> > by right-wing Super PACs who want nothing more than to buy this Senate
> > seat with negative ads funded by secret donations from the super-rich
> > and huge corporations.
>
> > The extreme right in Washington and Wisconsin are organizing for a
> > showdown this fall. And so are we.
>
> > Can you join us with an immediate contribution today?
>
> >https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425
>
> > We've started organizing, but I'm not going to mince my words: we've
> > got a long, tough fight ahead. Our challenge rests in getting our
> > message out over all the noise. We've already started assembling the
> > ground team. We're reaching new audiences every day, but to keep
> > growing we need your support.
>
> > Join our grassroots campaign as a critical early supporter. Click here
> > to donate and help us prepare our ground game.
>
> > In my life, there have been plenty of times where the pundits have
> > doubted the progressive movement. They doubted whether I could win my
> > first campaign for Congress. They cast aside our ability to come
> > together. But we blew them away with a million signatures. And now,
> > we're going to set a new standard.
>
> > All the polling shows our race is a toss-up but we can't afford to
> > leave the outcome in doubt. We're gearing up and building the campaign
> > that can take on Walker's army -- and win.
>
> > Let's go!
>
> > -Tammy
>
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> > --
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Re: Congressional Democrats Prepare to Curb States on Immigration
O's lawyers have no right to be involved in USSC case.
the USSC should be hearing the case that proves the O admin has been
preventing immigration authorities from doing their job ... and how
soon they should be removed from office
On Apr 25, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Congressional Democrats Prepare to Curb States on Immigration"The Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday over Arizona's immigration-crackdown law, but Democrats are already preparing for a potential loss by saying they'll try to pass legislation stripping states of the power to enact their own immigration rules." (Washington Times)Who speaks for individual rights?Immigration: An Abolitionist's CauseWhat Do We Accomplish By Shutting Out Immigrants?Ken Schoolland
> January 2002 • Volume: 52 • Issue: 1 •
> One of the most frequent arguments used against opening borders is that it would add to the welfare burden of the state and that innocent taxpayers will be compelled to pay for slothful immigrants.Slothful immigrants?Students in my international trade and finance classes always get a good laugh at the notion of "slothful immigrants." I ask my students to imagine that they are an employer facing two job applicants. The only thing they know about them is that one is an American and the other is an immigrant. Which is likely to be the worker who will work harder? They always always always say the immigrant is sure to be the harder worker.
> If it is logical on economic grounds to deport someone so that they do not become dependent on welfare, then it would make more sense to deport Americans on welfare than immigrants. But no one suggests that. Why?
> The people of America proudly declare every Fourth of July "that all Men Are Created Equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." Yet citizens are presumed to have a right to be in the United States of America and immigrants are not. This is especially odd since all Americans, or their ancestors, were once immigrants themselves.
> Note the state control that is inherent in the circular logic of those who declare:
> "Newcomers cannot be allowed in, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential welfare costs for their upkeep."
> It is the same circular logic that is used to controlallthat we do, such as:
> "Citizens cannot smoke cigarettes or marijuana, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential medical costs for their illness."
> "Citizens cannot keep a child out of government schools, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential unemployment costs of inadequate training."
> "Citizens cannot keep their money out of the Social Security system, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential retirement costs of inadequate funding."
> Or, eventually, "Citizens cannot give birth to newcomers, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential costs for their upkeep."
> If one accepts this logic of the politician, then the right to all individual human action is lost to the state.
> Many free-marketeers champion individual freedom in virtually every other aspect of economics except immigration. They may accept immigration theoretically, but only after all forms of welfare have been abolished. Which is to say: "Not in my lifetime."
> If we truly believe in the notion of personal responsibility for individual actions, then we must hold politicians accountable for the welfare system, not innocent immigrants who had no say in the policy. It would be just as illogical as holding a refugee to account for the tyranny of a dictator that drove her from her homeland.
> Arguing the practical side, Julian Simon asserted that it is a misconception that immigrants, as a group, are a welfare burden on taxpayers. Immigrants do so much to contribute to the economic health of a country, and they pay more in taxes than they absorb in benefits, so the continuation of welfare benefits for citizens may well depend on their contributions.1Welfare DecayIs it correct to suppose that in-migration is caused by the existence of welfare? Evidence shows that the opposite is true.
> Proof can be found in migration patterns within America's 50 states, where there are no border guards and virtually no language and cultural barriers. Do people move between states to find the most welfare? No!Just the opposite.
> States that give the most welfare have the most out-migration. States with the least welfare have the most in-migration.
> Take my home state, Hawaii, for example. Hawaii is the most socialistic state in America, with by far the most generous welfare benefits of the 50 states. According to a Cato Institute study by Michael Tanner and Stephen Moore, the six basic welfare benefits in Hawaii (six among a possible 77 welfare programs) could provide a mother and two children with the equivalent of a pre-tax income of $36,000 or a wage of $17.50 an hour.2This is a lot of money and by the "welfare-magnet theory" should have attracted every welfare mom in America.
> It hasn't. According to recent Census data for the 1990s, Hawaii experienced a net domestic out-migration of 9 percent of the population to other states.
> In fact, all the top welfare regionsHawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and the District of Columbiaexperienced net domestic outmigration to other states. Hawaii has an ideal climate, fabulous beaches, wonderful people, but the economy is in decline. In fact, it is the only state in the nation that experienced real economic contraction the entire decade of the '90s. No wonder, since it has been chronically listed as the number-one "tax hell" in the country byMoneymagazine.
> The legislature feels it has to raise taxes to pay for the welfare, and by raising taxes the lawmakers drive people away. The same is true for the second-highest welfare state, Alaska, which had the second-slowest growing economy in the nation for a decade.
> Contrast this with states that grant little welfare. Mississippi provides only a third of the welfare money that Hawaii offers. In fact, the median income of aworkerin Mississippi is $6,000 less than what a family can get onwelfarein Hawaii. Did everyone abandon Mississippi to get on the gravy train in Hawaii?
> Just the opposite. In fact, all five states at the very bottom of the welfare listMississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Arizonaexperienced net domestic immigration from other states. The deserts of Arizona and Nevada, with some of the lowest taxes, were the fastest growing states in the nation.
> There's no doubt about it. In-migration is caused by opportunity, not by welfare. Of course, there are high-profile exceptions, but people who are too lazy to work are also too lazy to move away from everything that is familiar to them. This is generally true within a nation and even more so between nations. It is the courageous of the world who are far more likely to risk everything to go to a new and potentially hostile land where the language, the customs, and the people are all unfamiliar.Tyrant and Corporate WelfareThere are other forms of welfare, however, that do contribute mightily to migration.Top 5 Welfare States Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare (1995) Net Domestic Migration(% change 1990-99)Hawaii $ 17.50 - 9%
> Alaska 15.48 - 4
> Massachusetts 14.66 -4
> Connecticut ...
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the USSC should be hearing the case that proves the O admin has been
preventing immigration authorities from doing their job ... and how
soon they should be removed from office
On Apr 25, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Congressional Democrats Prepare to Curb States on Immigration"The Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday over Arizona's immigration-crackdown law, but Democrats are already preparing for a potential loss by saying they'll try to pass legislation stripping states of the power to enact their own immigration rules." (Washington Times)Who speaks for individual rights?Immigration: An Abolitionist's CauseWhat Do We Accomplish By Shutting Out Immigrants?Ken Schoolland
> January 2002 • Volume: 52 • Issue: 1 •
> One of the most frequent arguments used against opening borders is that it would add to the welfare burden of the state and that innocent taxpayers will be compelled to pay for slothful immigrants.Slothful immigrants?Students in my international trade and finance classes always get a good laugh at the notion of "slothful immigrants." I ask my students to imagine that they are an employer facing two job applicants. The only thing they know about them is that one is an American and the other is an immigrant. Which is likely to be the worker who will work harder? They always always always say the immigrant is sure to be the harder worker.
> If it is logical on economic grounds to deport someone so that they do not become dependent on welfare, then it would make more sense to deport Americans on welfare than immigrants. But no one suggests that. Why?
> The people of America proudly declare every Fourth of July "that all Men Are Created Equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." Yet citizens are presumed to have a right to be in the United States of America and immigrants are not. This is especially odd since all Americans, or their ancestors, were once immigrants themselves.
> Note the state control that is inherent in the circular logic of those who declare:
> "Newcomers cannot be allowed in, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential welfare costs for their upkeep."
> It is the same circular logic that is used to controlallthat we do, such as:
> "Citizens cannot smoke cigarettes or marijuana, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential medical costs for their illness."
> "Citizens cannot keep a child out of government schools, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential unemployment costs of inadequate training."
> "Citizens cannot keep their money out of the Social Security system, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential retirement costs of inadequate funding."
> Or, eventually, "Citizens cannot give birth to newcomers, because the statemightcompel us all to pay the potential costs for their upkeep."
> If one accepts this logic of the politician, then the right to all individual human action is lost to the state.
> Many free-marketeers champion individual freedom in virtually every other aspect of economics except immigration. They may accept immigration theoretically, but only after all forms of welfare have been abolished. Which is to say: "Not in my lifetime."
> If we truly believe in the notion of personal responsibility for individual actions, then we must hold politicians accountable for the welfare system, not innocent immigrants who had no say in the policy. It would be just as illogical as holding a refugee to account for the tyranny of a dictator that drove her from her homeland.
> Arguing the practical side, Julian Simon asserted that it is a misconception that immigrants, as a group, are a welfare burden on taxpayers. Immigrants do so much to contribute to the economic health of a country, and they pay more in taxes than they absorb in benefits, so the continuation of welfare benefits for citizens may well depend on their contributions.1Welfare DecayIs it correct to suppose that in-migration is caused by the existence of welfare? Evidence shows that the opposite is true.
> Proof can be found in migration patterns within America's 50 states, where there are no border guards and virtually no language and cultural barriers. Do people move between states to find the most welfare? No!Just the opposite.
> States that give the most welfare have the most out-migration. States with the least welfare have the most in-migration.
> Take my home state, Hawaii, for example. Hawaii is the most socialistic state in America, with by far the most generous welfare benefits of the 50 states. According to a Cato Institute study by Michael Tanner and Stephen Moore, the six basic welfare benefits in Hawaii (six among a possible 77 welfare programs) could provide a mother and two children with the equivalent of a pre-tax income of $36,000 or a wage of $17.50 an hour.2This is a lot of money and by the "welfare-magnet theory" should have attracted every welfare mom in America.
> It hasn't. According to recent Census data for the 1990s, Hawaii experienced a net domestic out-migration of 9 percent of the population to other states.
> In fact, all the top welfare regionsHawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and the District of Columbiaexperienced net domestic outmigration to other states. Hawaii has an ideal climate, fabulous beaches, wonderful people, but the economy is in decline. In fact, it is the only state in the nation that experienced real economic contraction the entire decade of the '90s. No wonder, since it has been chronically listed as the number-one "tax hell" in the country byMoneymagazine.
> The legislature feels it has to raise taxes to pay for the welfare, and by raising taxes the lawmakers drive people away. The same is true for the second-highest welfare state, Alaska, which had the second-slowest growing economy in the nation for a decade.
> Contrast this with states that grant little welfare. Mississippi provides only a third of the welfare money that Hawaii offers. In fact, the median income of aworkerin Mississippi is $6,000 less than what a family can get onwelfarein Hawaii. Did everyone abandon Mississippi to get on the gravy train in Hawaii?
> Just the opposite. In fact, all five states at the very bottom of the welfare listMississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Arizonaexperienced net domestic immigration from other states. The deserts of Arizona and Nevada, with some of the lowest taxes, were the fastest growing states in the nation.
> There's no doubt about it. In-migration is caused by opportunity, not by welfare. Of course, there are high-profile exceptions, but people who are too lazy to work are also too lazy to move away from everything that is familiar to them. This is generally true within a nation and even more so between nations. It is the courageous of the world who are far more likely to risk everything to go to a new and potentially hostile land where the language, the customs, and the people are all unfamiliar.Tyrant and Corporate WelfareThere are other forms of welfare, however, that do contribute mightily to migration.Top 5 Welfare States Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare (1995) Net Domestic Migration(% change 1990-99)Hawaii $ 17.50 - 9%
> Alaska 15.48 - 4
> Massachusetts 14.66 -4
> Connecticut ...
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Re: watching brainwashed myth believers is a hoot!!!
mostly just racist rhetoric
----
The SPLC also said that "most Hebrew Israelites are neither explicitly
racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence".
The Black Hebrew groups characterized as black supremacist by the SPLC
include the Nation of Yahweh and the Israelite Church of God in Jesus
Christ. Also, the Anti-Defamation League has written that the "12
Tribes of Israel" website, maintained by a Black Hebrew group,
promotes black supremacy.
Correspondence with the Twelve Tribes of Israel
Some groups of Black Hebrews believe that various groups in the
Americas correspond to the Biblical Twelve Tribes of Israel. One such
correspondence is as follows:
Judah — Black Americans
Benjamin — West Indians
Levi — Haitians
Simeon — Dominicans
Zebulun — Guatemalans, Panamanians
Ephraim — Puerto Ricans
Manasseh — Cubans
Gad — Native American Indians
Reuben — Seminole Indians
Asher — Colombians, Uruguayans
Naphtali — Argentines, Chileans
Issachar — Mexicans[57]
See also
African-American – Jewish relations #Blacks as the chosen people
Afro-American religion
Alliance of Black Jews
Groups claiming an affiliation with the ancient Israelites
Jews and Judaism in the African diaspora
List of Jews in the African diaspora
On Apr 24, 11:56 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to know what Bible he is purportedly reading from. I am not
> hearing a lot of spiritual accurateness here, mostly just racist rhetoric.
>
> It should be an interesting summer......
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:18 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF8EC9CpHWQ&feature=related
>
> > On Apr 24, 4:18 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apTouMWnMGo&list=UUuGUeweabuRpAZOustJA...
>
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The SPLC also said that "most Hebrew Israelites are neither explicitly
racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence".
The Black Hebrew groups characterized as black supremacist by the SPLC
include the Nation of Yahweh and the Israelite Church of God in Jesus
Christ. Also, the Anti-Defamation League has written that the "12
Tribes of Israel" website, maintained by a Black Hebrew group,
promotes black supremacy.
Correspondence with the Twelve Tribes of Israel
Some groups of Black Hebrews believe that various groups in the
Americas correspond to the Biblical Twelve Tribes of Israel. One such
correspondence is as follows:
Judah — Black Americans
Benjamin — West Indians
Levi — Haitians
Simeon — Dominicans
Zebulun — Guatemalans, Panamanians
Ephraim — Puerto Ricans
Manasseh — Cubans
Gad — Native American Indians
Reuben — Seminole Indians
Asher — Colombians, Uruguayans
Naphtali — Argentines, Chileans
Issachar — Mexicans[57]
See also
African-American – Jewish relations #Blacks as the chosen people
Afro-American religion
Alliance of Black Jews
Groups claiming an affiliation with the ancient Israelites
Jews and Judaism in the African diaspora
List of Jews in the African diaspora
On Apr 24, 11:56 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to know what Bible he is purportedly reading from. I am not
> hearing a lot of spiritual accurateness here, mostly just racist rhetoric.
>
> It should be an interesting summer......
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:18 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF8EC9CpHWQ&feature=related
>
> > On Apr 24, 4:18 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apTouMWnMGo&list=UUuGUeweabuRpAZOustJA...
>
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Re: Pistol Packin’ Mama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=U6Ps1ZC1-Qw
On Apr 25, 11:28 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> New post on *Fellowship of the Minds*
> <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/daver2112/> Pistol
> Packin' Mama<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/pistol-packin-mama/>by
> Dave <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/daver2112/>
>
> <http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/glock.jpg>
>
> Okay, it is not exactly a DRT* story, but it is close enough fer me.
>
> Via macon.13wmaz.com:
>
> *Robbery Victim: 'Thought I Was Going to Die' *
>
> Submitted by Bernard O'Donnell
> Tuesday, April 24th, 2012, 12:31pm
>
> MACON, Ga. -- Early Saturday, Luisa Campbell said, "I thought I was going
> to die" -- and she wanted to take someone with her.
>
> The 57-year-old Warner Robins businesswoman says she shot and wounded one
> of two armed men who tried to rob her outside her daughter's house in Macon
> early Saturday morning.
>
> Police said the wounded man, Brenton Lance Spencer, 32, remains under
> 24-hour guard at the Medical Center of Central Georgia, and will be taken
> to jail when he recovers from a gunshot wound in the abdomen. Police and
> the hospital have not disclosed his condition.
>
> *VIEW: Police Incident
> Report<http://www.13wmaz.com/assetpool/documents/120423031820_macon-police-r...>
> *
>
> Campbell told 13WMAZ's Candace Adorka that she owns several convenience
> stores and gas stations in Macon, including the Shell station at 2700
> Riverside Dr.
>
> Campbell said she had just dropped her grandson off at her daughter's house
> on English Avenue in the Vineville area.
>
> She says she was parked in the driveway, looking through her purse for her
> phone, when someone started yelling and demanding money.
>
> "I said, I got no money. Then he said, you don't open the door, I'll shoot
> you. I answered him and said you're gonna kill me anyway no matter what,"
> said Campbell.
>
> She says that's when the man fired and she fired back.
>
> "He shot the passenger's side window, the bullet went through the driver's
> window. I backed up and he did miss me. When I backed up I saw one more guy
> in the front."
>
> She says there was a second man standing in front of her car, illuminated
> by her high beams. He was also wielding a .48 caliber gun.
>
> "I said Oh God, I'm gonna die, but they have bad news for them, I always
> carry a gun, 24 hours, 7 days a week."
>
> She said she suspects they were customers who followed her from the Shell
> station.
>
> It wasn't until later, after police found one of the suspected robbers,
> that Campbell found out one of her bullets pierced the would-be robber on
> the passenger's side in the abdomen.
>
> She thought at the time that she was going to die anyway, and was going to
> "take one of them with me," Campbell said she's now glad she didn't kill
> the robber.
>
> She said she buried her own son a week ago, from natural causes, and
> doesn't want another parent to go through that.
>
> Police are still looking for the other suspect, Dantre Horatio Shivers, 35
> years old.
>
> Campbell says she owns more guns than she can count. One of them -- not the
> one she used early Saturday -- is pink.
>
> *-End*
>
> Click here<http://macon.13wmaz.com/news/news/69513-robbery-victim-thought-i-was-...>for
> original story and associated video.
>
> *-Dave*
>
> *DRT - Dead Right There
>
> (h/t: Rusty Humphries)
>
> *Dave <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/daver2112/>* | April
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On Apr 25, 11:28 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> New post on *Fellowship of the Minds*
> <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/daver2112/> Pistol
> Packin' Mama<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/pistol-packin-mama/>by
> Dave <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/daver2112/>
>
> <http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/glock.jpg>
>
> Okay, it is not exactly a DRT* story, but it is close enough fer me.
>
> Via macon.13wmaz.com:
>
> *Robbery Victim: 'Thought I Was Going to Die' *
>
> Submitted by Bernard O'Donnell
> Tuesday, April 24th, 2012, 12:31pm
>
> MACON, Ga. -- Early Saturday, Luisa Campbell said, "I thought I was going
> to die" -- and she wanted to take someone with her.
>
> The 57-year-old Warner Robins businesswoman says she shot and wounded one
> of two armed men who tried to rob her outside her daughter's house in Macon
> early Saturday morning.
>
> Police said the wounded man, Brenton Lance Spencer, 32, remains under
> 24-hour guard at the Medical Center of Central Georgia, and will be taken
> to jail when he recovers from a gunshot wound in the abdomen. Police and
> the hospital have not disclosed his condition.
>
> *VIEW: Police Incident
> Report<http://www.13wmaz.com/assetpool/documents/120423031820_macon-police-r...>
> *
>
> Campbell told 13WMAZ's Candace Adorka that she owns several convenience
> stores and gas stations in Macon, including the Shell station at 2700
> Riverside Dr.
>
> Campbell said she had just dropped her grandson off at her daughter's house
> on English Avenue in the Vineville area.
>
> She says she was parked in the driveway, looking through her purse for her
> phone, when someone started yelling and demanding money.
>
> "I said, I got no money. Then he said, you don't open the door, I'll shoot
> you. I answered him and said you're gonna kill me anyway no matter what,"
> said Campbell.
>
> She says that's when the man fired and she fired back.
>
> "He shot the passenger's side window, the bullet went through the driver's
> window. I backed up and he did miss me. When I backed up I saw one more guy
> in the front."
>
> She says there was a second man standing in front of her car, illuminated
> by her high beams. He was also wielding a .48 caliber gun.
>
> "I said Oh God, I'm gonna die, but they have bad news for them, I always
> carry a gun, 24 hours, 7 days a week."
>
> She said she suspects they were customers who followed her from the Shell
> station.
>
> It wasn't until later, after police found one of the suspected robbers,
> that Campbell found out one of her bullets pierced the would-be robber on
> the passenger's side in the abdomen.
>
> She thought at the time that she was going to die anyway, and was going to
> "take one of them with me," Campbell said she's now glad she didn't kill
> the robber.
>
> She said she buried her own son a week ago, from natural causes, and
> doesn't want another parent to go through that.
>
> Police are still looking for the other suspect, Dantre Horatio Shivers, 35
> years old.
>
> Campbell says she owns more guns than she can count. One of them -- not the
> one she used early Saturday -- is pink.
>
> *-End*
>
> Click here<http://macon.13wmaz.com/news/news/69513-robbery-victim-thought-i-was-...>for
> original story and associated video.
>
> *-Dave*
>
> *DRT - Dead Right There
>
> (h/t: Rusty Humphries)
>
> *Dave <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/daver2112/>* | April
> 24, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Tags: 2nd
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Re: watching brainwashed myth believers is a hoot!!!
The SPLC also said that "most Hebrew Israelites are neither explicitly
racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence".
The Black Hebrew groups characterized as black supremacist by the SPLC
include the Nation of Yahweh and the Israelite Church of God in Jesus
Christ. Also, the Anti-Defamation League has written that the "12
Tribes of Israel" website, maintained by a Black Hebrew group,
promotes black supremacy.
Correspondence with the Twelve Tribes of Israel
Some groups of Black Hebrews believe that various groups in the
Americas correspond to the Biblical Twelve Tribes of Israel. One such
correspondence is as follows:
Judah — Black Americans
Benjamin — West Indians
Levi — Haitians
Simeon — Dominicans
Zebulun — Guatemalans, Panamanians
Ephraim — Puerto Ricans
Manasseh — Cubans
Gad — Native American Indians
Reuben — Seminole Indians
Asher — Colombians, Uruguayans
Naphtali — Argentines, Chileans
Issachar — Mexicans[57]
See also
African-American – Jewish relations #Blacks as the chosen people
Afro-American religion
Alliance of Black Jews
Groups claiming an affiliation with the ancient Israelites
Jews and Judaism in the African diaspora
List of Jews in the African diaspora
On Apr 24, 4:18 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apTouMWnMGo&list=UUuGUeweabuRpAZOustJA...
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racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence".
The Black Hebrew groups characterized as black supremacist by the SPLC
include the Nation of Yahweh and the Israelite Church of God in Jesus
Christ. Also, the Anti-Defamation League has written that the "12
Tribes of Israel" website, maintained by a Black Hebrew group,
promotes black supremacy.
Correspondence with the Twelve Tribes of Israel
Some groups of Black Hebrews believe that various groups in the
Americas correspond to the Biblical Twelve Tribes of Israel. One such
correspondence is as follows:
Judah — Black Americans
Benjamin — West Indians
Levi — Haitians
Simeon — Dominicans
Zebulun — Guatemalans, Panamanians
Ephraim — Puerto Ricans
Manasseh — Cubans
Gad — Native American Indians
Reuben — Seminole Indians
Asher — Colombians, Uruguayans
Naphtali — Argentines, Chileans
Issachar — Mexicans[57]
See also
African-American – Jewish relations #Blacks as the chosen people
Afro-American religion
Alliance of Black Jews
Groups claiming an affiliation with the ancient Israelites
Jews and Judaism in the African diaspora
List of Jews in the African diaspora
On Apr 24, 4:18 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apTouMWnMGo&list=UUuGUeweabuRpAZOustJA...
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Re: watching brainwashed myth believers is a hoot!!!
Poor Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews........Maybe you can sell someone that revisionist history over at the Daily Kos? Or the Democratic Underground?
No one's buying that stupid shit here, including those members who are Agnostic, Atheist, or hold left of center political viewpoints.
Although I am no Biblical expert, I believe that I know the New Covenants better than you do.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
The misguided homophobes do not know what the Bible says or means
either.
Jesus may have been gay or bi, and John, "the one he loved", may have
been his lover.
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:56 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to know what Bible he is purportedly reading from. I am not
> hearing a lot of spiritual accurateness here, mostly just racist rhetoric.
>
> It should be an interesting summer......
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:18 PM, plainolamerican
>> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF8EC9CpHWQ&feature=related
>
> > On Apr 24, 4:18 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apTouMWnMGo&list=UUuGUeweabuRpAZOustJA...
>
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Re: Flip Flop Romney Proclaimed Boston "Rainbow City" for LGBT Pride Event, Then Took It Back
<Grin>!
Thus, the name: Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews!
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith,Asking Tommytomtom to point out and document ANYTHING he claims will always exclude him from a conversation. Stop Bullying Tommy by asking for proof.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:Hello Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews,Whenever you can document and demonstrate that I have ever, "Lied"; I will be the first one to stand up, and point out my mistake, and humbly apologize! We'll wait right here, atwitter with excitement and anticipation, counting on you to point out these fallacies and mis-statements made by me......Hugs & Kisses,Little Grand Old Teabagger Reich Wingnut Fascist Homophobe Mysoginist Drunkard Kiethie Kieth McCarthy
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we can all agree that Lole' Kiethie's homophobic lies are
something that should be scorned and
looked down upon.
On Apr 25, 11:54 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:49 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Moreover, I think we can all agree that the LGBT Alliance's radical
> attempts at misguiding our youth, is something that should be scorned and
> looked down upon. These groups need to modify their platforms, and attempt
> to assist older, Gay youths, rather than indoctrinating them. Until such
> time, I support and salute former Governor Romney, and any Democrat and
> Republican who takes similar actions. As all Americans should do.
>
> Once again we should thank Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews, for
> alerting us to these disdainful organizations' actions, until such time as
> they modify their agenda!
>
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>
> > Rainbow City is one thing.... Kink land is quite another.
>
> > On Apr 25, 10:41 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Romney Proclaimed Boston "Rainbow City" Then Took It Back
>
> > > As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney nearly killed the "The
> > > Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth" after it used his name
> > > in connection with a Pride event.
>
> > > By Lucas Grindley
>
> > > As governor, Mitt Romney's administration once proclaimed that it
> > > would "transform Boston Common into 'Rainbow City,'" according to a
> > > 2006 news release dug up by BuzzFeed.
>
> > > The Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth made the promise as
> > > part of its Youth Pride celebration in March 2006. But that doesn't
> > > necessarily mean Romney supported the idea.
>
> > > Although Romney's name is featured at the very top of the
> > > announcement's official-looking letterhead, he actually tried to scrap
> > > the whole thing, BuzzFeed reports.
>
> > > "Rainbow City" was the theme for the 2006 festival, which included a
> > > parade, a drag king host, awards for young people who inspired the
> > > LGBT community, and performances of songs from The Wizard of Oz by the
> > > Boston Women's Rainbow Chorus.
>
> > > But BuzzFeed points out that Romney tried to abolish the Governor's
> > > Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, which had long preceded his
> > > tenure. The governor was reportedly angry that his name was being used
> > > in connection with the event.
>
> > > Announcements in 2003 and 2004 of Youth Pride, headlined dramatically
> > > as "A Proclamation By His Excellency Governor Mitt Romney," sounded
> > > very positive for LGBT youth.
>
> > > "Whereas gay youth and their straight supporters are joining together"
> > > and "whereas young people, particularly gays and lesbians, are at a
> > > high risk for suicide, abuse of drugs and alcohol and running away
> > > from home," plus a few more "whereas" classes, therefore Romney would
> > > declare one day in May as Youth Pride Day.
>
> > > A Romney spokesman told the Boston Globe at the time that Romney
> > > considered abolishing the LGBT-focused commission and replacing it
> > > with one for all youth but decided that would be "too harsh." Instead
> > > he required that taxpayer money stop being spent on "parades and
> > > parties."
>
> > > Antigay activist Brian Camenker, now of MassResistance, had met with
> > > the governor's staff to complain about photos from past parades,
> > > according to the Globe.
>
> > > "They had boys in fishnet stockings and high heels parading down
> > > Boylston Street," Camenker said, according to the Globe, that he
> > > informed Romney's staff. "They had boys dressed as women embracing. We
> > > presented stuff, and they were visibly sickened by what they saw. I
> > > said, basically, this group has to go. It's so manifestly destructive
> > > to kids that you have to get rid of it. They said they'd do
> > > something."
>
> > > More:
> >http://www.advocate.com/Politics/Romney_Proclaimed_Boston_Rainbow_Cit...
>
> > > --
> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > Have a great day,
> > > Tommy
>
> > > --
> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > Have a great day,
> > > Tommy
>
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