Wednesday, December 7, 2011

BO says capitalism doesn't work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qmj4trja7w&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscottystarnes.wordpress.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

some people believe him

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Re: NBC-Marist Survey: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama

I do believe right now, that we do have some
right to entitlement for our spoils
---
for what ... invading and destroying the Afghan and Iraqi governments?

. ... and it is
imperative, until such time as we can become energy independent, that
the
flow of oil from the Middle East, (e.g.; Southwest Asia/Northern
Africa)
remain open and contiguous.
---
you'll pay their price or find another seller

I do think that a Gingrich
Administration will revitalize the United States much as Reagan did in
1980-1981.
---
he will also lie to the American people, be an imperialist, and leave
office disgraced

On Dec 7, 12:32 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Afternoon PlainOl,
>
> Actually, we are not as far apart on this issue as it may appear.  I guess
> the one distinction, is that I do believe right now, that we do have some
> right to entitlement for our spoils.  I think Donald Trump has expressed it
> quite well, but the point being, is that whether we like it, or don't like
> it,  our world, and especially our American way of life, is geared and
> based on petroleum hydrocarbons, from the clothes you wear on your back, to
> the food you eat, to the transportation you depend upon.....Each and every
> facet of our lives are based on petroleum hydrocarbons, and it is
> imperative, until such time as we can become energy independent, that the
> flow of oil from the Middle East, (e.g.;  Southwest Asia/Northern Africa)
> remain open and contiguous.
>
> Please note that Gingrich's Energy plan (of which I sent the link to above)
> is predominately focused upon American self reliance, but also sustainable
> energy platforms here in North America and our own hemisphere.
>
> The main positive aspect of Gingrich's campaign, is that he has focused on
> trying to find solutions to issues we as a Nation face in the New
> Milennium.  Conservative solutions, as compared to the same, old, tired and
> I might add failed policies of the Democrat/Socialist/Communist movements
> that have not had an original thought in seventy years.  Most of Gingrich's
> ideas I agree with, some I don't,  but I do think that a Gingrich
> Administration will revitalize the United States much as Reagan did in
> 1980-1981.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Have you read Gingrich's energy policy?
> > ---
> > yes, I've read it
> > his economic policies don't bother me ... it's his support of
> > interventionism that makes him the enemy
>
> > On Dec 6, 7:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Have you read Gingrich's energy policy?
>
> > >http://www.newt.org/solutions/american-energy-plan
>
> > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:41 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > He will restore confidence in our Nation once again,
> > > > among other things,  predominately "righting"  the wrongs that have
> > > > happened the last eight to twelve years in our federal government.
> > > > ---
> > > > yes, things need to be corrected, but what newt will be forced to do
> > > > in the ME is dangerous for America. Interventionism for oil and israel
> > > > is a failed policy.
>
> > > > the USA cannot rule over the muslim world
>
> > > > On Dec 6, 4:24 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Sometimes the truth hurts PlainOl'......Zionist warmonger pig is an
> > > > > incorrect assumption,  Mr. Gingrich is the best thing that can
> > happen to
> > > > > America right now.  He will restore confidence in our Nation once
> > again,
> > > > > among other things,  predominately "righting"  the wrongs that have
> > > > > happened the last eight to twelve years in our federal government.
>
> > > > > As I have said to you previously, start practicing saying:  "Mr.
> > > > President
> > > > > Gingrich, Sir".
>
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:45 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > newt is a liar, a warmonger and a zionist pig to be ignored
>
> > > > > > he couldn't beat Obama with a pack of marines
>
> > > > > > On Dec 6, 8:23 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Geesh.....Crackpots are now adopting Moonbat tactics!  Say it
> > loud
> > > > enough
> > > > > > > and long enough, and maybe someone will believe it.....
>
> > > > > > > Here's the actual poll numbers,  Paul is insignificant in Iowa,
> > as
> > > > he is
> > > > > > > everywhere else.   The only one right now that can beat Obama is
> > of
> > > > > > course,
> > > > > > > our next President,  Newt Gingrich:
>
> > > >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam.
> > ..
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > 05 Dec 2011
> > > > > > > > *NBC-Marist Survey: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama
>
> > > > > > > > *Ron Paul continues to measure up well to Barack Obama in Iowa
> > in
> > > > > > > > head-to-head matchups. According to an NBC-Marist survey
> > conducted
> > > > Nov.
> > > > > > > > 27-29 among 2,896 registered voters, Paul ties Obama, with each
> > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > garnering 42 percent of the vote. Paul's Republican rivals fare
> > > > > > > > significantly worse against the presumed Democrat nominee.
>
> > > > > > > > Ron Paul leads Obama 42 to 35 percent among independent voters
> > and
> > > > > > > > attracts 15 percent of Iowa's Democrats. Paul also leads Obama
> > by
> > > > 14
> > > > > > > > percentage points among voters under 45 years of age.
>
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> > > > > > >  Gingrich.v.Obama.JPG
> > > > > > > 60KViewDownload
>
> > > > > > >  Paul.v.Obama..JPG
> > > > > > > 45KViewDownload
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> > > > > > >  Newt_2012.jpg
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Re: NBC-Marist Survey: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama

Good Afternoon PlainOl,
 
Actually, we are not as far apart on this issue as it may appear.  I guess the one distinction, is that I do believe right now, that we do have some right to entitlement for our spoils.  I think Donald Trump has expressed it quite well, but the point being, is that whether we like it, or don't like it,  our world, and especially our American way of life, is geared and based on petroleum hydrocarbons, from the clothes you wear on your back, to the food you eat, to the transportation you depend upon.....Each and every facet of our lives are based on petroleum hydrocarbons, and it is imperative, until such time as we can become energy independent, that the flow of oil from the Middle East, (e.g.;  Southwest Asia/Northern Africa) remain open and contiguous. 
 
Please note that Gingrich's Energy plan (of which I sent the link to above) is predominately focused upon American self reliance, but also sustainable energy platforms here in North America and our own hemisphere.  
 
The main positive aspect of Gingrich's campaign, is that he has focused on trying to find solutions to issues we as a Nation face in the New Milennium.  Conservative solutions, as compared to the same, old, tired and I might add failed policies of the Democrat/Socialist/Communist movements that have not had an original thought in seventy years.  Most of Gingrich's ideas I agree with, some I don't,  but I do think that a Gingrich Administration will revitalize the United States much as Reagan did in 1980-1981. 

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you read Gingrich's energy policy?
---
yes, I've read it
his economic policies don't bother me ... it's his support of
interventionism that makes him the enemy

On Dec 6, 7:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you read Gingrich's energy policy?
>
> http://www.newt.org/solutions/american-energy-plan
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:41 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > He will restore confidence in our Nation once again,
> > among other things,  predominately "righting"  the wrongs that have
> > happened the last eight to twelve years in our federal government.
> > ---
> > yes, things need to be corrected, but what newt will be forced to do
> > in the ME is dangerous for America. Interventionism for oil and israel
> > is a failed policy.
>
> > the USA cannot rule over the muslim world
>
> > On Dec 6, 4:24 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Sometimes the truth hurts PlainOl'......Zionist warmonger pig is an
> > > incorrect assumption,  Mr. Gingrich is the best thing that can happen to
> > > America right now.  He will restore confidence in our Nation once again,
> > > among other things,  predominately "righting"  the wrongs that have
> > > happened the last eight to twelve years in our federal government.
>
> > > As I have said to you previously, start practicing saying:  "Mr.
> > President
> > > Gingrich, Sir".
>
> > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:45 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > newt is a liar, a warmonger and a zionist pig to be ignored
>
> > > > he couldn't beat Obama with a pack of marines
>
> > > > On Dec 6, 8:23 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Geesh.....Crackpots are now adopting Moonbat tactics!  Say it loud
> > enough
> > > > > and long enough, and maybe someone will believe it.....
>
> > > > > Here's the actual poll numbers,  Paul is insignificant in Iowa, as
> > he is
> > > > > everywhere else.   The only one right now that can beat Obama is of
> > > > course,
> > > > > our next President,  Newt Gingrich:
>
> >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam...
>
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 05 Dec 2011
> > > > > > *NBC-Marist Survey: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama
>
> > > > > > *Ron Paul continues to measure up well to Barack Obama in Iowa in
> > > > > > head-to-head matchups. According to an NBC-Marist survey conducted
> > Nov.
> > > > > > 27-29 among 2,896 registered voters, Paul ties Obama, with each
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > garnering 42 percent of the vote. Paul's Republican rivals fare
> > > > > > significantly worse against the presumed Democrat nominee.
>
> > > > > > Ron Paul leads Obama 42 to 35 percent among independent voters and
> > > > > > attracts 15 percent of Iowa's Democrats. Paul also leads Obama by
> > 14
> > > > > > percentage points among voters under 45 years of age.
>
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> > > > >  Paul.v.Obama..JPG
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> > > > >  Newt_2012.jpg
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Christmas Card to Obama Voters



New post on Scotty Starnes's Blog

Christmas Card to Obama Voters

by Scotty Starnes

I'm sending this out to all my liberal friends this Christmas...

H/T to The Looking Spoon

 

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Re: Lesser of Two Evils

These socialists (except when it comes to lining their own
pockets!) have damn near ruined our Nation!
---
true

so, we get to choose between socialists and imperialists

vote 3rd party!

On Dec 6, 8:10 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's not kid ourselves, this is the Democrats, not Republicans here who
> are to blame.   These socialists (except when it comes to lining their own
> pockets!)  have damn near ruined our Nation!  Barney Frank,  Franklin
> Raines,  Maxine Waters,  Chris Dodd,  the list goes on, and they are all
> Socialist Democrats!  Hell, even Bill Clinton admitted it:
>
> *"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have, may rest more in
> resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was
> president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and
> Freddie Mac."*
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGWxqsKFmY
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:10 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > the Justice Department's failure to investigate Wall Street, crony
> > corporatism, and
> > Countrywide
> > ----
> > ah ... the good old days when you could sell a loan package with
> > almost no regulations
>
> > On Dec 6, 12:43 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Last night's *60 Minutes* featured a truly shameful story on the Justice
> > > Department's failure to investigate Wall Street, crony corporatism, and
> > > Countrywide.  Steve Kroft pretended to be investigating while not asking
> > > the Obama Justice Department lackeys (former Clinton administration
> > > lackeys) ANY pointed questions at all.  One wonders if he got slapped
> > > around for asking Nancy Pelosi about her insider trading profits a few
> > > weeks back and was told to make atonement.
>
> > > <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MNDpxK_MzvI/Tt5gDKHYUyI/AAAAAAAAAqw/WM0pKa_..
> > .>
>
> > > He was skewered for it today for an hour by radio host Chris Plante on
> > DC's
> > > WMAL (which is usually rebroadcast on the weekend, since I can't find it
> > > for you on-line).  But all one need do is repair to Wikipedia (George
> > Soros
> > > has not bought it yet) to find that everyone from Nancy Pelosi's son to
> > > Congressman James Clyburn to former Senator Chris Dodd to many other
> > > Clinton and Obama hireling were given favorable loan terms for keeping
> > the
> > > party going:
>
> > > "Friends of Angelo (FOA)" VIP program
>
> > > Further information: Countrywide financial political loan
> > > scandal<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countrywide_financial_political_loan_sca...>
>
> > > In June 2008 Conde Nast
> > > Portfolio<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conde_Nast_Portfolio> reported
> > > that several influential lawmakers and politicians, including Senate
> > > Banking Committee <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Banking_Committee
>
> > >  Chairman Christopher Dodd
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dodd>, Senate
> > > Budget Committee <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Budget_Committee>
> > >  Chairman Kent Conrad <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Conrad>, and
> > Fannie
> > > Mae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae> former CEO Jim
> > > Johnson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Johnson_(businessman)>,
> > > received favorable mortgage financing from Countrywide by virtue of being
> > > "Friends of Angelo."[13]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-Countrywide.27s_...>
> > > [14]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-CFC_Friends_Loan...>
>
> > > Senator Dodd received a $75,000 reduction in mortgage payments from
> > > Countrywide at allegedly below-market rates on his Washington, D.C. and
> > > Connecticut homes. Michael Moore's*Capitalism: A Love Story* shows on
> > film
> > > that this was actually over a million dollars of a sweet-heart mortgage
> > > deal.[13]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-Countrywide.27s_...>
> > > [15]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-Dodd_Angelo.27s_...>
> > > Dodd
> > > nonetheless called for stronger regulation of mortgage lenders and
> > proposed
> > > that predatory lenders should face criminal
> > > charges.[16]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-deal-15>
>
> > > Clinton Jones III, senior counsel of the House Financial Services
> > > Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity, and "an adviser to
> > > ranking Republican members of Congress responsible for legislation of
> > > interest to the financial services industry and of importance to
> > > Countrywide." was given special treatment. Jones is now state director
> > for
> > > federal residential-mortgage bundler Freddie Mac. Alphonso
> > > Jackson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonso_Jackson>,
> > > acting secretary of HUD at the time and long time friend and Texas
> > neighbor
> > > of President Bush, received a discounted mortgage for himself and sought
> > > one for his daughter. "In 2003, using V.I.P. loans for nearly $1 million
> > > apiece, Franklin Raines <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines>,
> > > Fannie Mae's chairman and C.E.O. from 1999 to 2004, twice refinanced his
> > > seven-bedroom home, which has a pool and movie
> > > theater."[16]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-deal-15>
>
> > > Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi>'s
> > > son, Paul Pelosi, Jr., also received a loan with Countrywide. Barbara
> > > Boxer<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer>
> > > , Adam H. Putnam <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_H._Putnam>, Richard
> > C.
> > > Holbrooke <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Holbrooke>, James E.
> > > Clyburn <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Clyburn>, and Donna
> > > Shalala<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Shalala> are
> > > also among those with mortgages from Countrywide.
>
> > > CBS News <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_News> has obtained the
> > following
> > > list of then-Fannie Mae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae>
> > employees
> > > whose names have been turned over to investigators as having received VIP
> > > loans from Countrywide:[17]<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-16>
>
> > >    - Sandra Adams: Fannie Mae Account Associate
> > >    - Nitirwork Armstrong: Fannie Mae Director
> > >    - Gregg Ayres: Fannie Mae Customer Acct Manager
> > >    - Jeffrey Baker: Fannie Mae Business Analyst
> > >    - Ingrid Beckles: Freddie Mac VP Default Mgmt
> > >    - Cherry Billings: Fannie Mae Asst to CEO
> > >    - Christine Buckley: Fannie Mae Sr Assistant
> > >    - Sharon Canavan: Fannie Mae Govt Relations/Lobbyist
> > >    - Delynn Conley: Fannie Mae Underwriter
> > >    - Carla Corpuz: Fannie Mae Senior Underwriter
> > >    - Tanguy De Carbonnieres: Fannie Mae Legal Counsel
> > >    - Bernard Deane: Fannie Mae Director
> > >    - Mollie Dougherty: Fannie Mae Sr Business Manager
> > >    - Roy Downey: Fannie Mae Director
> > >    - Cynthia Fatica: Fannie Mae Legal Counsel
> > >    - Jamie Gorelick <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick>:
> > Fannie
> > >    Mae Vice Chair
> > >    - Lizbeth Grant: Fannie Mae Director Tec/Secondary Mkt
> > >    - Greta Hamilton: Fannie Mae Manager/Home Loans
> > >    - Lester Handy: Fannie Mae Consultant
> > >    - James Johnson: Fannie Mae Chairman and CEO
> > >    - Jack King: Fannie Mae Manager
> > >    - Karen King: Fannie Mae Credit Risk manager
> > >    - Gerald Langbauer: Freddie Mac VP Sales
> > >    - Derek Lowe: Fannie Mae Technician/Home Loans
> > >    - Mary Lee Moriarity: Fannie Mae Sr Underwriter Consult/Lending
> > >    - Daniel Mudd: Fannie Mae Vice Chair and COO
> > >    - Paulette Porter: Fannie Mae Sr Proj Mgr/Mtg Securities
> > >    - Alan Quirion: Freddie Mac Director
> > >    - John Radwanski: Freddie Mac Sr Port Director
> > >    - Franklin Raines: Fannie Mae Chairman and CEO
> > >    - Robin Ramsay: Fannie Mae Customer Acct Manager
> > >    - Rebecca Rosena: Fannie Mae Credit Risk manager
> > >    - Irwin Rosenstein: Fannie Mae Ass. General Counsel
> > >    - Robert Sanborn: Fannie Mae Vice President
> > >    - William Shirreffs: Fannie Mae Director
> > >    - Joseph Silva: Fannie Mae Servicing Portfolio Manager
> > >    - Donna Simpson: Fannie Mae Customer Acct Manager
> > >    - Michelle Sorensen: Fannie Mae Sr Business An/Mortgage
> > >    - Mary Ann Staley: Fannie Mae Marketing Dir
> > >    - Deborah Kay: Tretler Fannie Mae VP Risk Management
> > >    - Kirk Willison: Freddie Mac VP Trade Relations/Dir Industry Relations
> > >    - David Yoon: Fannie Mae Acct Associate
>
> > > [edit<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angelo_Mozilo&action=edit&s...>
> > > ]
>
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Re: NBC-Marist Survey: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama

Have you read Gingrich's energy policy?
---
yes, I've read it
his economic policies don't bother me ... it's his support of
interventionism that makes him the enemy

On Dec 6, 7:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you read Gingrich's energy policy?
>
> http://www.newt.org/solutions/american-energy-plan
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:41 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > He will restore confidence in our Nation once again,
> > among other things,  predominately "righting"  the wrongs that have
> > happened the last eight to twelve years in our federal government.
> > ---
> > yes, things need to be corrected, but what newt will be forced to do
> > in the ME is dangerous for America. Interventionism for oil and israel
> > is a failed policy.
>
> > the USA cannot rule over the muslim world
>
> > On Dec 6, 4:24 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Sometimes the truth hurts PlainOl'......Zionist warmonger pig is an
> > > incorrect assumption,  Mr. Gingrich is the best thing that can happen to
> > > America right now.  He will restore confidence in our Nation once again,
> > > among other things,  predominately "righting"  the wrongs that have
> > > happened the last eight to twelve years in our federal government.
>
> > > As I have said to you previously, start practicing saying:  "Mr.
> > President
> > > Gingrich, Sir".
>
> > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:45 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > newt is a liar, a warmonger and a zionist pig to be ignored
>
> > > > he couldn't beat Obama with a pack of marines
>
> > > > On Dec 6, 8:23 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Geesh.....Crackpots are now adopting Moonbat tactics!  Say it loud
> > enough
> > > > > and long enough, and maybe someone will believe it.....
>
> > > > > Here's the actual poll numbers,  Paul is insignificant in Iowa, as
> > he is
> > > > > everywhere else.   The only one right now that can beat Obama is of
> > > > course,
> > > > > our next President,  Newt Gingrich:
>
> >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam...
>
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 05 Dec 2011
> > > > > > *NBC-Marist Survey: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama
>
> > > > > > *Ron Paul continues to measure up well to Barack Obama in Iowa in
> > > > > > head-to-head matchups. According to an NBC-Marist survey conducted
> > Nov.
> > > > > > 27-29 among 2,896 registered voters, Paul ties Obama, with each
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > garnering 42 percent of the vote. Paul's Republican rivals fare
> > > > > > significantly worse against the presumed Democrat nominee.
>
> > > > > > Ron Paul leads Obama 42 to 35 percent among independent voters and
> > > > > > attracts 15 percent of Iowa's Democrats. Paul also leads Obama by
> > 14
> > > > > > percentage points among voters under 45 years of age.
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Re: Fwd: [New post] Why Cain Supporters and Others Should Back Gary Johnson

a legitimate contender for the presidency of the United States
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Newt has no chance of beating Obama. He should step aside.

On Dec 6, 8:38 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello PlainOl';
>
> I have now spent almost an hour trying to verify these purported Newt
> Gingrich quotes.   Most all of them are unverifiable, and I believe that if
> Mr. Gingrich had actually said such statements,  (such as:  "Give the park
> police more ammo.")  there would have been far more media coverage.   In
> fact, there are three original web sites that first posted this quote, and
> from there, it has been repeated on countless web sites.....Again, not one
> original site has a verifiable place, date or time when Mr. Gingrich
> allegedly made such a statement.
>
> This is typical Moonbattery, and you are now getting caught up in trying to
> smear a legitimate contender for the presidency of the United States with
> Bull Hockey.
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:50 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > 1. "I'm not a natural leader. I'm too intellectual; I'm too abstract;
> > I think too much."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, admitting that he's an intellectual elite incapable of
> > leading.
>
> > 2. "If the Soviet empire still existed, I'd be terrified. The fact is,
> > we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, saying that it's okay for the President to be
> > ignorant.
>
> > 3. "The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money
> > from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist
> > argument."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, arguing that it's okay for politicians to be bought
> > and paid for.
>
> > 4. "Give the park police more ammo." ~Newt Gingrich, responding to a
> > reporter who asked what to do about the homeless a few days after the
> > police shot a homeless man in front of the White House.
>
> > 5.  "The problem isn't too little money in political campaigns, but
> > not enough."
> > ~Newt Gingrich on campaign finance reform.
>
> > 6. "I have enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire
> > planet. And I'm doing it. I am now a famous person. I represent real
> > power."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, blowing his own horn.
>
> > 7. "Gingrich – Primary mission, Advocate of civilization, Definer of
> > civilization, Teacher of the rules of civilization, Leader of the
> > civilizing forces."
> > ~ Newt Gingrich, blowing his own horn.
>
> > 8. "The most serious, systematic revolutionary of modern times."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, blowing his own horn.
>
> > 9. "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to
> > say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter
> > what I live."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, saying we should do as he says, regardless of what he
> > actually does.
>
> > 10. "This is one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration.
> > The more successful they've been at intercepting and stopping bad
> > guys, the less proof there is that we're in danger…. It's almost like
> > they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get
> > through just to remind us."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, at a book talk in Huntington, NY, April 2008, saying
> > that Republicans should allow terrorist attacks on American soil to
> > remind us of the dangers in the world.
>
> > 11. "Now, we don't get rid of it in round one because we don't think
> > that that's politically smart, and we don't think that's the right way
> > to go through a transition. But we believe it's going to wither on the
> > vine because we think people are voluntarily going to leave it —
> > voluntarily."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, admitting that while they won't kill Medicare
> > outright, Republicans will try to make it wither on the vine and die.
>
> > 12. "She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's
> > wife."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, talking about his first wife after divorcing her.
>
> > 13. "I read Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them and I found
> > frightening pieces that related to…my own life."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, talking about his problems with women.
>
> > 14. "It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping
> > children in child laws which are truly stupid…These schools should get
> > rid of unionized janitors, have one master janitor, pay local students
> > to take care of the school."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, advocating for an end to child labor laws so
> > businesses can fire union workers and replace them with cheap labor.
>
> > 15. "We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English
> > so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the
> > language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto."
> > ~Newt Gingrich. Two years later, Gingrich unveils a new Spanish-
> > language website, The Americano.
>
> > 16. "The left-wing Democrats will represent the party of total
> > hedonism, total exhibitionism, total bizarreness, total weirdness, and
> > the total right to cripple innocent people in the name of letting
> > hooligans loose."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, smearing Democrats when in fact it's Republicans who
> > want to cripple innocent people. Remember when they cheered for
> > letting a man without health insurance die? And speaking of
> > exhibitionism and bizarreness, have you seen the Republican
> > Presidential field?
>
> > 17. "These people are sick. They are so consumed by their own power,
> > by a Mussolini-like ego, that their willingness to run over normal
> > human beings and to destroy honest institutions is unending."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, once again smearing Democrats, but telling the
> > complete truth about himself and the GOP. Republicans want to kill
> > Medicare and Social Security, the EPA, and several other honest
> > institutions that serve normal human beings. Speaking of running over
> > normal human beings, remember when Republicans cheered for letting a
> > man without health insurance die?
>
> > 18. "I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican party
> > is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be
> > neat, obedient, and loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words."
> > ~Newt Gingrich, advocating for hateful rhetoric and smearing opponents
> > with lies.
>
> > On Dec 5, 9:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:58 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > Johnson is an open border advocate ... not cic material
>
> > > > On Dec 5, 11:24 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > For those of you thinking of going to the GOProud Christmas party on
> > > > > Capitol Hill tonight ($50 to GoProud) this may sway to to thinking
> > it is
> > > > OK
> > > > > to support them financially
>
> > > > > **
> > > > >           New post on *Red Barron*
> > > > > <http://therealredbarron.com/author/chrisrbarron/>  Why Cain
> > Supporters
> > > > and
> > > > > Others Should Back Gary
> > > > > Johnson<
> > > >http://therealredbarron.com/2011/12/05/why-cain-supporters-and-others..
> > .>
> > > > > by
> > > > > chrisrbarron <http://therealredbarron.com/author/chrisrbarron/>
>
> > > > > Today, in the wake of the end of the Herman Cain campaign, I have
> > chosen
> > > > to
> > > > > endorse former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson for President.  This
> > > > > endorsement is a personal one - GOProud has made NO endorsement and
> > > > indeed
> > > > > our leadership team supports a wide range of candidates. From the
> > Daily
> > > > > Caller: This past weekend was a [...]
>
> > > > > Read more of this
> > > > > post<
> > > >http://therealredbarron.com/2011/12/05/why-cain-supporters-and-others..
> > .>
> > > > >   *chrisrbarron <http://therealredbarron.com/author/chrisrbarron/>*
> > |
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Re: 2012 Krispy Kreme Lingerie Calendar (a/c)

Winston-Salem, North Carolina

On Dec 7, 9:05 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :-)
>
> Krispy Kreme was run out of Massachusetts
>
> On Dec 4, 2:55 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >    **
>
> > *I know you've been waiting for your 2012 Krispy Kreme Lingerie Calendar..**
> > ***
>
> > *[image: Description: cid:1.1835707...@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com]*****
>
> > *AND HERE** **IT IS ! *****
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Re: Gingrich To Glenn: ‘I’m a Theodore Roosevelt Republican’

Illana missed one very important part of the quote to Glenn: 

Gingrich sought to distinguish between early Roosevelt, the Republican president, and later Roosevelt, the progressive.

"Well, that depends on which phase of Roosevelt you're talking about. The 1912, he's become a big government, centralized power advocate running an a third party candidate," Gingrich said.


On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:16 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

Gingrich To Glenn: 'I'm a Theodore Roosevelt Republican'
written by Ilana Mercer on 12.06.11

I'm a Theodore Roosevelt Republican. In fact, if I were going to characterize my -- on health where I come from, I'm a Theodore Roosevelt Republican and I believe government can lean in the regulatory leaning is okay. -- Newt Gingrich (the gibberish too).

To some -- perhaps many -- Republicans, to be a Theodore Roosevelt Republican is quite respectable. Therein lies the rub. If you're the type of (Robert) Taft Republican who values your life, liberty and property -- then Teddy Roosevelt, "the guy who started the Progressive Party," and was a proponent of "progressive ideals" -- is bad news.

If you didn't already know Newt was bad news; then Glenn Beck makes it abundantly clear. Especially politically poignant is Newt's folksy retelling of Teddy's food safety awakening.

About "'TR's drummed up a phony 'food safety crisis,'" Thomas J. DiLorenzo observed the following:

… there were no epidemics related to commercial food processing" in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Roosevelt's "pure food laws" were aimed "at protecting producers," not the general public. For example, as Powell recounts, some of these early laws set exceptionally high regulatory standards on imported foods as a form of veiled protectionism. Food inspection laws during the Roosevelt era were invariably favored by larger corporations who understood that the laws would disproportionately harm their smaller competitors. "The 1906 Pure Food And Drugs Act empowered the Agriculture Department's notorious quack, Harvey Washington Wiley, to conduct crazy crusades against foods competing with the interest groups he served" (mostly larger corporate interests).

In Into the Cannibal's Pot, I mention the hundreds of thousands of Filipinos whom TR killed.

In all, TR was happiest when he was killing. Like many a mass murderer, TR began his career by killing animals, one biographer alleging that "after an argument with his girlfriend a young Teddy Roosevelt went home and shot his neighbor's dog."

Glenn mocks the self-important Speaker: "… So you're a minimum regulation guy on making sure the people don't fall into the vats of sausage?"

Yes, Newt Gingrich got mince-up well in the Glenn grinder.


http://barelyablog.com/?p=45280

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Re: Newt Gingrich Is in Love With Himself

This is hilarious!  It shows the deep fear that Moonbats, socialists and communists have of Newt!
 
Thanks for sharing Michael!
 


 
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:49 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

Newt Gingrich Is in Love With Himself
Newt Gingrich's self-love is boundless. Unearthing a string of quotes going back to the 1980s, Kirsten Powers looks at the former House speaker's long record of self-infatuation.
Kirsten Powers
Dec 7, 2011 4:45 AM EST

"I told somebody at one point [of my presidential campaign], 'This is like watching Walton or Kroc develop Walmart and McDonald's.'" So said Newt Gingrich, whose presidential campaign boasts roughly 40 staff members.

"I am going to be the nominee," the modern-day Narcissus declared while gazing at his reflection in the polls.

"I am much like [Ronald] Reagan and Margaret Thatcher," the man who was run out of Congress in disgrace and is despised by nearly every conservative who has ever worked with him recently mused to CNN.

"I don't want my country to collapse. I don't want my daughter and wife raped and killed," Speaker Gingrich told a stunned Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter in 1994 in explaining why America, nay, the world, needed him. After all, he told her, "People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz."

And they said Al Gore was an exaggerator.

Self-aggrandizing distortions of reality have been Gingrich's hallmark for decades. Most recently, he redescribed his sleazy lobbying for conservative bête noire Freddie Mac as the work of a "historian." It's not hard to envisage that in the delusional swirl known as Newt's thought life this is true. Only in the confines of his gray matter could it make sense that a man who wrote his Ph.D. dissertation on Belgian educational policy in the Congo would be sought out by Freddie Mac for historical advice.

"People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live," Gingrich explained to Wife No. 2, who was confused that he was dumping her for his mistress the day after giving a speech on family values.

GOP Sen. Tom Coburn, who does not count himself a fan of Gingrich, referred Sunday to the former speaker having "one standard for the people [he is] leading and a different standard for [himself]." This is because narcissists cannot function without double standards. After all, what kind of mental gymnastics had to occur for Speaker Gingrich to argue that President Bill Clinton should be impeached for lying under oath about an affair with a staffer while Gingrich was carrying on an affair with a staffer?

Newt's fantastical repurposing of reality is amusing. Until you imagine him propagating another reign of tantrums on America, and on a much grander scale.

But this occurred during an era that was riddled with bizarre Gingrich antics. The most famous was Gingrich forcing a government shutdown because Bill Clinton didn't talk to him on Air Force One while they were flying back from a funeral. With no sense of embarrassment, Gingrich told reporters, "It's petty, but I think it's human."

On one level, Newt's narcissistic self-involvement and fantastical repurposing of reality is amusing. Until you consider he could potentially have an opportunity to propagate another reign of tantrums on America, but on a much grander scale.

But he has changed, say his supporters. He has matured. He's different.

Did you hear about the time Newt Gingrich compared the mild-mannered Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to Joseph Stalin? It was three months ago. Perhaps it's not a coincidence that a newt is a cold-blooded animal known for releasing a toxic residue that can be severely irritating.

"I was charging $60,000 a speech," Gingrich, bragged last week, of his pre-presidential-run days. So wrapped up in his own grandiosity is he that he never felt it was inappropriate to say such things to supporters at a shopping mall in South Carolina where the median annual income for a family of four is about $58,000.

"I helped Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp develop supply-side economics," the "new" Newt announced last week, which no doubt caused considerable shock to economist Arthur Laffer.

"I helped lead the effort to defeat communism in the Congress," Gingrich claimed in the same interview. Busy man!

Republican New York Rep. Peter King­who served under Speaker Gingrich­ told a reporter last week, "[Gingrich has] a superiority complex­and I don't think he had that much to be superior about."

In brainstorming notes unearthed in the 1997 House Ethics investigation of Gingrich, he had scribbled: "Gingrich­primary mission: advocate of civilization, definer of civilization, teacher of the rules of civilization, arouser of those who fan civilization, organizer of the pro-civilization activists, leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces."

David Boaz, a vice president at the libertarian Cato Institute­a hotbed of anti-Gingrich sentiment­told me, "My main concern is you don't want this guy's finger on the button. He is a megalomaniac and volatile."

Yesterday morning on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough, who was an active member of the '94 GOP revolution, said bluntly, "Newt Gingrich is a bad person [politically]."  Scarborough has turned his morning show into a passionate one-man "Stop Newt" campaign, ringing the alarm bell that Newt is dangerous.

Will anybody listen? To date, Gingrich is surging to the top of the polls, with potential voters seemingly impervious to Gingrich's dark side.

So far. Remember, a month ago it was Herman Cain who was riding high. Gingrich has had the good fortune of peaking late, after the other anti-Mitt contenders have crashed and burned.

Boaz sees Gingrich's top-tier status ending when voters are more informed about him. He says, "Most people have lives and don't follow politics that closely. People have short memories. His 15 minutes aren't up yet, but they will be. There has been this desperate search for the anti-Mitt Romney. Gingrich seems like a plausible national leader but he will shoot his mouth off and people will notice it. It will move people back to Romney when they realize [the truth] about Newt."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/06/kirsten-powers-newt-gingrich-is-in-love-with-himself.html

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Toys For Snots Contest Winner


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Obama Invokes Teddy Roosevelt to Press Agenda


Not JUST Obama, but Newt Gingrich ... "I'm a Theodore Roosevelt Republican."


Obama Invokes Teddy Roosevelt to Press Agenda
"President Obama came to this tiny middle American town [Osawatomie, Kan.] Tuesday to invoke the spirit of a long-ago Republican president in a speech that laid out, in his sharpest language yet, the economic and social arguments he will probably use against Republicans in 2012…. The president chose this town of 4,600 in eastern Kansas as a historical echo of a speech delivered a century earlier by Theodore Roosevelt, who used the same location to call for a strong central government that would protect ordinary Americans from what he called the greed and recklessness of big business and special interests." ( Washington Post)

TR loved bureaucracy and war.

Theodore Roosevelt, Big-Government Man
Jim Powell
March 2010 • Volume: 60 • Issue: 2 •

Theodore Roosevelt has been known as "the Good Roosevelt," "the Republican Roosevelt," and "the conservative Roosevelt," as distinguished from his fifth cousin Franklin, who's credited with ushering in modern American big government.

Yet promoters of big government have long recognized TR as one of their own.

Biographer Frank Freidel wrote that "While at Groton [Franklin Delano Roosevelt] first fell under the spell of his remote cousin Theodore Roosevelt. . . . Theodore Roosevelt believed in using to the utmost the constitutional power of the president. . . . This strong use of government was for the most part appealing to Franklin." During the Great Depression, FDR promoted "a program emphasizing national planning in the tradition of Theodore Roosevelt." Freidel noted that "in words reminiscent of Theodore Roosevelt, FDR declared 'the duty rests upon the Government to restrict incomes by very high taxes.'"

Historian Eric F. Goldman said that Lyndon Johnson, who simultaneously launched huge domestic entitlement spending programs and escalated the undeclared Vietnam War, admired "the hyperactive White House of Theodore Roosevelt." LBJ reportedly remarked, "Whenever I pictured Teddy Roosevelt, I saw him running or riding, always moving, his fists clenched, his eyes glaring, speaking out."

Richard M. Nixon, who dramatically expanded federal regulation of the economy, liked Theodore Roosevelt "because of his great dynamic drive and ability to mobilize a young country."

In recent years, influential Republicans like Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, and John McCain have gushed with admiration for TR.

For starters, TR reinterpreted the Constitution to permit a vast expansion of executive power. "Congress, he felt, must obey the president," noted biographer Henry Pringle. Roosevelt wanted the Supreme Court to obey him too. TR ushered in the practice of ruling by executive order, bypassing the congressional process. From Lincoln to TR's predecessor William McKinley, there were 158 executive orders. TR, during his seven years in office, issued 1,007. He ranks third, behind fellow "progressives" Woodrow Wilson (1,791) and Franklin Roosevelt (3,723) in that category.


Unintended Consequences of Foreign Wars

Theodore Roosevelt, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, believed that "we should regard with contempt and loathing the Americans . . . crying on behalf of peace, peace, when there ought not to be peace." He warned against "the Menace of Peace."

When, in 1892, there was a dispute with Chile, he urged an invasion. As a lieutenant-colonel with his Rough Riders, on a ship bound for Cuba, he wrote Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge: "You must get Manila and Hawaii; you must prevent any talk of peace until we get Puerto Rico and the Philippines as well as secure the independence of Cuba."

TR relished the prospect of war with Canada. In 1895, he wrote Lodge: "I don't care whether our sea coast cities are bombarded or not, we would take Canada." In a letter to his brother-in-law Will Cowles, Roosevelt said that the U.S. army would "have to employ a lot of men just as green as I am for the conquest of Canada."

As president, Roosevelt reversed the traditional U. S. foreign policy of refraining from intervention in the affairs of other nations. Intervention had been the exception, but he began to make it the rule.

TR promoted a big navy not to defend the country from a specific threat­since there wasn't any threat­but to be a tool for an expansionist foreign policy. "The primary concern of Roosevelt and his fellow-expansionists," observed historian Howard K. Beale, "was power and prestige and the naval strength that would bring power and prestige."

TR's most controversial intervention involved the seizure of the Isthmus of Panama, which had belonged to Colombia. He resolved to build a canal connecting the Atlantic and Pacific oceans so the U.S. navy could be more easily mobilized in either ocean. Historian David McCullough observed that "Roosevelt's haste, his refusal­his inability­to see the Colombian position on the treaty as anything other than a 'holdup,' were tragically mistaken and inexcusable." Is it prudent to have a U.S. president who seizes foreign territory when convenient?

TR's other interventions­in Venezuela, the Dominican Republic, and Nicaragua­were small by later standards, aimed mainly at helping European investors collect debts from deadbeat Latin American dictators so that European governments wouldn't establish a military presence in the Western Hemisphere. But his aggressive advocacy of intervention undoubtedly made his successors feel more comfortable about entering foreign wars, which have killed Americans when the United States wasn't under attack, triggered nationalist reactions that supported dictators, and multiplied the number of foreign enemies, complicating efforts to maintain our national security.


TR's "Conservation" Subsidies

Roosevelt backed schemes that helped western-state politicians gain more clout. State-subsidized irrigation projects before TR aimed at attracting farmers who would try to grow crops in western deserts, but all these projects lost money. Roosevelt thought this experience didn't apply to him, and in the name of "reclamation" he decided that the federal government should promote desert farming.

Hence the Reclamation Act of 1902. Every western senator and congressman scrambled to get on board for a subsidized reclamation project. Nevada Senator Francis Newlands, for example, was particularly anxious about his state's declining population. To secure political backing, reclamation projects had to be spread around, and many locations didn't make any sense. They guaranteed losses.

TR's subsidized reclamation brought widespread financial ruin. Farmers who had no prior experience with irrigation overwatered their crops, their irrigation systems became clogged with silt, and they obligated themselves to pay for more acreage than they could handle. Many farmers quit, taxpayers were socked to cover the losses, and desert populations declined.

And despite TR's reputation as a foe of private monopolies, he approved unfair government practices that squeezed out private dam builders and helped the Bureau of Reclamation gain a dam-building monopoly. The Bureau of Reclamation became a vast federal bureaucracy with some 600 dams and reservoirs in 17 western states.

It led to waste on a colossal scale. More water has been lost due to evaporation from reservoirs in hot deserts than has been needed for human consumption in major western cities. It has been estimated that every year perhaps a million acre-feet of water­enough to supply Los Angeles­are lost, seeping into Lake Powell's canyon walls and evaporating in the desert sun.


Big-Government Bungling

Theodore Roosevelt challenged the prevailing American view that land-use decisions are best made by private individuals who have a stake in improving the value of their property. He throttled the privatization of land that had been going on for more than a century. In 1905 TR transferred millions of acres of government land from the Department of the Interior to the Department of Agriculture and established the U. S. Forest Service to manage it.

It's because he substantially limited privatization that today national forests account for about 20 percent of the land in the 11 westernmost states of the lower 48. Altogether, the federal government controls about a third of the land in the United States.

The rationale for "national forests" was that America supposedly faced a "timber famine." Gifford Pinchot, first head of the Forest Service, warned that America would run out of timber within 20 years. TR claimed that selfish private individuals were squandering America's resources and only public-spirited federal bureaucrats could be counted on to manage them. Despite Pinchot's claims about "scientific" forestry, the "timber famine" never happened.

Nor did Pinchot actually conserve much. Cattlemen overgrazed their herds on national forest lands precisely because it was common property. In effect, nobody owned it. If one person's herds didn't eat all the grass, somebody else's herds would get it, so the incentive was to consume as much as possible. Similarly, nobody had an incentive to maintain the value of common property because the benefits might go to someone else.

TR enforced the "best" conservation policies throughout the country. Fire was considered bad for forests, so the Forest Service fought fires everywhere, and Smokey the Bear became famous. By suppressing fire for decades, deadwood built up and trees grew more densely. Moreover, Forest Service officials, in their alleged wisdom, ordered less logging, which accelerated the buildup of combustibles in national forests. Increasingly, instead of having many smaller fires to deal with, they faced huge conflagrations, which are harder to fight and more destructive.

Roosevelt used federal power to establish five national parks as well as 51 wildlife refuges and 150 national forests, yet they all seem to have suffered from inadequate maintenance at one time or another. For example, since TR thought parks were for big game, park rangers slaughtered wolves, cougars, and other predators. Soaring elk populations consumed so much vegetation that beavers disappeared. Park rangers closed garbage dumps where bears feasted, and as a result starving bears raided campgrounds. They were slaughtered, too. Parks have been polluted by poorly maintained sewage systems because their gate receipts went to Washington and they had difficulty competing with bigger government programs for funding. Hope Babcock, former general counsel of the National Audubon Society, lamented TR's legacy: "Few would assert that the historical institutional paradigm for managing the nation's public lands has protected the natural resource values of those lands."


"Trust-Busting" That Suppressed Competition

The rationale for antitrust laws and TR's "trust busting" was the idea that, left alone, a free market tends to develop monopolies and government intervention is required to maintain competition. There was more than a little hypocrisy in this since TR supported high tariffs, which helped politically connected business interests by suppressing competition and in the process ripped off American consumers far more than any monopoly. In fact, it had been said that the "tariff is the mother of the trusts."

Nevertheless, Roosevelt demonized businessmen as "malefactors of great wealth," a phrase later used by his cousin during his anti-business crusades. TR's attorney general, Philander Knox, filed lawsuits to break up private companies, starting in 1902 with Northern Securities (a railroad holding company). The most famous antitrust lawsuits resulted in the breakup of American Tobacco Company and the Standard Oil Company in 1911, after Roosevelt left office.

Yet for more than two decades output had been expanding and prices had been falling in the American economy­the opposite of what one would expect with a lot of monopolies. Despite Roosevelt's allegations about railroad monopolies (which were largely built with government subsidies), in the previous half-century railroad mileage in the United States had expanded more than 250-fold to 258,784 miles, and railroad rates were falling. Cheaper railroad rates undermined local monopolies by giving people the choice of buying economically priced goods from far away. Regardless, TR signed the Hepburn and Elkins acts, which strengthened the Interstate Commerce Commission's power to control competition by regulating railroad rates.

Historian Gabriel Kolko observed, "The dominant tendency in the American economy at the beginning of this [twentieth] century was toward growing competition. Competition was unacceptable to many key business and financial interests, and the merger movement was to a large extent a reflection of voluntary, unsuccessful business efforts to bring irresistible competitive trends under control." (Kolko went on to establish that the progressive "reforms of the early twentieth century were backed by big business as a way to restrain competition and protect market share.")

Mounting evidence shows that monopolies are rare in free markets, as changing consumer tastes, changing business conditions, new technologies, and new competitors both foreign and domestic (when free) relentlessly challenge established companies. With very few exceptions, monopolies have persisted only when government has enforced barriers to entry that prevent new or old companies from competing in a market. Licenses, monopoly franchises, and trade restrictions are among the most common government-enforced barriers to entry.

Alarmed at the increasing size of major industrial corporations (which were often helped by tariffs and other kinds of privileges), many people didn't seem to realize that markets were expanding even faster­corporations were increasingly serving national and international markets. John D. Rockefeller earned his fortune refining kerosene from western Pennsylvania oil, but rivals discovered oil fields in Kansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas, and California as well as overseas. New products like Thomas Edison's electric lights attracted customers away from kerosene lamps, and Henry Ford's cheap Model T cars needed gasoline, a petroleum product that enabled new oil companies to establish themselves. Rockefeller's Standard Oil thrived because it was a low-cost competitor, investing in cost-cutting technology, yet so intense was the competition that its market share declined. There would have been more competition had TR focused on lowering tariffs and repealing corporate privileges, and refrained from attacking big discounters like Standard Oil.

It's past time to evaluate Theodore Roosevelt and other progressives not according to their personalities and speeches, but according to their actions and consequences.

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