Saturday, August 20, 2011

**JP** About Karachi Violence







ماں یا بنجر پہاڑی
مرے بیٹے کو جس نے گولیاں ماریں
تشدد سے بدن کاٹا
اکہری انگلیاں توڑیں
مرے بچے کو بوری جس نے پہنائی
مجھے اس سے ملوا دو
میں دیکھوں اس کے خوں آلود ہاتھوں کو
کھلی سفاک آنکھوں کو
بھری ممتا سے پھر پوچھوں
کہ اس کی ماں مرے جیسی کوئی عورت ہے
یا بنجر پہاڑی ہے۔

ایدھی کی پرنٹڈ ملگجی چادر
مرا بیٹا تو سوتے میں کبھی چہرہ نہیں ڈھکتا
ہٹاوٴ ، سر سے یہ چادر
یہ ایدھی کی پرنٹڈ
ملگجی چادر

شناخت
کوئی لینے نہیں آیا 
یہ سارے مرے بیٹے ہیں
یہ سارے ایک جیسے ہیں
انہیں میں لے کے جا?ں گی
سوزوکی میں انہیں ایسے لٹا?
نیند نہ ٹوٹے
رجسٹرلے کے آوٴ، ڈاکٹر
میں دستخط کر دو ں

خوشبو
انہیں پہچاننا مشکل ہے
چہرے مسخ ہیں لیکن
مجھے تو اس کی خوشبو آ رہی ہے
یہیں اس ڈھیر میں سویا ہوا ہے
اسے سحری نہیں میں دے سکی
روٹھا ہوا ہے

بہن
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مجھے اس سرد خانے میں تو آنے دو
کہ اس کے ہاتھ میں وہ چوڑیاں
مہندی ربن ہوں گے
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Re: Ron Paul’s Exchange with Santorum Says It All

I would ask one question about Ron Paul and the other candidates and
it is this. How many times compared to the others have you heard Ron
Paul say what he would do other than what we should do as a nation?
Ron Paul is more of a Statesman than a Politician

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I find both humorous, but at the same time troublesome, is that the
> writer of this epistle doesn't have his facts correct.    "They"  being
> those that call themselves "Libertarian";  really "don't get it".
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Tell me, just how many more times must this single encounter be
>> "translated" so we can understand it??
>>
>> That so many fine authors want to put  such a short list of short
>> encounters in front of me with such long in-depth definitions and
>> explanations is so very Republican/Democratic of them.
>>
>> I was under the impression that the best thing about Paul supporters
>> was that they "get it". Those that don't "get it" probably never
>> will.
>>
>> Just what is to be gained by boring the piss out of me and making sure
>> that I ignore the next 20 minute article about a 5 minute
>> conversation?
>>
>> Answer... I will ignore all that follow whether about new info or
>> not.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 5:53 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>> > Friday, August 19, 2011Ron Paul s Exchange with Santorum Says It Allby
>> > Jacob G. Hornberger
>> > The exchange over Iran between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the recent
>> > Republican presidential debate goes a long way in explaining why the
>> > mainstream statists, including those in the Republican Party and the
>> > mainstream media, wish that libertarians would just go away.
>> > Santorum pointed to 1979, the year of the Iranian revolution, when the
>> > Iranian people took U.S. diplomats hostage and held them in captivity for
>> > about a year. Santorum pointed to that pivotal event to show that the United
>> > States has been at war with Iran ever since.
>> > For statists, Santorum s point is the end of the discussion. The U.S.
>> > government is good. It is innocent. It was just minding its own business
>> > when Iranian revolutionaries attacked our country without any reason
>> > whatsoever.
>> > We saw the same phenomenon after the 9/11 attacks. They just hate us for
>> > our freedom and values, U.S. officials cried. We were just minding our own
>> > business when the terrorists decided to kill Americans. The sentiment was
>> > the mindset of American statists.
>> > And what happens if a libertarian says, Wait a minute. The story isn t
>> > that simple. Let s look at what motivated these foreigners to do these
>> > things. Let s examine what the U.S. government has been doing in foreign
>> > affairs ?
>> > Well, we all know what happens. The statists go ballistic, both in
>> > politics and in mainstream newspapers across the land. Oh, you re blaming
>> > America! You hate our country! You must be a terrorist yourself. America,
>> > love our government or leave our country!
>> > In fact, Paul s exchange with Santorum wasn t the first time this has
>> > happened. Recall that famous debate exchange between Paul and Rudy Guliani
>> > four years ago. Paul pointed out that the terrorists came here on 9/11 to
>> > kill us because our government had been over there for years killing them.
>> > Guliani went ballistic, as did his fellow statists on the stage. Their
>> > fellow statists in the mainstream media went crazy too. No one, and
>> > certainly not a presidential candidate, is supposed to say such things. It s
>> > considered beyond the pale. Everyone knows that our government is good,
>> > wise, and benevolent, believes in freedom and democracy, and would never do
>> > anything bad to foreigners.
>> > Yet, that s actually when Ron Paul s 2008 presidential campaign took
>> > off. Tens of thousands of ordinary Americans instinctively knew that here
>> > was a man who wasn t feeding them pabulum. Here was a man who had the
>> > courage to speak the truth about U.S. foreign policy. He was willing to
>> > observe openly that the emperor wore no clothes.
>> > And that s why the statists wish that Ron Paul would just go away. It s
>> > why they wish libertarians would just go away. That s why they resent us. We
>> > cause people to confront reality, which is sometimes not a comfortable thing
>> > to do. In a sense, we libertarians are therapists, people who help their
>> > patients confront realities that are oftentimes quite painful to face.
>> > Look at the drug war. The statists just want to keep doing what they ve
>> > been doing for 40 years -- busting drug sellers, busting drug users, and
>> > locking people up for the rest of their lives. Along come libertarians and
>> > point out the utter inanity of the whole thing. The never-ending deaths,
>> > destruction, corruption, violence, gang wars, and infringements on privacy
>> > and liberty. Libertarians say: End this idiocy by legalizing drugs.
>> > But that s considered outside the pale for the statists. It s okay to
>> > call for reform of such programs. But abolition? Oh my gosh! I wish those
>> > libertarians would just shut up and go away. Everything is working out so
>> > fine without them.
>> > Look at how Ron Paul responded to Santorum. He explained to Santorum
>> > that the history of bad relations between Iran and the United States did not
>> > begin in 1979 but rather in 1953. That was the year that the CIA, the U.S.
>> > government s secret intelligence force, entered into Iran and ousted the
>> > democratically elected prime minister of the country, Mohammed Mossadegh, a
>> > man who had been named Time Magazine s Man of the Year.
>> > Why did the CIA do that? No, not for freedom and democracy, as the
>> > statists would like to believe. Instead, the CIA interfered with the
>> > internal affairs of Iran to retaliate for Mossadegh s nationalization of
>> > British oil concessions. Yes, the CIA s anti-democracy coup was about oil,
>> > not freedom and democracy.
>> > In fact, having ousted a democratically elected prime minister, the CIA
>> > proceeded to install a non-elected brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran, into
>> > power. The CIA then proceeded to train and work closely with the Shah s
>> > counterpart to the CIA, his brutal and tortuous Savak intelligence force.
>> > The Shah then proceeded to impose one of the harshest dictatorial regimes in
>> > the world on the Iranian people, with the full support of the CIA and the
>> > rest of the U.S. government.
>> > Of course, U.S. officials didn t care one whit what the Shah was doing
>> > to the Iranian people. All that mattered was that he was our friend.
>> > Imagine if Savak had assassinated John Kennedy in order to get Lyndon
>> > Johnson into power. How would the American people feel about that some 50
>> > years later? I ll tell you: the deep anger and rage would still be palpable.
>> > Well, that s how the Iranian people felt about the U.S. government in
>> > 1979. That s why they took the U.S. officials hostage. They were still angry
>> > about the CIA s ouster of their democratically elected prime minister. They
>> > were still angry about the Iranian people who had been brutalized,
>> > incarcerated, and tortured by the Shah and his goons, with the full support
>> > and cooperation of the CIA.
>> > That s what Santorum and his fellow statist cohorts don t want to
>> > confront. They want to continue living their blissful little lives of
>> > delusion. For them, the federal government is god. It is all-good. It is
>> > all-knowing. It is all-powerful. It doesn t support dictatorships. It
>> > believes in freedom and democracy. It never does bad things to people, not
>> > even conduct syphilis experiments on them.
>> > That s the myth that is inculcated in every public school across America
>> > and in most government-licensed private schools. That s the mindset that is
>> > produced in people like Santorum and the other statist candidates on that
>> > stage.
>> > It s also the mindset of the mainstream news media reporters asking the
>> > questions. That s why they feel so comfortable with the statists on stage.
>> > That s why they feel so uncomfortable whenever Ron Paul is answering their
>> > questions.
>> > Let s face it: the statists wish that libertarians had never been born
>> > and are extremely concerned about the rising popularity of libertarianism
>> > among the American people. That s why they ve done their best to lock the
>> > Libertarian Party out of the political process with their inane
>> > ballot-restriction barriers. That s why they kept Ron Paul, a long-serving
>> > congressman, out of the early presidential debates four years ago. That s
>> > why they are keeping Gary Johnson, a popular two-term governor of New
>> > Mexico, out of the current round of debates. After all, Johnson, another
>> > libertarian, is also calling for ending the drug war and bringing the troops
>> > home. Why should it surprise us that they re locking him out of the
>> > presidential debates, as they tried to do four years ago with Ron Paul?
>> > They think that if they can just keep hewing to their little myths and
>> > delusions and keep teaching them to their children in their
>> > government-approved schools, everything will be fine. If they could only
>> > shut out those pesky libertarians who confront people with truth and
>> > reality, everything would be hunky dory.
>> > But truth will out, which is why so many people are gravitating to Ron
>> > Paul. They instinctively know that he s speaking truth to power, and they
>> > can see that power doesn t like it.
>> > Ron Paul summed up the problem most eloquently when, in response to Rick
>> > Santorum, he stated, We just plain don t mind our own business. That s our
>> > problem.
>> > Of course, that s the problem with statists. They mind everyone else s
>> > business but their own.http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-08-19.asp
>>
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Re: The Patent Reform Bill

Agreed.
 


 
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Daniel Seigler <danielseigler@hotmail.com> wrote:
As International Law has no authority on this Nation, and Our Laws have no authority abroad, unless verified by Treaty, then the acceptance or even recognition of 'International Patents' is without the boundries of Your Jurisdiction.  This is just the FIRST thing wrong with this.  And as this is an intrigal part of the Bill, then removal of reference would cause the entire bill to fail.  I suggest you allow this failure to happen.






sign me
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Clarance Roland O'Neil Seigler, born in Ozark, Dale County, Alabama, son of
Thomas Malcolm Seigler, born somewhere in Alabama

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Re: Ron Paul’s Exchange with Santorum Says It All

What I find both humorous, but at the same time troublesome, is that the writer of this epistle doesn't have his facts correct.    "They"  being those that call themselves "Libertarian";  really "don't get it".
 


 
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Tell me, just how many more times must this single encounter be
"translated" so we can understand it??

That so many fine authors want to put  such a short list of short
encounters in front of me with such long in-depth definitions and
explanations is so very Republican/Democratic of them.

I was under the impression that the best thing about Paul supporters
was that they "get it". Those that don't "get it" probably never
will.

Just what is to be gained by boring the piss out of me and making sure
that I ignore the next 20 minute article about a 5 minute
conversation?

Answer... I will ignore all that follow whether about new info or
not.


On Aug 19, 5:53 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Friday, August 19, 2011Ron Paul s Exchange with Santorum Says It Allby Jacob G. Hornberger
> The exchange over Iran between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the recent Republican presidential debate goes a long way in explaining why the mainstream statists, including those in the Republican Party and the mainstream media, wish that libertarians would just go away.
> Santorum pointed to 1979, the year of the Iranian revolution, when the Iranian people took U.S. diplomats hostage and held them in captivity for about a year. Santorum pointed to that pivotal event to show that the United States has been at war with Iran ever since.
> For statists, Santorum s point is the end of the discussion. The U.S. government is good. It is innocent. It was just minding its own business when Iranian revolutionaries attacked our country without any reason whatsoever.
> We saw the same phenomenon after the 9/11 attacks. They just hate us for our freedom and values, U.S. officials cried. We were just minding our own business when the terrorists decided to kill Americans. The sentiment was the mindset of American statists.
> And what happens if a libertarian says, Wait a minute. The story isn t that simple. Let s look at what motivated these foreigners to do these things. Let s examine what the U.S. government has been doing in foreign affairs ?
> Well, we all know what happens. The statists go ballistic, both in politics and in mainstream newspapers across the land. Oh, you re blaming America! You hate our country! You must be a terrorist yourself. America, love our government or leave our country!
> In fact, Paul s exchange with Santorum wasn t the first time this has happened. Recall that famous debate exchange between Paul and Rudy Guliani four years ago. Paul pointed out that the terrorists came here on 9/11 to kill us because our government had been over there for years killing them.
> Guliani went ballistic, as did his fellow statists on the stage. Their fellow statists in the mainstream media went crazy too. No one, and certainly not a presidential candidate, is supposed to say such things. It s considered beyond the pale. Everyone knows that our government is good, wise, and benevolent, believes in freedom and democracy, and would never do anything bad to foreigners.
> Yet, that s actually when Ron Paul s 2008 presidential campaign took off. Tens of thousands of ordinary Americans instinctively knew that here was a man who wasn t feeding them pabulum. Here was a man who had the courage to speak the truth about U.S. foreign policy. He was willing to observe openly that the emperor wore no clothes.
> And that s why the statists wish that Ron Paul would just go away. It s why they wish libertarians would just go away. That s why they resent us. We cause people to confront reality, which is sometimes not a comfortable thing to do. In a sense, we libertarians are therapists, people who help their patients confront realities that are oftentimes quite painful to face.
> Look at the drug war. The statists just want to keep doing what they ve been doing for 40 years -- busting drug sellers, busting drug users, and locking people up for the rest of their lives. Along come libertarians and point out the utter inanity of the whole thing. The never-ending deaths, destruction, corruption, violence, gang wars, and infringements on privacy and liberty. Libertarians say: End this idiocy by legalizing drugs.
> But that s considered outside the pale for the statists. It s okay to call for reform of such programs. But abolition? Oh my gosh! I wish those libertarians would just shut up and go away. Everything is working out so fine without them.
> Look at how Ron Paul responded to Santorum. He explained to Santorum that the history of bad relations between Iran and the United States did not begin in 1979 but rather in 1953. That was the year that the CIA, the U.S. government s secret intelligence force, entered into Iran and ousted the democratically elected prime minister of the country, Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who had been named Time Magazine s Man of the Year.
> Why did the CIA do that? No, not for freedom and democracy, as the statists would like to believe. Instead, the CIA interfered with the internal affairs of Iran to retaliate for Mossadegh s nationalization of British oil concessions. Yes, the CIA s anti-democracy coup was about oil, not freedom and democracy.
> In fact, having ousted a democratically elected prime minister, the CIA proceeded to install a non-elected brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran, into power. The CIA then proceeded to train and work closely with the Shah s counterpart to the CIA, his brutal and tortuous Savak intelligence force. The Shah then proceeded to impose one of the harshest dictatorial regimes in the world on the Iranian people, with the full support of the CIA and the rest of the U.S. government.
> Of course, U.S. officials didn t care one whit what the Shah was doing to the Iranian people. All that mattered was that he was our friend.
> Imagine if Savak had assassinated John Kennedy in order to get Lyndon Johnson into power. How would the American people feel about that some 50 years later? I ll tell you: the deep anger and rage would still be palpable.
> Well, that s how the Iranian people felt about the U.S. government in 1979. That s why they took the U.S. officials hostage. They were still angry about the CIA s ouster of their democratically elected prime minister. They were still angry about the Iranian people who had been brutalized, incarcerated, and tortured by the Shah and his goons, with the full support and cooperation of the CIA.
> That s what Santorum and his fellow statist cohorts don t want to confront. They want to continue living their blissful little lives of delusion. For them, the federal government is god. It is all-good. It is all-knowing. It is all-powerful. It doesn t support dictatorships. It believes in freedom and democracy. It never does bad things to people, not even conduct syphilis experiments on them.
> That s the myth that is inculcated in every public school across America and in most government-licensed private schools. That s the mindset that is produced in people like Santorum and the other statist candidates on that stage.
> It s also the mindset of the mainstream news media reporters asking the questions. That s why they feel so comfortable with the statists on stage. That s why they feel so uncomfortable whenever Ron Paul is answering their questions.
> Let s face it: the statists wish that libertarians had never been born and are extremely concerned about the rising popularity of libertarianism among the American people. That s why they ve done their best to lock the Libertarian Party out of the political process with their inane ballot-restriction barriers. That s why they kept Ron Paul, a long-serving congressman, out of the early presidential debates four years ago. That s why they are keeping Gary Johnson, a popular two-term governor of New Mexico, out of the current round of debates. After all, Johnson, another libertarian, is also calling for ending the drug war and bringing the troops home. Why should it surprise us that they re locking him out of the presidential debates, as they tried to do four years ago with Ron Paul?
> They think that if they can just keep hewing to their little myths and delusions and keep teaching them to their children in their government-approved schools, everything will be fine. If they could only shut out those pesky libertarians who confront people with truth and reality, everything would be hunky dory.
> But truth will out, which is why so many people are gravitating to Ron Paul. They instinctively know that he s speaking truth to power, and they can see that power doesn t like it.
> Ron Paul summed up the problem most eloquently when, in response to Rick Santorum, he stated, We just plain don t mind our own business. That s our problem.
> Of course, that s the problem with statists. They mind everyone else s business but their own.http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-08-19.asp

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Re: Joke

Good Morning from Tampa Lil' Stevie!
 
This little ditty was posted by PlainOl' just a couple of days ago.....Please take three or four minutes of your time, and watch this for us.
 
Maybe it will turn the lightbulb on for you, about how dumb and unrealistic you and your socialist brethren appear to the majority of Americans:
 
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Stink <not4udude@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a socialist! You must become a socialist like me. Give me all
your money!
After you give me all your money
Then I will arrest you and put you in a debtors prisons. Then i'll
hang you for your revolutionary crimes. I'll be bloody rich and you'll
be dead...and that my friends is how capitalism works.
Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Ron Paul’s Exchange with Santorum Says It All

Tell me, just how many more times must this single encounter be
"translated" so we can understand it??

That so many fine authors want to put such a short list of short
encounters in front of me with such long in-depth definitions and
explanations is so very Republican/Democratic of them.

I was under the impression that the best thing about Paul supporters
was that they "get it". Those that don't "get it" probably never
will.

Just what is to be gained by boring the piss out of me and making sure
that I ignore the next 20 minute article about a 5 minute
conversation?

Answer... I will ignore all that follow whether about new info or
not.


On Aug 19, 5:53 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Friday, August 19, 2011Ron Paul s Exchange with Santorum Says It Allby Jacob G. Hornberger
> The exchange over Iran between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the recent Republican presidential debate goes a long way in explaining why the mainstream statists, including those in the Republican Party and the mainstream media, wish that libertarians would just go away.
> Santorum pointed to 1979, the year of the Iranian revolution, when the Iranian people took U.S. diplomats hostage and held them in captivity for about a year. Santorum pointed to that pivotal event to show that the United States has been at war with Iran ever since.
> For statists, Santorum s point is the end of the discussion. The U.S. government is good. It is innocent. It was just minding its own business when Iranian revolutionaries attacked our country without any reason whatsoever.
> We saw the same phenomenon after the 9/11 attacks. They just hate us for our freedom and values, U.S. officials cried. We were just minding our own business when the terrorists decided to kill Americans. The sentiment was the mindset of American statists.
> And what happens if a libertarian says, Wait a minute. The story isn t that simple. Let s look at what motivated these foreigners to do these things. Let s examine what the U.S. government has been doing in foreign affairs ?
> Well, we all know what happens. The statists go ballistic, both in politics and in mainstream newspapers across the land. Oh, you re blaming America! You hate our country! You must be a terrorist yourself. America, love our government or leave our country!
> In fact, Paul s exchange with Santorum wasn t the first time this has happened. Recall that famous debate exchange between Paul and Rudy Guliani four years ago. Paul pointed out that the terrorists came here on 9/11 to kill us because our government had been over there for years killing them.
> Guliani went ballistic, as did his fellow statists on the stage. Their fellow statists in the mainstream media went crazy too. No one, and certainly not a presidential candidate, is supposed to say such things. It s considered beyond the pale. Everyone knows that our government is good, wise, and benevolent, believes in freedom and democracy, and would never do anything bad to foreigners.
> Yet, that s actually when Ron Paul s 2008 presidential campaign took off. Tens of thousands of ordinary Americans instinctively knew that here was a man who wasn t feeding them pabulum. Here was a man who had the courage to speak the truth about U.S. foreign policy. He was willing to observe openly that the emperor wore no clothes.
> And that s why the statists wish that Ron Paul would just go away. It s why they wish libertarians would just go away. That s why they resent us. We cause people to confront reality, which is sometimes not a comfortable thing to do. In a sense, we libertarians are therapists, people who help their patients confront realities that are oftentimes quite painful to face.
> Look at the drug war. The statists just want to keep doing what they ve been doing for 40 years -- busting drug sellers, busting drug users, and locking people up for the rest of their lives. Along come libertarians and point out the utter inanity of the whole thing. The never-ending deaths, destruction, corruption, violence, gang wars, and infringements on privacy and liberty. Libertarians say: End this idiocy by legalizing drugs.
> But that s considered outside the pale for the statists. It s okay to call for reform of such programs. But abolition? Oh my gosh! I wish those libertarians would just shut up and go away. Everything is working out so fine without them.
> Look at how Ron Paul responded to Santorum. He explained to Santorum that the history of bad relations between Iran and the United States did not begin in 1979 but rather in 1953. That was the year that the CIA, the U.S. government s secret intelligence force, entered into Iran and ousted the democratically elected prime minister of the country, Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who had been named Time Magazine s Man of the Year.
> Why did the CIA do that? No, not for freedom and democracy, as the statists would like to believe. Instead, the CIA interfered with the internal affairs of Iran to retaliate for Mossadegh s nationalization of British oil concessions. Yes, the CIA s anti-democracy coup was about oil, not freedom and democracy.
> In fact, having ousted a democratically elected prime minister, the CIA proceeded to install a non-elected brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran, into power. The CIA then proceeded to train and work closely with the Shah s counterpart to the CIA, his brutal and tortuous Savak intelligence force. The Shah then proceeded to impose one of the harshest dictatorial regimes in the world on the Iranian people, with the full support of the CIA and the rest of the U.S. government.
> Of course, U.S. officials didn t care one whit what the Shah was doing to the Iranian people. All that mattered was that he was our friend.
> Imagine if Savak had assassinated John Kennedy in order to get Lyndon Johnson into power. How would the American people feel about that some 50 years later? I ll tell you: the deep anger and rage would still be palpable.
> Well, that s how the Iranian people felt about the U.S. government in 1979. That s why they took the U.S. officials hostage. They were still angry about the CIA s ouster of their democratically elected prime minister. They were still angry about the Iranian people who had been brutalized, incarcerated, and tortured by the Shah and his goons, with the full support and cooperation of the CIA.
> That s what Santorum and his fellow statist cohorts don t want to confront. They want to continue living their blissful little lives of delusion. For them, the federal government is god. It is all-good. It is all-knowing. It is all-powerful. It doesn t support dictatorships. It believes in freedom and democracy. It never does bad things to people, not even conduct syphilis experiments on them.
> That s the myth that is inculcated in every public school across America and in most government-licensed private schools. That s the mindset that is produced in people like Santorum and the other statist candidates on that stage.
> It s also the mindset of the mainstream news media reporters asking the questions. That s why they feel so comfortable with the statists on stage. That s why they feel so uncomfortable whenever Ron Paul is answering their questions.
> Let s face it: the statists wish that libertarians had never been born and are extremely concerned about the rising popularity of libertarianism among the American people. That s why they ve done their best to lock the Libertarian Party out of the political process with their inane ballot-restriction barriers. That s why they kept Ron Paul, a long-serving congressman, out of the early presidential debates four years ago. That s why they are keeping Gary Johnson, a popular two-term governor of New Mexico, out of the current round of debates. After all, Johnson, another libertarian, is also calling for ending the drug war and bringing the troops home. Why should it surprise us that they re locking him out of the presidential debates, as they tried to do four years ago with Ron Paul?
> They think that if they can just keep hewing to their little myths and delusions and keep teaching them to their children in their government-approved schools, everything will be fine. If they could only shut out those pesky libertarians who confront people with truth and reality, everything would be hunky dory.
> But truth will out, which is why so many people are gravitating to Ron Paul. They instinctively know that he s speaking truth to power, and they can see that power doesn t like it.
> Ron Paul summed up the problem most eloquently when, in response to Rick Santorum, he stated, We just plain don t mind our own business. That s our problem.
> Of course, that s the problem with statists. They mind everyone else s business but their own.http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-08-19.asp

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Re: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Dear
Its a fake video, you know now a days Graphic designer can changed voice like Dubbing, also can changed face on another person activities. Dr, Aamir liaquat left Geo because of its policies like pro india & against  Nazaria Pakistan. Geo also support Qadianies. So Geo management is behind this fake videos.
Hafeez


On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Maria Shaban <maria_gail4u@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Assalam-o-alaikum
 
Check out the real face of Amir Liaquat Hussain (off-camera scenes) and watch his Tv shows.... what a hyporicy. He is hosting islamic shows, such as "Alim Online", "Sehar with Amir" etc. but off the screen he uses worst abusive language.
 
 
He is basically Ahl-e-Tashi but pretends as a Sunni Alim.
 
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ہمارے ملک میں اب تک سینکڑوں جماعتیں وجود میں آ چکی ہیں کو ئی سربراہ کسی جماعت کے ممبر کو اپنی جماعت سے نکالتا ہییا وہ خود اپنی مرضی سے پارٹی سے نکل جا تا ہے۔تو پارٹی آفس سے نکلنے سے پہلے اپنی جماعت کی بنیاد رکھ چکا ہوتا ہے اور اسی طرح ہمارا ملک کئی ایک سیاسی پارٹیوں کا مرکز بن گیا کئی ایک پارٹیاں تو ایسی بھی ہیں کہ جن کا کو ئی منشور نہیں ہے بس دنیا کو دھوکا دینے کے لئے کچھ صفحات پر الٹے سیدھے الفاظ لکھ کر بیوقوف بنا یا جارہا ہے اور ان الفاظ کو ہی اس پارٹی کا'' منشور'' کہا جا تا ہے۔ اس سا ری بھیڑ میں دیکھیں تو تحریک انصاف کا وجود اپنی الگ شناخت رکھتا ہے اس کو عمران خان کی قیادت میسر ہے ۔ عمران خان پاکستان کے بے باک اور صاف گو سیاستدان ہو نے کے ساتھ ساتھ محب وطن لیڈر بھی ہیں جن پر آج تک کو ئی کرپشن کا کیس سا منے نہیں آیا اور اس پارٹی نے پاکستان پر آ نے والی ہر آفت میں ہر اول دستہ کا کردار بخوشی نبھایا۔تحریک انصاف نے شروع دن سے ہی عوام کے دکھ کو ا پنا دکھ سمجھا ہر حکمران کے برے کاموں کو دنیا ،عوام اور خود حکمران کو اس کے کالے کرتوتوں کے بارے میں بتا یا اور آ ج بھی وہ اس کا م میں مگن ہے۔تحریک انصاف ہی عوامی حلقوں میں انقلاب کے لئے متحرک تنظیم نظر آتی ہے کیو نکہ اگر پیپلز پارٹی کو دیکھا جا ئے تو اس پر بھی یہ الزام آج تک موجود ہے کہ اس نے خود اپنے منشور روٹی، کپڑا اور مکان پر عمل نہیں کیاجب کہ مسلم لیگ ن بھی عوامی حلقوں میں بنیادی سہولیات فراہم کر نے میں ابھی تک ناکام ہے خصوصا سکولوں، کالجوں و دیگر سرکاری اداروں سمیت جنرل بس سٹینڈ پرٹائلٹ باتھ رومز اور بیٹھنے کے لئے سہولیات موجودنہیں اگر مسلم لیگ ن چا ہتی تو واٹر فلٹر یشن پلانٹ سب سے پہلے جنرل بس سٹینڈ پر لگواتی جس سے ہرراہگیر مستفید ہو تا ۔ مسلم لیگ ق اپنے دور حکومت میں تاریخی ترقیاتی کاموں کی وجہ سے پورے پاکستان میں مقبول ہو ئی لیکن مسلم لیگ ق کے اندرونی اختلافات کی وجہ سے پارٹی اپنی مقبولیت کو برقرار نہ رکھ سکی خصوصا مسلم لیگ خود بھی دیگر اپوزیشن جماعتوں کے ساتھ مل کر سابق صدر پرویز مشرف کے خلاف ہو گئی جس کی وجہ سے خود مسلم لیگ ق کے راہنما ان سے علیحدہ ہو گئے ہم یہاں پارٹیوں کے اندرونی معاملات میں دخل اندازی نہیں کر نا چاہتے لیکن حقیقت اس سے بر عکس نہیں ۔ایسے حالات میں تحریک انصاف ہی وہ واحد پارٹی ہے جسے پاکستانی عوام چانس دینے پر سب سے زیادہ غوروفکر میں ہیں۔ کیو نکہ تحریک انصاف ایک طرف تو وہ عوام کا دکھ سکھ بے حس حکمرانو ں کے سامنے لا رہی ہے تو دوسری طرف جب سے تحریک انصاف بنی اور اس کی ترقی میں دن بدن اضافہ ہورہا ہے۔ یہ بات دوسری پارٹیوں کے لئے درد سر بنی ہو ئی ہے جن کے ممبران کی سیا ست اپنے پارٹی کے بڑوں کی خواہشات اور اپنے ذاتی مفادات تک ہو تی ہے ان فصلی بیٹروں کوتحریک انصاف سے اتنی تکلیف ہے کہ وہ اس سے جان چھڑانا چاہ رہے ہیں اس کی بڑھوتری ہی ان لوگوں کے لئے پریشانی کا سبب بنی ہوئی ہے جو لوگ گھاٹ گھاٹ کا پا نی پینے کے عادی ہیں اور جو کئی عشروں سے پاکستانی سیاست و پاکستانی سرکار پر ڈھیر ے جمائے بیٹھے ہیں۔ اس کا نٹے سے جان چھڑانا چا ہ رہے ہیں اور اس کانٹے سے جان چھوڑنے کے لئے اس کا صاف اور بہترین حل یہ نکالا گیا کہ اپنے بھا ئی، عزیر، کزن، و دیگر رشتہ داروں کو تحریک انصاف کی ممبر شپ لے دی گئی جس کا فائدہ ان لوگو ں کو ہواکیو نکہ ان کو کس بھی طرف سے ٹف ٹائم بھی نہیں ملے گا اور نہ کو ئی ان پر تنقید کر ے گا یعنی ''سانپ بھی مر جائے گا اور لاٹھی بھی نہیں ٹوٹے گی ''کے محاورے پر بڑے احسن انداز میں عملداآمد کیا گیا ہے۔اسی طرح پاکستانی سیاست میں باپ، بیٹے کزن، رشتہ داروں کی مثالیں موجود ہیں تو دیگر سیاسی جماعتوں میں اپنے اپنے رشتے داروں کو بٹھا نا کو ئی بڑی بات نہیں ۔اس کے ساتھ ساتھ تحریک انصاف کے لئے ایک اور مشکل یہ بنی ہو ئی ہے کہ اس میں ایسے لوگوں کو ذمہ داریاں سو نپی جا رہی ہیں جن کا کبھی عوامی حلقوں میں اثرورسوخ یا رابطہ نہیں رہا نہ ان کا عوام کی بھلائی میں کو ئی کردار ہے نہ وہ عوامی مسائل کے لئے عوام کے ساتھ چلنا اپنے لئے اعزاز سمجھتے ہیں۔یہ صرف شطرنج کے مہروں کی طرح ہیں جن کو ایک جگہ سے دوسری جگہ لے جانے میں بھی کسی اور کا ہاتھ شامل ہو تا ہے ۔ اور ایسے افراد کا دوسری سیاسی پارٹیوں کو کو ئی نقصان نہیں تودوسری طرف ایسے افراد کا تحریک انصاف کو بھی ابھی تک سہی فائدہ نہیں پہنچا ۔ایسے افراد کو پارٹی سے علیحدہ کر نے کی بجا ئے ان کی ذمہ داری بدل دی جا ئے کیونکہ کبھی کبھی کھوٹا سکہ بھی چل جا تا ہے اور تحریک انصاف کوعام لوگوں خصو صا نوجوانوں پر اپنی تو جہ مرکوز کر نی چا ہیئے ان کو مواقع فراہم کر نے چا ہئیں جو اپنی تعلیم مکمل کر چکے ہیں یا کر رہے ہیں اور پارٹی کے زیادہ سے زیادہ سیمینار اور ورکر کنونشن کروائے جائیں تا کہ جن علاقوں میں ابھی تک تحریک انصاف کا پیغام نہیں پہنچ سکا وہاں پر بھی اس کا پیغام پہنچ جا ئے خصوصا دیہات جو کہ آج بھی انٹرنیٹ اور کیبل جیسی بنیادی سہولتوں سے محروم ہیں وہاں پر تحریک انصاف کا پیغام پہنچ سکے یہ پارٹی کے لئے اور عمران خان کے لئے فائدہ ہے کیو نکہ پاکستانی عوام کا شروع سے یہ رویہ رہا ہے کہ ایک حکومت ناکام ہو ئی تو دوسری کو آزمائش کا موقع دے دیتے ہیں اب چونکہ پاکستانی سیاست میں پارٹیاں بڑھ چکی ہیں اس لیئے نظریاتی ووٹر ز کے علاوہ دیگر عوامی حلقے آنیوالے وقت میں کس کو منتخب کر تے ہیں یہ الگ بات ہے لیکن میڈیا کے شعور کی وجہ سے وہی پارٹی کامیاب رہے گی جو عوامی بنیادی ضروریات اور سہولیات کو اپنا مشن بنا ئے گے اور یہ تمام خوبیاں تحریک انصاف میں موجود ہیں ۔'' باقی رہی بات بادشاہی کی تو وہ صدا اﷲتعالیٰ کی ہی رہے گی''
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Re: **JP** Crisis Solution

Dear Iftikhar Ahmed,

 

Thanks for appreciation. Once one Sahbi asked to Hazrat Ali what is the difference between Azmash & Azab, Hazrat Ali said whenever you suffer any problem and you pray to Allah and say to allah forgive us and safe us from this problem,Allah help you and safe you. If instead of this that your suffering and not say astagfurallah,and not take care that is call Azab.We are suffering and not say Astagfurallh, and not care so this called Azab. May Allah safe us this Azab and give us courage. to bear this sad situation.

 

Regards,

 

Muhammad Arif. 

 


 

 


 

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--- On Sat, 8/20/11, Iftikhar Ahmad <driftipk@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Iftikhar Ahmad <driftipk@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: **JP** Crisis Solution
To: "joinpakistan@googlegroups.com" <joinpakistan@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 20, 2011, 10:28 AM

Nice to see, really i appreciate. G0d bless you for surfacing & sharing such good advises. We do not held ourselves responsible for what is going on in our surroundings though we both as individual & community are part of it. May Allah give us the strength & courage to act on the list of actions as narrated, & encourage the others for the same.  


From: Mohammed Aslam <aslam1950@gmail.com>
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** Crisis Solution

Can we think of solutions
 
How if we make a list of actions and see whether these are workable and useful, and then start to act on the ones that you feel are worthy.

I'll take a start
1. All of us must try to ensure that every citizen of Pakistan goes to the polls and cast his/her votes. We must not be lazy or coward on that day
2. If we hear or see a crime taking place (mugging, theft, bad accident, purse or mobile phone snatching, etc., then we must try to help the victim and try to arrange punishment/trial of the criminal
3.  If we know of some persons affected by hunger/poverty we must help them.
4. If we know of any people who are illiterate, then we must help them to get some education. even if it is a small book which you can buy and give to them (preferably give some of your time, as well)
5.  If we see any corruption at high levels, we probably do not know what to do. However, if there is corruption at lower levels, then we must discourage and stop it to the extent that we can do it.
It may be a traffic policeman taking money from the drivers or it may be a teacher/education officer taking bribe from the students, etc.
6. We must always remember our nation and our country in our prayers
7.  We must not waste any money or edible items (food) or medicines or clothing. These may ve life saving for the poorest segment of our society. Let's try to reduce our trips to the restaurants and the "long drives" and the unnecessary dresses and the unnecessary shoppings.
8. We have to help the poors and the un-employed to stop them from falling prey to the criminals/gangs
9. If we see a traffic accident victim on the road, we must help.
10. If we know of a person suffering from a serious disease, then we should help him and at least guide him to the right hospital where the doctors are not cheats. You may know of such right hospitals already otherwise you can find them out for communication to the needy.
11. If there is a (peaceful) demonstration for a good cause 
, then you must be a part of that demonstration and at least encourage the organisers and demonstrators.
 
 
 
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Muhammad Arif <arif.online123@ymail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
 
I think there is no fault of our rulers, basically we; Pakistani nation is corrupt thief, baddiyant, and lair. If we aware and reform our self these people can never become our rulers. So don't blame rulers we being a nation should reform our self, then God will also help us other wise we have spend 64 years and still uncompleted nation and uncompleted country.
God helps those who help themselves,
 
Regards,
 
 
Muhammad Arif.

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Subject: **JP** Crisis Solution
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Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 3:39 PM

Good Morning, 

It has been 64 Years and we are still fighting for our existence. The problems we have faced so far is our Politicians who are and have been so corrupt that they have made common man corrupt too. These politicians have to go, not only go but they have to be punished so severely that new politicians will think twice about corruption. I feel so bad and so Sad when I see common people
 are suffering and rich people are taking all advantages. Enough is Enough. I have made some points that which I think can solve some issues of our Great Country. And if we stick to our commitment we can rise again as the Greatest Nation in the World.  

1) The active Government must resign from all positions immediately. 

2) New elections to be held in 90 Days. 

3) Those who have served as MPA's, MNA's, Senators, Ministers, Governors CM's, PM or Presidents shall not be given anymore tickets for re Elections. They have served their country enough. 

4) Those who have been charged for corruption must be arrested and to be present in front of an Independent Jury. 

5) For all those who have been and will be charge for any crimes they have committed while serving the people of Pakistan their, their relatives properties and internal and overseas Accounts must be seized immediately. 

6) All the perishable and non perishable goods which has shortage in Pakistan their exports must be stop until the internal meets are met. 

7) The Currency notes of Pakistan must be reduced to Rs.500 bill. 

8) Foreign policy must be revised. Must make stronger relations with Muslim countries and China. 

9) Non diplomats must leave country immideatley till internal security is restored. 

10) Law enforcement agencies must be given free hands to apprehend the Criminals. They must have all latest of the arts gadgets to catch criminals. Their salaries and incentives must be revised. 

11) Special relief package must be announced for lower class. The new government must also find or create Jobs. 

12) Higher taxes for rich people and lower taxes for lower class. 

13) Education standard must be revised. No child left behind policy must be introduced. Those schools, colleges or Universities do not have a proper campus must be shut down until they have proper campuses and meets all educational and recreational activities. 

14) Defense budget must be reduced to 50%. All the incentives and leisure must be be reduced to 10%. 

15) Must find a peace settlement in FATA. Electricity issue must be resolved internally. Find other means to produce electricity. 

16) All Government officers must use their own Transportation. Government vehicles can only be used when officiating official business. 

17) Medical and Education should be free for Low class. No one is or will above Law. 

Pakistan Zindabad, Pakistan Paindabad. 

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