Tuesday, May 3, 2011

Re: Lefturds at D.C. Comics Force Superman To Renounce His U.S. Citizenship

http://federalistblog.us/2006/07/delegated_powers_immigration.html


On Apr 30, 8:02 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> At 07:38 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:Just another illegal alien waiting to be deported by Republitards.
> ----
> at it should ... our law says illegal aliens are to be deported
> they are criminals/parasites
> Actually, the Law of the Land provides no authority to the Congress to make such laws in the first place.
> Regard$,
> --MJThe Constitution does not authorize the federal government to control immigration. Nor does it say anything about illegal aliens. ... Sadly, lawmakers have repeatedly interpreted this silence as license for ill-conceived legislation. Congress began barring entry to the nation in 1875 with prostitutes and convicts. Soon, all sorts of people fell short of congressional glory: ex-convicts in 1882, along with Chinese citizens, lunatics, and idiots. Paupers, polygamists, and people suffering from infectious diseases or insanity made the list in 1891, while the illiterate were banned in 1917. -- Becky Akers

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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

John,

To quote you: "MJ, Mark, Jonathan and Keith popped-in sounding negative
to my efforts, as though in concert to defend... socialism and communism."

You are nothing if not an Ass! I have NEVER defended socialism or
communism in any reply to any post of yours relating to that
piece-of-excrement you call YOUR New Constitution.

On 05/02/2011 08:55 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> Folks: One of the supposed "moderators" of Political Forum, 'The
> Annointed (sic) One', must be feeling the need to feel powerful.
> (Meaning that he isn't powerful.) He's from Costa Rica; has monkeys
> in his back yard; claims to be an attorney and an international peace
> negotiator; but for some reason he's stuck in the lowly job of trying
> to keep "spam" off of this group. I can virtually guarantee you that
> none of the 'other' readers consider my copying apt excerpts from my
> New Constitution—so that more and more people can understand what I
> have done on their behalf—to be "spam". If the only thing that
> 'powerful attorney' has to do is to read word-for-word what everyone
> on this groups writes, then it is understandable that he would tire of
> reading the same thing. However, I know that everyday there are first-
> time visitors who haven't seen even a small part of my New
> Constitution. When I reply to a particular point, I copy the adjunct
> block of text so people can sense how my document reads. There are
> many interesting things in those blocks, put there to make the lives
> of average Americans better.
>
> It seems to me that 'Mark', The Annointed (sic) One, has had a fall-
> from-grace in his profession. Moderating a Google news group isn't
> part of the career path of... "normal" attorneys. I am sympathetic to
> the computer storage problems associated with active posts. Several
> months ago, out-of-the-blue, MJ, Mark, Jonathan and Keith popped-in
> sounding negative to my efforts, as though in concert to defend...
> socialism and communism. The VOLUME of my writing went up, because
> those guys were skimming rather than reading-for-understanding what I
> was explaining. One of the best ways to reduce repetition would be
> for Mark, MJ and Jonathan to simply go away. However, they hang
> around because I have readers, and they like the exposure. Copied
> below is the email that 'Mark" sent to me directly. The "off" tone
> and exaggeration near the end hint of a troubled mind. *** As a
> Google stockholder, I will complain to the proper people in CA, if
> Mark interferes again, with THE most important post in the history of
> Political Forum.
>
> — John A. Armistead — Patriot
>
> [The following Email was received from The Annointed (sic) One,
> today.]
>
> Posting your thoughts and ideas is a wonderful thing. It is a JOY to
> read every single posting every single day.
>
> There has been a problem of late, though. The posting of three or four
> original sentences that is followed by several paragraphs that are
> simply cut and paste that can also be found numerous times throughout
> that same thread and other threads as well is not what we do here.
>
> Well,, thats SPAM !!! I have no problem reading the same material once
> or twice but on some threads it is becoming ridiculously
> repetitive..... when that action spreads to other threads and the
> supposed posting either originates or answers in that (or those)
> threads using the same cut and paste diatribe it is against our rules.
> WE DO NOT ACCEPT SPAM from outside sources or from
> members !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> So BASTA, GENUG, ENOUGH !!!! In the future said posts will be removed,
> the explanation is here.
>
> On May 1, 8:50 am, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Dear J. Ashley: Since as little as one to four sentences are needed
>> to address the crucial issues, there are NO paragraphs in my New
>> Constitution! If there were, the entire document would require fifty
>> plus pages, rather than just ten ledger-size pages to print. In many
>> cases I have "highlighted" the answer to a specific comment by putting
>> *** ... in front of the main point in the reply. The reason I show
>> the entire BLOCK of text (but not a paragraph) is so that people can
>> read larger sections and get a feel for how things are organized. The
>> 160 words you counted probably addressed 10 or more separate issues.
>> In some cases, my adding a single word modifier to an existing
>> sentence allows going in an entire new direction. For example: In the
>> 1st Amendment, I added the word "peaceable" to "freedom of *
>> religion." That is a protection against any religion that advocates
>> or condones violence as a means of fostering its objectives. — J. A.
>> Armistead —
>>
>> On Apr 25, 1:16 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>> I accomplished the same outcome with 43 words of clarity that you did
>>> with your convoluted paragraph of more than 160 words.
>>> On 04/24/2011 05:28 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>>>> J. Ashley: How quickly YOU forget! The following is from my New
>>>> Constitution:
>>>> "Section 9& 10: Other than the President or his agents, no person,
>>>> news medium, organization, group, their envoys, or any lobby, within
>>>> government or without, shall be allowed to contact representatives
>>>> while such are in Washington. However, invited persons or groups can
>>>> make scheduled depositions provided they don�t communicate with the
>>>> representatives otherwise. A representative�s constituents shall be
>>>> allowed to contact them for the purpose of influencing their votes
>>>> only while they are in their home states or districts.
>>>> Representatives shall regularly contact their district offices or
>>>> return to their districts to be informed of the wishes of their
>>>> constituents, and their constituents only, and shall be held
>>>> accountable for the representativeness of their votes. The
>>>> solicitation of Citizen support is permitted, but the targeted
>>>> solicitation of representatives in any place, by any person,
>>>> organization, group, or lobby within government or without, is
>>>> prohibited. Overt solicitation, feting, or laudatory ceremony, as
>>>> above, is a felony�defined as any crime requiring a minimum three year
>>>> prison sentence, but time off for good behavior is allowed." � John
>>>> A. Armistead � Patriot
>>>> On Apr 22, 11:50 am, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> John,
>>>>> How quick you forget. Do you not remember when you challenged me once
>>>>> before? I posted the following problem and solution:
>>>>> (1) The lobbying of Members of Congress by any Person on behalf of
>>>>> anyone other than themselves shall be prohibited.
>>>>> (2) Any Person found guilty of lobbying under the Prohibitions of
>>>>> this Article shall be imprisoned for not less than 10 Years and/or
>>>>> deported;
>>>>> On 04/21/2011 06:38 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>>>>>> J. Ashley: You never did define a single problem with our government
>>>>>> or society, and solve that problem in less than four sentences. I did
>>>>>> that for fourteen years! Convoluted or not, my New Constitution
>>>>>> solves society's problems! � J. A. A. �
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 12:06 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>> How does your reply have anything to do with what I posted? It's no
>>>>>>> wonder YOUR New Constitution is so convoluted.
>>>>>>> On 04/20/2011 08:45 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jonathan: "Polite" public figures can't go around calling everyone
>>>>>>>> stupid. There are contexts in which public health care makes sense.
>>>>>>>> But FORCED Obama Care isn't that context! � J. A. A. �
>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:54 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>> 1) Trump has no ideology!
>>>>>>>>> 2) The District of Criminals is filled with Republican socialists.
>>>>>>>>> On 04/20/2011 02:00 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan: That would be "the pot calling the kettle black". If Trump
>>>>>>>>>> was a socialist he would be a Democrat and pro Obama. When one's
>>>>>>>>>> ideology has failed, like yours has, blame the opposition for your own
>>>>>>>>>> socialist-communist traits. You, like Mark, are very screwed-up in
>>>>>>>>>> the head. � J. A. A. �
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 12:50 am, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> *John,
>>>>>>>>>>> I cannot belive you call me -- a voluntaryist/anarchist -- a socialist,
>>>>>>>>>>> yet you cannot see that Donald Trump is a full-blown socialist. Pay
>>>>>>>>>>> attention!*
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.americablog.com/2009/02/donald-trump-is-socialist.htmlhttp......
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/18/2011 08:48 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks: The following essay contains the first two articles of my New
>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitution. I'm copying it, below, so those looking in the present
>>>>>>>>>>>> post can find it. Hope you readers are having a great Spring!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can Donald Trump �Fix� the Thin Ice that the USA is skating on?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The contrast is striking between the potential presidential candidacy
>>>>>>>>>>>> of The Donald and every other might-be candidate mentioned. For one
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, if The Donald says he can fix something�like our broke economy�
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can damn-well take him seriously! Some of you may recall that a
>>>>>>>>>>>> certain new ice skating rink in New York�s Central Park started
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaking water and couldn�t be used. That work had been done by three
>>>>>>>>>>>> or four labor unions with each one pointing the fingers at the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>> After millions of dollars had been wasted on attempted patches, The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald took over the entire job and had happy skaters out on that ice
>>>>>>>>>>>> before long.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every day when I realize how much labor unions of all kinds are
>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively screwing the US economy and preventing our having a really
>>>>>>>>>>>> �free� free enterprise system, I think of The Donald. He has been
>>>>>>>>>>>> able to find considerable success working in the morass of labor
>>>>>>>>>>>> unions and government regulations that are found in NYC. That man
>>>>>>>>>>>> THRIVES on being able to get the disparate powers-that-be to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>> job done! Part of the secret is his charisma. But most of it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> because he is a trustworthy man-of-his-word. He makes sure that all
>>>>>>>>>>>> those involved in a project realize just what their responsibilities
>>>>>>>>>>>> are, and what they are expected to do if there are any glitches. In
>>>>>>>>>>>> short, The Donald is one of the top businessmen in the country of all
>>>>>>>>>>>> time. His executive experience probably exceeds that of the governors
>>>>>>>>>>>> of most states. Under him people do their jobs and do them well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just having The Donald as the head man improves the quality of
>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, because it�s an honor just to be associated with one of his
>>>>>>>>>>>> projects!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, Donald Trump is politically conservative. But he doesn�t
>>>>>>>>>>>> owe-his-soul to the Republican Party like most of his would-be rivals
>>>>>>>>>>>> do even without realizing that they do. The USA has been hamstrung
>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to avoid looking like a colonialist aggressor every time we
>>>>>>>>>>>> �invade� other nations to help the oppressed. The reason oil fields
>>>>>>>>>>>> get set on fire is because those people suppose we are there� just for
>>>>>>>>>>>> their oil. By destroying the oil, they believe we will simply go
>>>>>>>>>>>> away. The blind-leading-the-blind in our government think that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> USA has the financial wherewithal to finance long wars, and will have
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough wherewithal remaining to rebuild the busted infrastructure of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the invaded countries; train the new armies; and care for those �poor�
>>>>>>>>>>>> people till they are back on their feet. All of that is being done
>>>>>>>>>>>> like forced charity from the big-hearted American People whose
>>>>>>>>>>>> standards of living keep dropping, because of the explosion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> size and the over-control of our government. If The Donald can get us
>>>>>>>>>>>> trillions of dollars worth of oil to repay the American Taxpayers for
>>>>>>>>>>>> our sacrifices, I�ll vote for him!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some good news is that Republicans now have trillions of dollars in
>>>>>>>>>>>> �possible� budget cuts that might save this country. The bad news is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that those takes-too-long-to-happen cuts will still leave the never-
>>>>>>>>>>>> should-have-been-there-in-the-first-place entitlement programs being
>>>>>>>>>>>> run by government. After the nearly 15 years that I�ve spent penning
>>>>>>>>>>>> and polishing my New Constitution, I have better than average ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>> how to fix our government, fast. The following 5 things aren�t
>>>>>>>>>>>> written into the New Constitution, but are of fundamental importance:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Get our government out of the entitlement business! Privatize
>>>>>>>>>>>> Social Security; Medicare; Medicaid; and Unemployment Insurance, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the Republicans are now planning to do, protect those now in
>>>>>>>>>>>> programs from being hurt who are close to retirement. But unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans,
>> ...
>>
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Re: Lefturds at D.C. Comics Force Superman To Renounce His U.S. Citizenship

Why ?? Do you find your state to be incompetent ?? Think they could do something if all the Taxes collected in-state were used in-state ? 

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:11 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
So long as the US Code is unconstitutional, we're kinda done.

On May 3, 10:55 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> You keep looking in the WRONG places.
> Try THIS:http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txtPoint to the Article, Section and Clause or Amendment.
> [do remember that naturalization deals with Citizenship and NOT immigration]
> Regard$,
> --MJThe Constitution does not authorize the federal government to control immigration. Nor does it say anything about illegal aliens. ... Sadly, lawmakers have repeatedly interpreted this silence as license for ill-conceived legislation. Congress began barring entry to the nation in 1875 with prostitutes and convicts. Soon, all sorts of people fell short of congressional glory: ex-convicts in 1882, along with Chinese citizens, lunatics, and idiots. Paupers, polygamists, and people suffering from infectious diseases or insanity made the list in 1891, while the illiterate were banned in 1917. -- Becky AkersAt 10:49 AM 5/3/2011, you wrote:I just don't know what to say, other than this:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II_30_IV.html
> On May 3, 10:42 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greg, The fed is not given the right to control immigration, just to see
> > that migration "between the states" is unfettered, but the States are.....
> > they simply may not control movements at "Interstate" crossings... there is
> > no limit placed at ports of foreign entry for the states.
> >
> > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Want better schools ?? move east
> > > -------------------------
> >
> > > East of me is the ocean.
> >
> > > Point taken, and I have made the same point RE Dept of Education is
> > > illegal BECAUSE of the very amendment you cite.
> >
> > > But on one hand, MJ claims, the US govt has no power over immigration,
> > > because its not explicit in the constitution (Naturalization,
> > > schmation), and that the FDA is illegal, yet then goes on to purport
> > > that no, explicit constitutional authority is not requisite.
> >
> > > Allllllllllllllllll-righty then!
> >
> > > On May 3, 10:27 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Greg,
> >
> > > > ALL things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as the
> > > > responsibility of the Federal Government was to be left to the States to
> > > > each deal with separately.
> >
> > > > What most people do not, or refuse, to see is that the USA was always
> > > meant
> > > > to be a union of 50 separate and sovereign states. Each very distinct and
> > > > offering to its citizens that which suited its specific citizens most.
> > > There
> > > > was never an intension of "One law for all".
> >
> > > > Citizens (and only citizens of the several states) were to be allowed to
> > > > travel freely between the states, There was to be no import/export tax
> > > > between the states only at ports handling foreign trade ...(the biggest
> > > > failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the main reason for the new
> > > > Constitution, and Lincolns excuse for Ft. Sumter...tax collection). Only
> > > the
> > > > President is elected by all and only he was meant to be responsible at
> > > > large. It is the responsibility of Congressmen to represent their
> > > > constituency only (pork was just fine as deals had to be made that would
> > > get
> > > > enough votes...there was very little Federal money to go around),
> > > Senators
> > > > were originally designed to represent the needs of their state only under
> > > > the guiding hand of each governor. The Feds were responsible for only a
> > > VERY
> > > > LIMITED military (basically the "officer corps") with the "standing army"
> > > > made up ENTIRELY of the forces supplied by the states (thus the need to
> > > > "Declare War" only by Congress assembled as their constituents were to be
> > > > "called up")
> >
> > > > Laws about food safety, drugs, taxes, social welfare, medical, schools,
> > > etc.
> > > > are the absolute responsibility of each separate state ..... separately.
> > > > This is what would make different states attractive to different people
> > > and
> > > > cause migration from one to another of both people and industry. States
> > > were
> > > > allowed to sue one another over (literally) bad things flowing
> > > > downstream...this was the interstate control factor... the federal
> > > courts.
> >
> > > > That these things are now dealt with by the Feds is indeed a usurpation
> > > of
> > > > and by the Feds.
> >
> > > > Want better schools ?? move east, The Feds were never meant to make
> > > things
> > > > equal... the states were never meant to be equal, all laws were never
> > > meant
> > > > to be equal....
> >
> > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com
> > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > Dockside Greeters & Crew (Boston Harbor)
> >
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> > > > > Reply to: job-tyes2-2351913...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to
> > > > > ads?]
> >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> > > > > Harbor Islands. More than a dozen full time and part time jobs still
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> >
> > > > > Location: Boston Harbor
> >
> > > > > On May 2, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > You're being silly.
> > > > > > Where in the constitution does it say government has the power
> > > > > toregulatefood and drugs?
> > > > > > Nowhere ... yet ANOTHER usurpation.The very reason for the US Code
> > > (laws)
> > > > > is to pick up where the
> > > > > > constitution leaves off, AND to limit where it doesn't
> > > > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > > > > Jeffrey Tucker, Ditch the PlannersNo one so much as suggested such a
> > > > > thing as the US Code in the first hundred years after the US
> > > Constitution
> > > > > was enacted. It would have been only a little longer than the
> > > Constitution
> > > > > itself. The first attempt to create such a compilation of laws occurred
> > > in
> > > > > 1878 but it languished because no one felt the need to update it. Then
> > > in
> > > > > 1926, in the midst of Prohibition when the feds became deeply involved
> > > in
> > > > > regulating the details of life, Congress made the thing come into
> > > existence.
> > > > > It is printed every six years.An institution was born, though most
> > > people
> > > > > know nothing of it. The next printing will come out in 2012, but the
> > > 2006
> > > > > with annotations was 356 thousand-plus-page volumes that cover every
> > > aspect
> > > > > of life as we know it. The next one will add many new sections and
> > > probably
> > > > > more than 100,000 pages.This is America's central plan -- or
> > > ownGosplan, so
> > > > > to speak -- and it is as elaborate and detailed as any set of laws that
> > > have
> > > > > ever governed any society in the history of the world. Much of this
> > > central
> > > > > plan is absorbed into our daily lives in ways that we don't notice or
> > >...
>
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Re: Torturing Terrorists Works

it was a reply to MJ's Orwell post
there's not a jew hate thing in it
jew-sensitive much?

On May 3, 10:13 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ya know, we have such great banter, and then you go back to this Jew
> hate thing, and I end up saying, "WTF"?
>
> On May 3, 10:38 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The name "Goldstein" is German Jewish, just as is Trotsky's original
> > surname Bronstein. The first name Emmanuel means "God with us"; his
> > whole name would be a metaphor for a Messiah character. His name can
> > refer to Emma Goldman, a notable anarchist. Emmanuel may be a
> > reference to Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich, a nonexistent orator that was
> > used as a source to fuel antisemitic propaganda, much as Emmanuel
> > Goldstein was to be the common focus of anger for the society in the
> > novel.
>
> > "Goldstein is the Osama Bin Laden figure in Orwell's novel, an
> > extremely elusive person who is never seen, never captured, but
> > believed by the leadership of Oceania to be still alive and hatching
> > his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the
> > protection of his foreign paymasters. Since Goldstein is never
> > captured, the battle against his crimes, treacheries, sabotages must
> > never end."
> > Drawing parallel's between Goldstein and Osama Bin Laden began a week
> > after the September 11 Attacks, when professor William L. Anderson at
> > Frostburg State University wrote a column for LewRockwell.com entitled
> > "Osama and Goldstein".
> > The legal scholar Cass Sunstein in his 2009 book Worst-Case Scenarios,
> > coins what he deems the "Goldstein Effect", describing it as "the
> > ability to intensify public concern by giving a definite face to the
> > adversary, specifying a human source of the underlying threat."
> > According to Sunstein, since the U.S. War on Terror has so heavily
> > associated terrorism with Osama Bin Laden, the outrage has intensified
> > in similar ways as displayed in 1984.
>
> > On May 3, 9:14 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > So says the Government. Good thing they NEVER lie.
> > > Regard$,
> > > --MJ
> > > As usual, the face of Emmanual Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The little sandy-haired woman gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Goldstein was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of the Party, almost on a level with Big Brother himself, and then had engaged in counter-revolutionary activities, had been condemned to death, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure. He was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of the Party's purity. All subsequent crimes against the Party, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of his teaching. Somewhere or other he was still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters, perhaps even -- so it was occasionally rumoured -- in some hiding-place in Oceania itself. -- George Orwell, 1984- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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36) "Rove's re-election strategy was elegantly simple: Scare the
bejesus out of Jesusland. F@ggots are headed your way! Satanic Muslims
are hiding everywhere! That's all it took to get Jesusland to do the
job. Intellectual conservatives like the National Review staff are
flattering themselves if they honestly believe Jesusland cares about
conservative thought. The "reality-based" folks are learning that
Jesusland doesn't even care about jobs or the economy. In Jesusland,
it's all the will of Jesus. No job? No money? Daughter got her clit
pierced? Jesus is just f*cking with you again, testing your faith. Got
the cancer? Oh well. Soon you'll be with Jesus. Reality is no match
for a mystical world in which an all-powerful god is constantly toying
with every detail of your mundane life, just to see what you'll do
about it. Keep praying and always keep your eye out for homosexuals
and terrorists, and you will eventually be rewarded … all you have to
do is die, and then it's SuperJesusLand, where you will be a ghost
floating in a magic cloud with all the other ghosts from Jesusland,
with Jesus Himself presiding over an Eternal Church Service." — Ken
Layne

35) Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is
it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before. — Rahm
Emanuel

34) I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case,
this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack
Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. — "Journalist"
Chris Matthews

33) Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the
government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews
with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by
what I saw and heard, awful things that could not be reported because
doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly
those on our Baghdad staff…I felt awful having these stories bottled
up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein's regime is gone, I suspect we
will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the
decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely. — CNN
chief news executive Eason Jordan in a New York Times column,
admitting that CNN often didn't report newsworthy events in Iraq out
of fear of what the regime might do

32) We all know that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom
fighter and that Reuters upholds the principle that we do not use the
word terrorist….To be frank, it adds little to call the attack on the
World Trade Center a terrorist attack. -– Steven Jukes, global head of
news for Reuters News Service, in an internal memo

31) The Pentagon as a legitimate target? I actually don't have an
opinion on that and it's important I not have an opinion on that as I
sit here in my capacity right now. — David Westin, ABC News President

30) You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of
small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years
and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton
Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive
administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna
regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get
bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who
aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment
as a way to explain their frustrations. — Barack Obama

29) It's good (Michelle Malkin's) in D.C. and I'm in New York. I'd
spit on her if I saw her. — Geraldo Rivera

28) Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has
hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than
Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux
Klan ever was. — MSNBC's Keith Olbermann

27) …I would further strongly urge Democrats who don't believe
marriage is between a man and a woman but who feel they ought to
pretend to believe this in order to win elections (a plausible
position) need to do a better job of pretending. I've heard a
shockingly large number of politicians say things, in rooms where
journalists are present, that make it perfectly clear that they think
gay marriage is just fine but that the voters aren't ready for it.
That's a sensible thing to believe, but you can't go around saying it
if you're trying to win votes. If you're going to lie, then lie — and
lie convincingly! — Matthew Yglesias

26) "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on
Election Day. It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost
that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes. You target
(Bush's) natural constituencies. For example, you can go on all the
pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and
that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion
clinic and paid for her to get an abortion." — Kerry supporter Moby
explains his unique political strategy that has since been much more
widely adopted by the Left

25) I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't
understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my
mental health — New York city councilman Charles Barron

24) While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we
understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything –
America owes us. — Al Sharpton

23) The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand
the necessity for patriotism. Why do you have to be a patriot? About
what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like
your life, but as for loving the whole country… I don't see why people
care about patriotism. — Natalie Maines

22) America has been killing people on this continent since it was
started. This country is not worth dying for… — Cindy Sheehan

21) And I think the almost undeviating support by Great Britain for
the ill-advised policies of President Bush in Iraq have been a major
tragedy for the world. — Jimmy Carter castigates the British for
cooperating with his own country

20) Check out this startling excerpt from George Monbiot's new book
Heat. It's about the climate-change "denial industry," which most of
you are probably familiar with. What you may not know about is the
peculiar role of the tobacco industry in the whole mess. I've read
about this stuff for years and even I was surprised by some of the
details. When we've finally gotten serious about global warming, when
the impacts are really hitting us and we're in a full worldwide
scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for
these b*stards — some sort of climate Nuremberg. — David Roberts,
Grist Magazine

19) Until your daddy learns that it's not 'fun' to kill, keep your
doggies and kitties away from him. He's so hooked on killing
defenseless animals that they could be next! — From a PETA booklet
called "Your Daddy Kills Animals," which was designed to be handed out
to children

18) I do believe that it's the first time in history that fire has
ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World
Trade Center tower 7 — building 7, which collapsed in on itself — it
is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without
explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center]
1 and 2 got hit by planes — 7, miraculously, the first time in
history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible. —
Rosie O'Donnell talks Trutherism

17) Is there such a thing as a man made stroke? In other words, did
someone do this to him? — Joy Behar, on The View, wonders if
Republicans gave Senator Tim Johnson a stroke.

16) Look what happened with regard to our invasion into Afghanistan,
how we apparently intentionally let bin Laden get away. That was done
by the previous administration because they knew very well that if
they would capture al Qaeda, there would be no justification for an
invasion in Iraq. There's no question that the leader of the military
operations of the U.S. called back our military, called them back from
going after the head of al Qaeda. — Congressman Maurice Hinchey

15) Now I believe, myself, that the secretary of state, the secretary
of defense and you have to make your own decision as to what the
president knows: that this war is lost, that the surge is not
accomplishing anything. — Democratic Senator Majority Leader, Harry
Reid

14) Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi
Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the
Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. They
released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against
America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which
to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against
America. — Bill Clinton explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business
group why he turned down Sudan's offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to
America in 1996

13) If you're a young person looking at the future of this planet and
looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we
have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to
prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon
capture and sequestration. — Al Gore

12) (Rush Limbaugh) just wants the country to fail. To me that's
treason. He's not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden
is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush
Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on
Oxycontin he missed his flight. … Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country
fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that? — Wanda Sykes

11) I have a good news to report; Glen Beck appears closer to suicide
– I'm hoping that he does it on camera; suicide is rampant in his
family, and given his alcoholism and his tendencies towards self-
destruction, I am only hoping that when Glen Beck does put a gun to
his head and pulls the trigger, that it will be on television, because
somebody will capture it on YouTube and it will be the most popular
video for months. — Mike Malloy

10) The President wants to talk about a terrorist named bin Laden. I
don't want to talk about bin Laden. I want to talk about a terrorist
called Christopher Columbus. I want to talk about a terrorist called
George Washington. I want to talk about a terrorist called Rudy
Giuliani. The real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of
America. — Malik Zulu Shabazz

9) "It's about time that we have an intifada in this country that
changes fundamentally the political dynamics in here. And we know
every — They're gonna say some Palestinian being too radical — well,
you haven't seen radicalism yet." — U.C. Berkeley Lecturer Hatem
Bazian fires up the crowd at an anti-war rally by calling for an
American intifada

8) The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes
a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No,
no, no, God d*mn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent
people. God d*mn America for treating our citizens as less than human.
God d*mn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is
supreme. Jeremiah Wright

7) I root for hurricanes. When, courtesy of the Weather Channel, I see
one forming in the ocean off the coast of Africa, I find myself
longing for it to become big and strong–Mother Nature's fist of fury,
Gaia's stern rebuke. Considering the havoc mankind has wreaked upon
nature with deforesting, stripmining, and the destruction of animal
habitat, it only seems fair that nature get some of its own back and
teach us that there are forces greater than our own. — James Wolcott,
Vanity Fair Contributing Editor

6) General Petraeus or General Betray Us? …Today, before Congress and
the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General
Betray Us. — MoveOn

5) Through every Abu aib and Haditha, through every rape and murder,
the American public has indulged those in uniform….We pay the soldiers
a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing
and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene
amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every
possible way, and their attitude is that we should in addition roll
over and play dead, defer to the military and the generals and let
them fight their war, and give up our rights and responsibilities to
speak up because they are above society?…[T]he recent NBC report is
just an ugly reminder of the price we pay for a mercenary — oops
sorry, volunteer — force that thinks it is doing the dirty work. — The
Washington Post's William Arkin

4) In Vietnam, our soldiers came back and they were reviled as baby
killers, in shame and humiliation. It isn't happening now, but I will
tell you – there has never been an army as violent and murderous as
our army has been in Iraq. — Seymour Hersh

3) Over time, however, the endless war in Iraq began to play a role in
natural selection. Only idiots signed up; only idiots died. Back home,
the average I.Q. soared. — Ted Rall

2) As to those in the World Trade Center…Let's get a grip here, shall
we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a
break. …If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other
way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the
little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers,
I'd really be interested in hearing about it. — Ward Churchill

1) The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not
'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION,
the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win." —
Michael Moore

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Re: Torturing Terrorists Works

Ya know, we have such great banter, and then you go back to this Jew
hate thing, and I end up saying, "WTF"?

On May 3, 10:38 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The name "Goldstein" is German Jewish, just as is Trotsky's original
> surname Bronstein. The first name Emmanuel means "God with us"; his
> whole name would be a metaphor for a Messiah character. His name can
> refer to Emma Goldman, a notable anarchist. Emmanuel may be a
> reference to Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich, a nonexistent orator that was
> used as a source to fuel antisemitic propaganda, much as Emmanuel
> Goldstein was to be the common focus of anger for the society in the
> novel.
>
> "Goldstein is the Osama Bin Laden figure in Orwell's novel, an
> extremely elusive person who is never seen, never captured, but
> believed by the leadership of Oceania to be still alive and hatching
> his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the
> protection of his foreign paymasters. Since Goldstein is never
> captured, the battle against his crimes, treacheries, sabotages must
> never end."
> Drawing parallel's between Goldstein and Osama Bin Laden began a week
> after the September 11 Attacks, when professor William L. Anderson at
> Frostburg State University wrote a column for LewRockwell.com entitled
> "Osama and Goldstein".
> The legal scholar Cass Sunstein in his 2009 book Worst-Case Scenarios,
> coins what he deems the "Goldstein Effect", describing it as "the
> ability to intensify public concern by giving a definite face to the
> adversary, specifying a human source of the underlying threat."
> According to Sunstein, since the U.S. War on Terror has so heavily
> associated terrorism with Osama Bin Laden, the outrage has intensified
> in similar ways as displayed in 1984.
>
> On May 3, 9:14 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So says the Government. Good thing they NEVER lie.
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
> > As usual, the face of Emmanual Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The little sandy-haired woman gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Goldstein was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of the Party, almost on a level with Big Brother himself, and then had engaged in counter-revolutionary activities, had been condemned to death, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure. He was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of the Party's purity. All subsequent crimes against the Party, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of his teaching. Somewhere or other he was still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters, perhaps even -- so it was occasionally rumoured -- in some hiding-place in Oceania itself. -- George Orwell, 1984- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: Lefturds at D.C. Comics Force Superman To Renounce His U.S. Citizenship

So long as the US Code is unconstitutional, we're kinda done.

On May 3, 10:55 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> You keep looking in the WRONG places.
> Try THIS:http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txtPoint to the Article, Section and Clause or Amendment.
> [do remember that naturalization deals with Citizenship and NOT immigration]
> Regard$,
> --MJThe Constitution does not authorize the federal government to control immigration. Nor does it say anything about illegal aliens. ... Sadly, lawmakers have repeatedly interpreted this silence as license for ill-conceived legislation. Congress began barring entry to the nation in 1875 with prostitutes and convicts. Soon, all sorts of people fell short of congressional glory: ex-convicts in 1882, along with Chinese citizens, lunatics, and idiots. Paupers, polygamists, and people suffering from infectious diseases or insanity made the list in 1891, while the illiterate were banned in 1917. -- Becky AkersAt 10:49 AM 5/3/2011, you wrote:I just don't know what to say, other than this:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II_30_IV.html
> On May 3, 10:42 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greg, The fed is not given the right to control immigration, just to see
> > that migration "between the states" is unfettered, but the States are.....
> > they simply may not control movements at "Interstate" crossings... there is
> > no limit placed at ports of foreign entry for the states.
> >
> > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Want better schools ?? move east
> > > -------------------------
> >
> > > East of me is the ocean.
> >
> > > Point taken, and I have made the same point RE Dept of Education is
> > > illegal BECAUSE of the very amendment you cite.
> >
> > > But on one hand, MJ claims, the US govt has no power over immigration,
> > > because its not explicit in the constitution (Naturalization,
> > > schmation), and that the FDA is illegal, yet then goes on to purport
> > > that no, explicit constitutional authority is not requisite.
> >
> > > Allllllllllllllllll-righty then!
> >
> > > On May 3, 10:27 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Greg,
> >
> > > > ALL things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as the
> > > > responsibility of the Federal Government was to be left to the States to
> > > > each deal with separately.
> >
> > > > What most people do not, or refuse, to see is that the USA was always
> > > meant
> > > > to be a union of 50 separate and sovereign states. Each very distinct and
> > > > offering to its citizens that which suited its specific citizens most.
> > > There
> > > > was never an intension of "One law for all".
> >
> > > > Citizens (and only citizens of the several states) were to be allowed to
> > > > travel freely between the states, There was to be no import/export tax
> > > > between the states only at ports handling foreign trade ...(the biggest
> > > > failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the main reason for the new
> > > > Constitution, and Lincolns excuse for Ft. Sumter...tax collection). Only
> > > the
> > > > President is elected by all and only he was meant to be responsible at
> > > > large. It is the responsibility of Congressmen to represent their
> > > > constituency only (pork was just fine as deals had to be made that would
> > > get
> > > > enough votes...there was very little Federal money to go around),
> > > Senators
> > > > were originally designed to represent the needs of their state only under
> > > > the guiding hand of each governor. The Feds were responsible for only a
> > > VERY
> > > > LIMITED military (basically the "officer corps") with the "standing army"
> > > > made up ENTIRELY of the forces supplied by the states (thus the need to
> > > > "Declare War" only by Congress assembled as their constituents were to be
> > > > "called up")
> >
> > > > Laws about food safety, drugs, taxes, social welfare, medical, schools,
> > > etc.
> > > > are the absolute responsibility of each separate state ..... separately.
> > > > This is what would make different states attractive to different people
> > > and
> > > > cause migration from one to another of both people and industry. States
> > > were
> > > > allowed to sue one another over (literally) bad things flowing
> > > > downstream...this was the interstate control factor... the federal
> > > courts.
> >
> > > > That these things are now dealt with by the Feds is indeed a usurpation
> > > of
> > > > and by the Feds.
> >
> > > > Want better schools ?? move east, The Feds were never meant to make
> > > things
> > > > equal... the states were never meant to be equal, all laws were never
> > > meant
> > > > to be equal....
> >
> > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com
> > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > Dockside Greeters & Crew (Boston Harbor)
> >
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> > > > > Date: 2011-04-28, 6:55PM EDT
> > > > > Reply to: job-tyes2-2351913...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to
> > > > > ads?]
> >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> > > > > or on one of the Boston Harbor Islands as a Dockside Assistant or
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> > > > > energetic, outgoing people to provide information and assistance to
> > > > > the public and passengers boarding our vessels for the only official
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> > > > > boats. We are also looking for Cruise Directors and Narrators to work
> > > > > onboard several vessels for additional compensation. Join our crew and
> > > > > enjoy the excitement and fun interacting with the public, guiding
> > > > > passengers to our boats, and generally supporting Boston's finest
> > > > > fleet of passenger vessels. You can help us deliver an outstanding
> > > > > recreational experience in and around Boston Harbor and the Boston
> > > > > Harbor Islands. More than a dozen full time and part time jobs still
> > > > > available right now through Labor Day.
> >
> > > > > Location: Boston Harbor
> >
> > > > > On May 2, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > You're being silly.
> > > > > > Where in the constitution does it say government has the power
> > > > > toregulatefood and drugs?
> > > > > > Nowhere ... yet ANOTHER usurpation.The very reason for the US Code
> > > (laws)
> > > > > is to pick up where the
> > > > > > constitution leaves off, AND to limit where it doesn't
> > > > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > > > > Jeffrey Tucker, Ditch the PlannersNo one so much as suggested such a
> > > > > thing as the US Code in the first hundred years after the US
> > > Constitution
> > > > > was enacted. It would have been only a little longer than the
> > > Constitution
> > > > > itself. The first attempt to create such a compilation of laws occurred
> > > in
> > > > > 1878 but it languished because no one felt the need to update it. Then
> > > in
> > > > > 1926, in the midst of Prohibition when the feds became deeply involved
> > > in
> > > > > regulating the details of life, Congress made the thing come into
> > > existence.
> > > > > It is printed every six years.An institution was born, though most
> > > people
> > > > > know nothing of it. The next printing will come out in 2012, but the
> > > 2006
> > > > > with annotations was 356 thousand-plus-page volumes that cover every
> > > aspect
> > > > > of life as we know it. The next one will add many new sections and
> > > probably
> > > > > more than 100,000 pages.This is America's central plan -- or
> > > ownGosplan, so
> > > > > to speak -- and it is as elaborate and detailed as any set of laws that
> > > have
> > > > > ever governed any society in the history of the world. Much of this
> > > central
> > > > > plan is absorbed into our daily lives in ways that we don't notice or
> > >...
>
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Re: Lefturds at D.C. Comics Force Superman To Renounce His U.S. Citizenship

I actually have to side with MJ here.... that power does NOT exist in the constitution... just in what is basically an illegal US CODE and it is a usurpation of the States rights that tries to paint EVERY community with the same brush... this was NEVER the intent.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:49 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just don't know what to say, other than this:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II_30_IV.html

On May 3, 10:42 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg, The fed is not given the right to control immigration, just to see
> that migration "between the states" is unfettered, but the States are.....
> they simply may not control movements at "Interstate" crossings... there is
> no limit placed at ports of foreign entry for the states.
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Want better schools ?? move east
> > -------------------------
>
> > East of me is the ocean.
>
> > Point taken, and I have made the same point RE Dept of Education is
> > illegal BECAUSE of the very amendment you cite.
>
> > But on one hand, MJ claims, the US govt has no power over immigration,
> > because its not explicit in the constitution (Naturalization,
> > schmation), and that the FDA is illegal, yet then goes on to purport
> > that no, explicit constitutional authority is not requisite.
>
> > Allllllllllllllllll-righty then!
>
> > On May 3, 10:27 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Greg,
>
> > > ALL things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as the
> > > responsibility of the Federal Government was to be left to the States to
> > > each deal with separately.
>
> > > What most people do not, or refuse, to see is that the USA was always
> > meant
> > > to be a union of 50 separate and sovereign states. Each very distinct and
> > > offering to its citizens that which suited its specific citizens most.
> > There
> > > was never an intension of "One law for all".
>
> > > Citizens (and only citizens of the several states) were to be allowed to
> > > travel freely between the states, There was to be no import/export tax
> > > between the states only at ports handling foreign trade ...(the biggest
> > > failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the main reason for the new
> > > Constitution, and Lincolns excuse for Ft. Sumter...tax collection). Only
> > the
> > > President is elected by all and only he was meant to be responsible at
> > > large. It is the responsibility of Congressmen to represent their
> > > constituency only (pork was just fine as deals had to be made that would
> > get
> > > enough votes...there was very little Federal money to go around),
> > Senators
> > > were originally designed to represent the needs of their state only under
> > > the guiding hand of each governor. The Feds were responsible for only a
> > VERY
> > > LIMITED military (basically the "officer corps") with the "standing army"
> > > made up ENTIRELY of the forces supplied by the states (thus the need to
> > > "Declare War" only by Congress assembled as their constituents were to be
> > > "called up")
>
> > > Laws about food safety, drugs, taxes, social welfare, medical, schools,
> > etc.
> > > are the absolute responsibility of each separate state ..... separately.
> > > This is what would make different states attractive to different people
> > and
> > > cause migration from one to another of both people and industry. States
> > were
> > > allowed to sue one another over (literally) bad things flowing
> > > downstream...this was the interstate control factor... the federal
> > courts.
>
> > > That these things are now dealt with by the Feds is indeed a usurpation
> > of
> > > and by the Feds.
>
> > > Want better schools ?? move east, The Feds were never meant to make
> > things
> > > equal... the states were never meant to be equal, all laws were never
> > meant
> > > to be equal....
>
> > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
>
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> > > > On May 2, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > You're being silly.
> > > > > Where in the constitution does it say government has the power
> > > > toregulatefood and drugs?
> > > > > Nowhere ... yet ANOTHER usurpation.The very reason for the US Code
> > (laws)
> > > > is to pick up where the
> > > > > constitution leaves off, AND to limit where it doesn't
> > > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > > > Jeffrey Tucker, Ditch the PlannersNo one so much as suggested such a
> > > > thing as the US Code in the first hundred years after the US
> > Constitution
> > > > was enacted. It would have been only a little longer than the
> > Constitution
> > > > itself. The first attempt to create such a compilation of laws occurred
> > in
> > > > 1878 but it languished because no one felt the need to update it. Then
> > in
> > > > 1926, in the midst of Prohibition when the feds became deeply involved
> > in
> > > > regulating the details of life, Congress made the thing come into
> > existence.
> > > > It is printed every six years.An institution was born, though most
> > people
> > > > know nothing of it. The next printing will come out in 2012, but the
> > 2006
> > > > with annotations was 356 thousand-plus-page volumes that cover every
> > aspect
> > > > of life as we know it. The next one will add many new sections and
> > probably
> > > > more than 100,000 pages.This is America's central plan -- or
> > ownGosplan, so
> > > > to speak -- and it is as elaborate and detailed as any set of laws that
> > have
> > > > ever governed any society in the history of the world. Much of this
> > central
> > > > plan is absorbed into our daily lives in ways that we don't notice or
> > aren't
> > > > aware of. This is supplemented by an additional layer of state and
> > local
> > > > regulations that have been pushed on these governments by higher
> > government
> > > > or grew up from within to adapt the central-planning ethos to the
> > particular
> > > > circumstances of place and time. The effect is the same: life amidst an
> > > > impossibly tangled legal thicket that grows more elaborate and complex
> > by
> > > > the day.It defies human comprehension but it is not without human
> > effect.
> > > > Every aspect of our lives is subjected to it from birth to death. Every
> > > > product we buy, every service we use, every decision we make is
> > filtered
> > > > through this morass. You can try this on your own by going
> > > > togpoaccess.govand typing in anything from chicken stock to funerals,
> > and
> > > > observe the state at work, managing the whole of life as we know it in
> > the
> > > > most minute detail one can imagine. Think of anything and search it,
> > and
> > > > then see if you think we enjoy "free enterprise."Regard$,
> > > > > --MJ"It is hard for the plain people to think about a thing, but easy
> > for
> > > > them to feel. Error, to hold their attention, must be visualized as a
> > > > villain, and the villain must proceed swiftly to his inevitable
> > retribution.
> > > > They can understand that process; it is simple, usual, satisfying; it
> > > > squares with their primitive conception of justice as a form of
> > revenge….
> > > > [The average reader] is not at all responsive to purely intellectual
> > > > argument, even when its theme is his own ultimate benefit…. But he is
> > very
> > > > responsive to emotional suggestion, particularly when it is crudely and
> > > > violently made, and it is to this weakness that the newspapers must
> > ever
> > > > address their endeavors. In brief, they must try to arouse his horror,
> > or
> > > > indignation, or pity, or simply his lust for slaughter. Once they have
> > done
> > > > that, they have him safely by the nose. He will follow blindly until
> > his
> > > > emotion wears out. He will be ready to believe anything, however
> > absurd, so
> > > > long as he is in his state of psychic tumescence." -- H. L. MenckenOn
> > Apr
> > > > 30, 3:50 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > That Government has AGAIN usurped Power nowhere provided it
> > > > notwithstanding, your claim makes no sense.
> > > > > > What about all those seeking to exercise their right to migrate who
> > > > have ZERO interest in Naturalization? Oh well.
> > > > > > Here is the Constitution:
> > > >http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txtNowhereisCongress
> > empowered
> > > > to make any laws/rules or otherwise concerning Immigration.
> > > > > > It is a necessity for the Nanny State to infringe rather than
> > secure
> > > > this right which is why we see this usurpation occurring at the outset
> > of
> > > > the (unconstitutional) Nanny State.
> > > > > > Regard$,
> > > > > > --MJ"Bryan Caplan has a damn good argument against the welfare
> > state:
> > > > Its existence will always be raised as a reason why free immigration
> > cannot
> > > > be permitted. Thus the theory of human rights is set against itself.
> > The
> > > > winner is power." -- Sheldon RichmanAt 12:26 PM 4/30/2011, you wrote:Oh
> > for
> > > > christ's sake MJ, controlling how people can become citizens
> > > > > > once they get here certainly includes whether or not then can get
> > > > > > here, and what we can do when they do.
> > > > > > Here is the US Code, as constitutionally enacted by Congress.
>
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