Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

you will find that the USA
was founded on Christian principal...NOT religion. There is a HUGE
difference between the two.
---
and a huge difference between a xian nation and one founded on xian
principles
so, you need to talk to Keith about it

the US supports Israel NOT because of any
particular religion they practice there (just as meany as in the USA)
but
because of its form of Government in an area of the world that
otherwise
lacks any true republic.
---
hogwash
without the xians and AIPAC blackmailing our politicians israel would
be just another shit hole in the middle east

As to discriminating against Muzzies... It's not done
---
Western support for the continued existence of the State of Israel has
been declared part of a "war against Islam." Osama bin Laden has
declared that "the West's rejection of the fairly elected Hamas
government is a reaffirmation of the 'injustice, aggression, and
rancor' against Palestinians." Enver Masud, an Indian Muslim and
author of the book The War on Islam says that while there are no
Muslims in high-level policy making and media jobs in the United
States, "Jewish Americans occupy nearly every single position relating
to US Arab-Israeli policy."

In modern day, events alleged to be attacks on Islam include media
portrayal of the religion and the War on Terrorism. Statements
portraying Islam as a destructive ideology have been made by Jerry
Falwell, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, V.S. Naipaul[36] and Ann Coulter
following the 9/11 attack.[37] Franklin Graham, the son of famed
American Christian evangelist Billy Graham, declared in November 2001
that "the God of Islam is not the same God. He's not the son of God of
the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God and I
believe it is a very evil and wicked religion."
U.S. and UK soldiers in Helmand province. George W. Bush's reference
to the invasion of Afghanistan as a crusade fuelled the idea that the
West was at war with Islam

On September 16, 2001, George W. Bush referred to the war in
Afghanistan as a Crusade: "This crusade, this war on terrorism is
going to take a while. And the American people must be patient. I'm
going to be patient."

According to Boston-based novelist and author James Carroll, the
conflict between Muslims and Westerners "has its origins more in `the
West` than in the House of Islam." And can be traced to "the poison
flower of the Crusades, with their denigrations of distant cultures,"
and other Western injustices.

Proponents of this view often consider the War on Terrorism with the
accompanying 2001 military activity in Afghanistan, 2003 invasion of
Iraq to be part of the war against Islam. The Western colonial
domination of the Middle East for a good part of the 20th Century is
also regarded as such an attack.


On Feb 28, 12:05 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Plainol... If you would actually bother to read you will find that the USA
> was founded on Christian principal...NOT religion. There is a HUGE
> difference between the two.
>
> If you also bothered to read something besides anti-religious blogs on the
> subject you would find that the US supports Israel NOT because of any
> particular religion they practice there (just as meany as in the USA) but
> because of its form of Government in an area of the world that otherwise
> lacks any true republic.
>
> As to discriminating against Muzzies... It's not done. Look to Egypt &
> Lybia & Iraq & &&&&, (the US aided in the overthrow of  secularist
> governments) much to their dismay, but done nonetheless.
>
> As to Homosexuals... they are bringing it on themselves...for the most part.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Franklin was but one myth believer.
>
> > but go ahead and think the USA is a xian nation if it makes you feel
> > better ... hopefully you'll be at peace while your children and
> > grandchildren are killing and dying to control the mythical holy land
> > and discriminating against muzzies and homosexuals.
>
> > On Feb 28, 9:59 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > That's just not true PlainOl.   Jefferson's words that you reference were
> > > only a ruse, and there have been numerous, contemporaneous articles
> > written
> > > at the time of the logic behind what Jefferson wrote at the time.
>
> > > Read Franklin's auto-biography!
>
> > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:55 AM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > see my above post
>
> > > > you can't void the fact that many religions were represented and all
> > > > were welcomed.
>
> > > > the US is not and never was intended to be a xian nation
>
> > > > On Feb 28, 9:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Good Morning PlainOl,
>
> > > > > *See* my above post.
>
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > They were Christians;
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > it doesn't matter if they were xians ... the USA is was intended
> > to be
> > > > > > a secular nation
>
> > > > > > they knew the evils of Islam;
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Jefferson demanded recognition of the religious rights of the
> > > > > > "Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his
> > old
> > > > > > ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June
> > 7,
> > > > > > 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True
> > freedom,"
> > > > > > Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as
> > well
> > > > > > as the Christian religion."
>
> > > > > >  and they
> > > > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
> > > > > > folks
> > > > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > wrong, I'm acknowledging history ... you're trying to rewrite US
> > > > > > history as wholly xian ... something that it is not
>
> > > > > > On Feb 28, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is
> > horse
> > > > > > > hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and
> > they
> > > > > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would
> > be
> > > > folks
> > > > > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican
> > > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost
> > > > funny.
>
> > > > > > > > He would very much like to
> > > > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was
> > > > founded
> > > > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > > Christian principles and tenets
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our
> > > > government.
> > > > > > > > While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did
> > many
> > > > > > > > believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of
> > other
> > > > > > > > religions or no religion at all.
> > > > > > > > To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it
> > a
> > > > xian
> > > > > > > > nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look
> > like
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > religious nutcase.
> > > > > > > > Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of
> > religion.
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hey Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very
> > much
> > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation
> > was
> > > > > > founded
> > > > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > > > Christian principles and tenets.
>
> > > > > > > > > As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden
> > > > Coffee
> > > > > > > > Table!
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation...
> > The
> > > > > > Church of
> > > > > > > > > > Gonz (send money or women)
> > > > > > > >http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> > > > > > > > > >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine
> > organization....
>
> > > > > > > > > > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held
> > beliefs to
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > "mainstream".
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious
> > > > nutcase
>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <
> > keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > > > > >> > Moonbatty.....
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > > > >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared
> > to
> > > > > > Romney
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like
> > the
> > > > the
> > > > > > jews,
> > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars.
> > > > > > Americans owe
> > > > > > > > > >> > > them nothing.
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > > > markmka...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Tommytomtom,
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"...
> > it
> > > > does
> > > > > > > > guarantee
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <
> > tommysn...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > From Greg
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME
> > > > WANT TO
> > > > > > > > THROW
> > > > > > > > > >> UP' -
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington
> > Post:"Rick
> > > > > > Santorum
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > >> Sunday
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I
> > don't
> > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > in an
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state
> > are
> > > > > > > > absolute,' he
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The
> > idea
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> church
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the
> > > > operation
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> state
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and
> > > > vision
> > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no
> > role in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he
> > made
> > > > last
> > > > > > > > > >> October. He
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading
> > JFK's
> > > > > > 1960
> > > > > > > > > >> speech in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the
> > separation of
> > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The
> > Press
> > > > host
> > > > > > David
> > > > > > > > > >> Gregory
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the
> > > > founders'
> > > > > > > > > >> vision.'
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on
> > religious
> > > > > > > > rhetoric
> > > > > > > > > >> in an
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super
> > > > Tuesday.
> > > > > > > > Last
> > > > > > > > > >> week,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama
> > > > believes
> > > > > > in]
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a
> > theology
> > > > based
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > More:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a
> > time.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a
> > time.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > --
>
> ...
>
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Re: Second Student Declared Brain Dead After Chardon Ohio School Shooting

Why in the hell would you want guns banned Tommytomtom? It is the only
defense against a tyrannical government...

On Feb 28, 10:46 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Get rid of the guns and stop the gun violence! -T
>
> Student Declared Brain Dead After Ohio Shooting
>
> David Maxwell/European Pressphoto Agency
> Samantha Kimball consoled her younger brother Daniel after a fatal
> shooting at a high school in Chardon, Ohio.
>
> By SABRINA TAVERNISE and JESS BIDGOOD
> Published: February 28, 2012
> An Ohio State Police helicopter landing at Chardon High School on
> Monday as students and parents left the campus. A 16-year-old junior
> was shot and killed.
> Enlarge This Image
>
> The Associated Press reported that Hugh Shannon, administrator at the
> Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office, said officials there
> received the word early Tuesday about the student Russell King Jr.
> Another student died Monday and three others were injured.
>
> "The cause and manner of death of this case are under ongoing
> investigation and will be released upon completion," Mr. Shannon said
> in a statement to The Associated Press.
>
> Here in Chardon on Tuesday, a lone flag flew at half-staff outside the
> two-story yellow brick high school building. Several small bouquets of
> flowers in plastic were placed near an entrance to the high school,
> near a sign that read, "Keep our students in your thoughts and
> prayers."
>
> The school was closed, its parking lot largely empty and its doors
> locked. A near complete silence had settled over the area. Across the
> street at Maple Elementary school, grief counselors were on duty.
>
>  The local police in Chardon, a town of 5,000, said they had
> apprehended a teenage suspect on Monday afternoon, but Tim McKenna,
> the police chief, said they could not identify him publicly because he
> was a juvenile.
>
>  But the family of T. J. Lane, a sophomore who is being held as a
> suspect, made his identity public on Monday night when they issued a
> statement through a lawyer on WKYC-TV in Cleveland. In the statement,
> the Lane family said that they were devastated by the news and that
> they wanted "to extend their heartfelt and sincere condolences" to the
> victims and their families.
>
> Mr. Lane's family was not speaking to the media on Tuesday morning. On
> a wooded road in Chardon Township, a large wooden house with brown and
> green trim that was listed as belonging to the Mr. Lane's
> grandparents, was dark and silent.
>
> A young man who appeared to be in his 20s got out of his car in the
> driveway but did not identify himself; he told a reporter that Mr.
> Lane's family had no information.
>
> "We don't know any more than the police and the F.B.I.," the man said,
> before driving away.
>
> T. J. is a student at Lake Academy, an alternative high school for
> troubled students. "By all accounts, T. J. is a fairly quiet and a
> good kid," said Robert N. Farinacci, the Lanes' lawyer, who noted that
> T. J. had never been in trouble before.
>
> Students at Chardon High School said they heard screams around 7:40
> a.m., the time the authorities said the shooting took place, and
> described spreading panic as teachers locked down classrooms and
> students started sending text messages to friends. One teacher was
> said to have dragged a wounded student into his classroom for
> protection.
>
> "I saw two girls running away screaming, and I heard an administrator
> come on saying we're in lockdown," said Brady Lawrence, 17, a senior
> who was in his English class, near the cafeteria, when the shooting
> began.
>
>  The classroom collapsed in confusion, he said in an interview, as
> students tried to figure out the gunman's location.  "We just didn't
> know where he was," he said. "They were saying he was loose, and we
> were scared."
>
>  The authorities identified the dead student as Daniel Parmertor, a
> 16-year-old junior. They said one student was in critical condition,
> while two others appeared to be stable.
>
> According to The Associated Press, Daniel, an aspiring computer
> repairman, was shot while waiting in the cafeteria for a bus for his
> daily 15-minute ride to a vocational center. "We are shocked by this
> senseless tragedy," his family said in a statement. "Danny was a
> bright young boy who had a bright future ahead of him. The family is
> torn by this loss."
>
> Danny Komertz, a student, told The Associated Press that the gunman
> appeared to have focused on a group of students. "I looked up and this
> kid was pointing a gun about 10 feet away from me to a group of four
> kids sitting at a table," he said.
>
> Brady Lawrence, from the English class, said students tried to call
> their friends and families but the network was overloaded. He said
> Daniel Parmertor was his neighbor. "I feel so bad for the family,"
> Brady said. "They're good people. I'm still kind of in shock. I really
> can't believe he's dead right now."
>
> WTAM-AM, a news radio station in Cleveland, bumped Rush Limbaugh's
> program on Monday, giving the local host Mike Trivisonno seven hours
> to discuss the shootings. Mr. Trivisonno said callers were lined up
> all day, with listeners weighing in on the roles that bullying, social
> media, gun laws and parenting might have played in the shooting.
>
> "It can happen anywhere, and does," Mr. Trivisonno said on the air in
> response to a caller who wondered if a divide between the area's rural
> and suburban populations might have contributed to the shootings. "It
> can happen anywhere."
>
> Jennifer Preston contributed reporting from New York.
>
> More:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/victim-in-ohio-school-shooting-d...
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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the few, the proud, the gay!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107338/Gay-marines-follow-wake-lesbian-home-coming-kiss.html?ICO=most_read_module

even homosexuals will kill for politicians, oil and israel

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Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

Plainol... If you would actually bother to read you will find that the USA was founded on Christian principal...NOT religion. There is a HUGE difference between the two. 

If you also bothered to read something besides anti-religious blogs on the subject you would find that the US supports Israel NOT because of any particular religion they practice there (just as meany as in the USA) but because of its form of Government in an area of the world that otherwise lacks any true republic. 

As to discriminating against Muzzies... It's not done. Look to Egypt & Lybia & Iraq & &&&&, (the US aided in the overthrow of  secularist governments) much to their dismay, but done nonetheless. 

As to Homosexuals... they are bringing it on themselves...for the most part.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
Franklin was but one myth believer.

but go ahead and think the USA is a xian nation if it makes you feel
better ... hopefully you'll be at peace while your children and
grandchildren are killing and dying to control the mythical holy land
and discriminating against muzzies and homosexuals.

On Feb 28, 9:59 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's just not true PlainOl.   Jefferson's words that you reference were
> only a ruse, and there have been numerous, contemporaneous articles written
> at the time of the logic behind what Jefferson wrote at the time.
>
> Read Franklin's auto-biography!
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:55 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > see my above post
>
> > you can't void the fact that many religions were represented and all
> > were welcomed.
>
> > the US is not and never was intended to be a xian nation
>
> > On Feb 28, 9:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Good Morning PlainOl,
>
> > > *See* my above post.
>
> > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > They were Christians;
> > > > ----
> > > > it doesn't matter if they were xians ... the USA is was intended to be
> > > > a secular nation
>
> > > > they knew the evils of Islam;
> > > > ---
> > > > Jefferson demanded recognition of the religious rights of the
> > > > "Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his old
> > > > ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7,
> > > > 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True freedom,"
> > > > Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well
> > > > as the Christian religion."
>
> > > >  and they
> > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
> > > > folks
> > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > ---
> > > > wrong, I'm acknowledging history ... you're trying to rewrite US
> > > > history as wholly xian ... something that it is not
>
> > > > On Feb 28, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is horse
> > > > > hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and they
> > > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
> > folks
> > > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican
> > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost
> > funny.
>
> > > > > > He would very much like to
> > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was
> > founded
> > > > > > upon
> > > > > > Christian principles and tenets
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our
> > government.
> > > > > > While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did many
> > > > > > believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of other
> > > > > > religions or no religion at all.
> > > > > > To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it a
> > xian
> > > > > > nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look like
> > a
> > > > > > religious nutcase.
> > > > > > Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion.
>
> > > > > > On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Mark!
>
> > > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very much
> > > > like to
> > > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was
> > > > founded
> > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > Christian principles and tenets.
>
> > > > > > > As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden
> > Coffee
> > > > > > Table!
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation... The
> > > > Church of
> > > > > > > > Gonz (send money or women)
> > > > > >http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> > > > > > > >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine organization....
>
> > > > > > > > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held beliefs to
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > "mainstream".
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious
> > nutcase
>
> > > > > > > >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom
> > sounds
> > > > > > > >> > Moonbatty.....
>
> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared to
> > > > Romney
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > Paul.
> > > > > > > >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like the
> > the
> > > > jews,
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > > >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> > > > > > > >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars.
> > > > Americans owe
> > > > > > > >> > > them nothing.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > markmka...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > Tommytomtom,
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"... it
> > does
> > > > > > guarantee
> > > > > > > >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > From Greg
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME
> > WANT TO
> > > > > > THROW
> > > > > > > >> UP' -
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington Post:"Rick
> > > > Santorum
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >> Sunday
> > > > > > > >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I don't
> > > > believe
> > > > > > in an
> > > > > > > >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state are
> > > > > > absolute,' he
> > > > > > > >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The idea
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> church
> > > > > > > >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the
> > operation
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> state
> > > > > > > >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and
> > vision
> > > > of our
> > > > > > > >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no role in
> > the
> > > > > > public
> > > > > > > >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made
> > last
> > > > > > > >> October. He
> > > > > > > >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading JFK's
> > > > 1960
> > > > > > > >> speech in
> > > > > > > >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the separation of
> > > > church
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press
> > host
> > > > David
> > > > > > > >> Gregory
> > > > > > > >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the
> > founders'
> > > > > > > >> vision.'
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on religious
> > > > > > rhetoric
> > > > > > > >> in an
> > > > > > > >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super
> > Tuesday.
> > > > > > Last
> > > > > > > >> week,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama
> > believes
> > > > in]
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a theology
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > More:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
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> > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
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Fwd: Join Me for a Rally Today in Virginia





Dear Bruce,

Super Tuesday is fast approaching.
 
And with only two candidates on the ballot in Virginia, I'm hopeful for a very strong finish on Super Tuesday!
 
That's why I'm writing to personally invite you to join me for a special rally I'm holding in Springfield on Tuesday, February 28.
 
Won't you also bring as many friends, family members, and neighbors with you as possible?
 
With out-of-control spending, TRILLION-dollar deficits, and sky-high unemployment, the economy is on the forefront of virtually everyone's mind this election year.
 
I believe now - more than ever - voters all across the country are yearning for a return to balanced budgets, sound money, free markets, individual liberty, and constitutional government.
 
And the truth is, I'm the only candidate in this race offering voters a REAL plan to do just that.
 
My Plan to Restore America cuts $1 TRILLION in federal spending during the first year of my presidency by eliminating five unconstitutional departments – and it balances our budget by the third year.
 
I do this without cutting one dime from national defense, seniors, or veterans benefits.
 
As the only candidate who predicted this entire economic mess we're in long before it happened, I believe I'm the only one who knows what it takes to get America back on track.
 
That's why I hope you'll join me for a rally in Springfield this Tuesday, February 28.
 
The details of the rally I told you about are as follows:
 
Tuesday, February 28, 2012

6:30 p.m.
Springfield Rally
The Waterford
6715 Commerce Street
Springfield, Virginia 22150
Directions are available HERE.
 
Doors open to the public at 6:00 p.m., and there will be a cash bar available until 9:30 p.m.
 
I hope to see you at this event.
 
And please bring as many folks with you as possible to hear about my plan to Restore America NOW!

For Liberty,


Ron Paul

P.S.  I'm hosting a rally in Springfield, Virginia, this Tuesday, February 28.
 
The event will be held at The Waterford, located at 6715 Commerce Street in Springfield. You can get directions HERE.
 
At the rally, I'll share with you my plan to restore the founding principles of individual liberty, free markets, sound money, and constitutional government that made America the freest, most prosperous nation on earth.
 
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Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

Franklin was but one myth believer.

but go ahead and think the USA is a xian nation if it makes you feel
better ... hopefully you'll be at peace while your children and
grandchildren are killing and dying to control the mythical holy land
and discriminating against muzzies and homosexuals.

On Feb 28, 9:59 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's just not true PlainOl.   Jefferson's words that you reference were
> only a ruse, and there have been numerous, contemporaneous articles written
> at the time of the logic behind what Jefferson wrote at the time.
>
> Read Franklin's auto-biography!
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:55 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > see my above post
>
> > you can't void the fact that many religions were represented and all
> > were welcomed.
>
> > the US is not and never was intended to be a xian nation
>
> > On Feb 28, 9:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Good Morning PlainOl,
>
> > > *See* my above post.
>
> > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > They were Christians;
> > > > ----
> > > > it doesn't matter if they were xians ... the USA is was intended to be
> > > > a secular nation
>
> > > > they knew the evils of Islam;
> > > > ---
> > > > Jefferson demanded recognition of the religious rights of the
> > > > "Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his old
> > > > ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7,
> > > > 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True freedom,"
> > > > Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well
> > > > as the Christian religion."
>
> > > >  and they
> > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
> > > > folks
> > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > ---
> > > > wrong, I'm acknowledging history ... you're trying to rewrite US
> > > > history as wholly xian ... something that it is not
>
> > > > On Feb 28, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is horse
> > > > > hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and they
> > > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
> > folks
> > > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican
> > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost
> > funny.
>
> > > > > > He would very much like to
> > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was
> > founded
> > > > > > upon
> > > > > > Christian principles and tenets
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our
> > government.
> > > > > > While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did many
> > > > > > believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of other
> > > > > > religions or no religion at all.
> > > > > > To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it a
> > xian
> > > > > > nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look like
> > a
> > > > > > religious nutcase.
> > > > > > Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion.
>
> > > > > > On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Mark!
>
> > > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very much
> > > > like to
> > > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was
> > > > founded
> > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > Christian principles and tenets.
>
> > > > > > > As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden
> > Coffee
> > > > > > Table!
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation... The
> > > > Church of
> > > > > > > > Gonz (send money or women)
> > > > > >http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> > > > > > > >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine organization....
>
> > > > > > > > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held beliefs to
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > "mainstream".
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious
> > nutcase
>
> > > > > > > >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom
> > sounds
> > > > > > > >> > Moonbatty.....
>
> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared to
> > > > Romney
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > Paul.
> > > > > > > >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like the
> > the
> > > > jews,
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > > >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> > > > > > > >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars.
> > > > Americans owe
> > > > > > > >> > > them nothing.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > markmka...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > Tommytomtom,
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"... it
> > does
> > > > > > guarantee
> > > > > > > >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > From Greg
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME
> > WANT TO
> > > > > > THROW
> > > > > > > >> UP' -
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington Post:"Rick
> > > > Santorum
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >> Sunday
> > > > > > > >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I don't
> > > > believe
> > > > > > in an
> > > > > > > >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state are
> > > > > > absolute,' he
> > > > > > > >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The idea
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> church
> > > > > > > >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the
> > operation
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> state
> > > > > > > >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and
> > vision
> > > > of our
> > > > > > > >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no role in
> > the
> > > > > > public
> > > > > > > >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made
> > last
> > > > > > > >> October. He
> > > > > > > >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading JFK's
> > > > 1960
> > > > > > > >> speech in
> > > > > > > >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the separation of
> > > > church
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press
> > host
> > > > David
> > > > > > > >> Gregory
> > > > > > > >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the
> > founders'
> > > > > > > >> vision.'
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on religious
> > > > > > rhetoric
> > > > > > > >> in an
> > > > > > > >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super
> > Tuesday.
> > > > > > Last
> > > > > > > >> week,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama
> > believes
> > > > in]
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a theology
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > More:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
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> > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
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Second Student Declared Brain Dead After Chardon Ohio School Shooting

Get rid of the guns and stop the gun violence! -T

Student Declared Brain Dead After Ohio Shooting

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Samantha Kimball consoled her younger brother Daniel after a fatal
shooting at a high school in Chardon, Ohio.

By SABRINA TAVERNISE and JESS BIDGOOD
Published: February 28, 2012
An Ohio State Police helicopter landing at Chardon High School on
Monday as students and parents left the campus. A 16-year-old junior
was shot and killed.
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The Associated Press reported that Hugh Shannon, administrator at the
Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office, said officials there
received the word early Tuesday about the student Russell King Jr.
Another student died Monday and three others were injured.

"The cause and manner of death of this case are under ongoing
investigation and will be released upon completion," Mr. Shannon said
in a statement to The Associated Press.

Here in Chardon on Tuesday, a lone flag flew at half-staff outside the
two-story yellow brick high school building. Several small bouquets of
flowers in plastic were placed near an entrance to the high school,
near a sign that read, "Keep our students in your thoughts and
prayers."

The school was closed, its parking lot largely empty and its doors
locked. A near complete silence had settled over the area. Across the
street at Maple Elementary school, grief counselors were on duty.

The local police in Chardon, a town of 5,000, said they had
apprehended a teenage suspect on Monday afternoon, but Tim McKenna,
the police chief, said they could not identify him publicly because he
was a juvenile.

But the family of T. J. Lane, a sophomore who is being held as a
suspect, made his identity public on Monday night when they issued a
statement through a lawyer on WKYC-TV in Cleveland. In the statement,
the Lane family said that they were devastated by the news and that
they wanted "to extend their heartfelt and sincere condolences" to the
victims and their families.

Mr. Lane's family was not speaking to the media on Tuesday morning. On
a wooded road in Chardon Township, a large wooden house with brown and
green trim that was listed as belonging to the Mr. Lane's
grandparents, was dark and silent.

A young man who appeared to be in his 20s got out of his car in the
driveway but did not identify himself; he told a reporter that Mr.
Lane's family had no information.

"We don't know any more than the police and the F.B.I.," the man said,
before driving away.

T. J. is a student at Lake Academy, an alternative high school for
troubled students. "By all accounts, T. J. is a fairly quiet and a
good kid," said Robert N. Farinacci, the Lanes' lawyer, who noted that
T. J. had never been in trouble before.

Students at Chardon High School said they heard screams around 7:40
a.m., the time the authorities said the shooting took place, and
described spreading panic as teachers locked down classrooms and
students started sending text messages to friends. One teacher was
said to have dragged a wounded student into his classroom for
protection.

"I saw two girls running away screaming, and I heard an administrator
come on saying we're in lockdown," said Brady Lawrence, 17, a senior
who was in his English class, near the cafeteria, when the shooting
began.

The classroom collapsed in confusion, he said in an interview, as
students tried to figure out the gunman's location. "We just didn't
know where he was," he said. "They were saying he was loose, and we
were scared."

The authorities identified the dead student as Daniel Parmertor, a
16-year-old junior. They said one student was in critical condition,
while two others appeared to be stable.

According to The Associated Press, Daniel, an aspiring computer
repairman, was shot while waiting in the cafeteria for a bus for his
daily 15-minute ride to a vocational center. "We are shocked by this
senseless tragedy," his family said in a statement. "Danny was a
bright young boy who had a bright future ahead of him. The family is
torn by this loss."

Danny Komertz, a student, told The Associated Press that the gunman
appeared to have focused on a group of students. "I looked up and this
kid was pointing a gun about 10 feet away from me to a group of four
kids sitting at a table," he said.

Brady Lawrence, from the English class, said students tried to call
their friends and families but the network was overloaded. He said
Daniel Parmertor was his neighbor. "I feel so bad for the family,"
Brady said. "They're good people. I'm still kind of in shock. I really
can't believe he's dead right now."

WTAM-AM, a news radio station in Cleveland, bumped Rush Limbaugh's
program on Monday, giving the local host Mike Trivisonno seven hours
to discuss the shootings. Mr. Trivisonno said callers were lined up
all day, with listeners weighing in on the roles that bullying, social
media, gun laws and parenting might have played in the shooting.

"It can happen anywhere, and does," Mr. Trivisonno said on the air in
response to a caller who wondered if a divide between the area's rural
and suburban populations might have contributed to the shootings. "It
can happen anywhere."

Jennifer Preston contributed reporting from New York.

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/victim-in-ohio-school-shooting-declared-brain-dead.html

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Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

Good Morning PlainOl,
 
See my above post.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
They were Christians;
----
it doesn't matter if they were xians ... the USA is was intended to be
a secular nation

they knew the evils of Islam;
---
Jefferson demanded recognition of the religious rights of the
"Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his old
ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7,
1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True freedom,"
Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well
as the Christian religion."

 and they
knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
folks
like you who would attempt to re-write history.
---
wrong, I'm acknowledging history ... you're trying to rewrite US
history as wholly xian ... something that it is not

On Feb 28, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is horse
> hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and they
> knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be folks
> like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
> > ---
> > You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost funny.
>
> > He would very much like to
> > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was founded
> > upon
> > Christian principles and tenets
> > ---
> > by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our government.
> > While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did many
> > believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of other
> > religions or no religion at all.
> > To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it a xian
> > nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look like a
> > religious nutcase.
> > Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion.
>
> > On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey Mark!
>
> > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very much like to
> > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was founded
> > upon
> > > Christian principles and tenets.
>
> > > As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden Coffee
> > Table!
>
> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation... The Church of
> > > > Gonz (send money or women)
> >http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> > > >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine organization....
>
> > > > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held beliefs to
> > anything
> > > > "mainstream".
>
> > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious nutcase
>
> > > >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom sounds
> > > >> > Moonbatty.....
>
> > > >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared to Romney
> > and
> > > >> > > Paul.
> > > >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like the the jews,
> > want
> > > >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> > > >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars. Americans owe
> > > >> > > them nothing.
>
> > > >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > Tommytomtom,
>
> > > >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"... it does
> > guarantee
> > > >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> > > >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > From Greg
>
> > > >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO
> > THROW
> > > >> UP' -
>
> > > >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington Post:"Rick Santorum
> > on
> > > >> Sunday
> > > >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I don't believe
> > in an
> > > >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state are
> > absolute,' he
> > > >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The idea that
> > the
> > > >> church
> > > >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of
> > the
> > > >> state
> > > >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our
> > > >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no role in the
> > public
> > > >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made last
> > > >> October. He
> > > >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading JFK's 1960
> > > >> speech in
> > > >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the separation of church
> > and
> > > >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press host David
> > > >> Gregory
> > > >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the founders'
> > > >> vision.'
>
> > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on religious
> > rhetoric
> > > >> in an
> > > >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super Tuesday.
> > Last
> > > >> week,
> > > >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama believes in]
> > some
> > > >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a theology based on
> > the
> > > >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> > > >> > > > > More:
> > > >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> > > >> > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
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Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

Good Morning Michael, 
 
One source that I think would be a good place to start, to document what many of our Founding Fathers thought and believed, would be Benjamin Franklin's auto-biography.  The true, correct version of Franklin's auto-biography is getting harder and harder to find,  because most Jews, revisionists and secularists would not like for the American public to know what is written there,  but Franklin accurately and definitively describes not only his own personal beliefs,  but the beliefs that many of his compatriots felt during the era.   You can still obtain a true and correct copy of Franklin's auto-biography through Barnes and Noble,  but very few libraries,  and Amazon.com do not carry the unabridged version any longer.
 
Dr. James Kennedy I thnk aptly described Thomas Jefferson's Christian beliefs, and succinctly debunked the theory that Jefferson was only a Deist:
 
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

I am not certain if our tongue is firmly planted in your cheek, but how about some EVIDENCE to support your claims.

Regard$,
--MJ

Although it had its share of strenuous Christians... the gathering at Philadelphia was largely made up of men in whom the old fires were under control or had even flickered out. Most were nominally members of one of the traditional churches in their part of the country.. and most were men who could take their religion or leave it alone. Although no one in this sober gathering would have dreamed of invoking the Goddess of Reason, neither would anyone have dared to proclaim his opinions had the support of the God of Abraham and Paul. The Convention of 1787 was highly rationalist and even secular in spirit. -- Clinton Rossiter, 1787; The Grand Convention, pp. 147-148



At 10:22 AM 2/28/2012, you wrote:
That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is horse hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and they knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be folks like you who would attempt to re-write history. 
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican < plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
---
You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost funny.

He would very much like to
rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was founded
upon
Christian principles and tenets
---
by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our government.
While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did many
believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of other
religions or no religion at all.
To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it a xian
nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look like a
religious nutcase.
Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion.

On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hey Mark!
>
> PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very much like to
> rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was founded upon
> Christian principles and tenets.
>
> As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden Coffee Table!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation... The Church of
> > Gonz (send money or women)  http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine organization....
>
> > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held beliefs to anything
> > "mainstream".
>
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious nutcase
>
> >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom sounds
> >> > Moonbatty.....
>
> >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared to Romney and
> >> > > Paul.
> >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like the the jews, want
> >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars. Americans owe
> >> > > them nothing.
>
> >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Tommytomtom,
>
> >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"... it does guarantee
> >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > From Greg
>
> >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW
> >> UP' -
>
> >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington Post:"Rick Santorum on
> >> Sunday
> >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I don't believe in an
> >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state are absolute,' he
> >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The idea that the
> >> church
> >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the
> >> state
> >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our
> >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no role in the public
> >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made last
> >> October. He
> >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading JFK's 1960
> >> speech in
> >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the separation of church and
> >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press host David
> >> Gregory
> >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the founders'
> >> vision.'
>
> >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on religious rhetoric
> >> in an
> >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super Tuesday. Last
> >> week,
> >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama believes in] some
> >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a theology based on the
> >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> >> > > > > More:
> >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> >> > > > > Have a great day,
> >> > > > > Tommy
>
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