Wednesday, May 30, 2012

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THE NAME OF "ALLAH"
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Obama administration to outlaw shotguns




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Obama administration to outlaw shotguns

by Dr. Eowyn

Second Amendment alert!

Jack Minor of The Greeley Gazette writes:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is taking a rare step of allowing public comments prior to issuing a decision on a study that could result in outlawing certain types of shotguns currently available to citizens.

The ATF completed a study regarding the importability of certain shotguns. The basis for a possible ban is based on a loosely defined "Sporting Purpose" test. Using the vague definition almost all pump-action and semi-automatic shotguns could be banned as they are all capable of accepting a magazine, box or tube capable of holding more than 5 rounds. Other characteristics determined to be "military" by the ATF can also be used as a basis for a ban.

Ironically, many shotguns with "military" features are currently being used in shooting competitions held by the USPSA, IDPA and IPSC. The rules could also result in obscure regulations where an individual would be unsure if he is violating them or not.

Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it "will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns."

 The ATF is currently allowing public comments on the study until the end of the month. Those wishing to express concerns about the study can send an email to shotgunstudy@atf.gov

H/t Libertarian Review and FOTM's Eye Wide Shut.

~Eowyn

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What Did Obama Mean by Change? (Cenk Uygur's Latest Blog)

On the other hand, if he can't even do this, then it's obvious that
the Democrats will never, ever help us. It will be painfully clear
that they are part of the same corrupt system and have no interest in
ever changing it. In fact, they love that system because it is what
keeps them in office.

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How enlisted men celebrate Memorial Day



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How enlisted men celebrate Memorial Day

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~Eowyn

Dr. Eowyn | May 30, 2012 at 3:00 am | Categories: Humor, Military, United States | URL: http://wp.me/pKuKY-eHA

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Re: House to Vote on Ron Paul Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve

the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Department, and their cronies on
Wall Street have for nearly four years been engaged in the worst
plundering of a country's wealth in the history of civilization,"
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yet they still get their 6%

The U.S. Government receives all of the system's annual profits, after
a statutory dividend of 6% on member banks' capital investment is
paid.


On May 30, 6:58 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Monday, 28 May 2012 12:09House to Vote on Ron Paul Bill to Audit the Federal ReserveWritten by Alex Newman
> GOP leadership in the House of Representativesannouncedthat legislation to thoroughly audit the secretive Federal Reserve, a wildly popular measure pushed by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) for decades, will come up for a floor vote in July. Honest-money advocates and pro-transparency activists celebrated the news as a historic opportunity to rein in the central bank, which has come under heavy fire especially in recent years for debasing the U.S. dollar, manipulating markets, and showering big banks with trillions in bailouts.
> The legislation,H.R. 459, already has over 225 co-sponsors in the House including an impressive roster of senior Democrats and Republicans, some of whom chair important committees. In the Senate, however, a similar bill has only about 20 co-sponsors so far, forcing Audit-the-Fed activists to wage a massive campaign aimed at exposing Senators who refuse to support transparency at the shadowy central bank. Polls in recent years revealed that four out of five Americans support auditing the Fed.
> "The Fed has proven it cannot be trusted and must be audited. While the banksters' dangerous schemes have been going on for years, the bailouts exposed the trillions being stolen from the American people," noted Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a sponsor of the Senate legislation and the son of Congressman Ron Paul. "It is time to Audit the Fed. Time to shine a bright spotlight on the largest theft in American history."
> But victory in what Sen. Paul called this "vital effort to rein in the Federal Reserve" will not be easy, he noted. The establishment is already fighting back hard against the plan in an effort to shield the controversial institution from public scrutiny. And as the battle heats up, the Fed and its supporters will not give up easily.
> "As we enter this critical time, we have an unprecedented chance to finish this fight and finally hold the Fed accountable for all it has done to wreck our economy and endanger our nation," Sen. Paul concluded. "Don't let this opportunity slip away."
> Experts and economic analysts have long said that if citizens understood what was really going on behind closed doors at the privately owned central bank, a tsunami of outrage would almost certainly force politicians to shut down the Fed and restore honest money once and for all. Even awatered-down audit, passed as part of the broader Dodd-Frank financial-reform bill, exposed blatant conflicts of interest among top Fed officials as well as some $16 trillion in Fed bailouts to big banks around the world.
> Public outrage was unprecedented. Millions of Americans who had never even seriously contemplated the institution or its functions demanded reform. And lawmakers, political candidates, and grassroots organizations realizing that there was no way the cat was going back in the bag eventually jumped on the bandwagon, too.
> "This historic moment is only possible thanks to your relentless pressure. Now we must turn up the heat to secure victory first in the House and then in Harry Reid's U.S. Senate," wrote Vice-President Matt Hawes of the freedom-promoting Campaign for Liberty, one of the organizations leading the public battle for an audit that is planning a huge operation to make sure the legislation becomes law. "Now, we just need to show Congress the American people demand action on the Audit the Fed bill."
> With the looming vote, officials will soon have the chance to demonstrate whether their loyalty lies with the American people or with the mega-banks that literally own and control the Fed system. "You see, with the piling up of trillions of dollars in reckless bailouts of Wall Street and international bankers, even many politicians in Washington, D.C. want to show you they're 'being responsible,' " Hawes explained. "What better way for Congress to do this than by auditing the Federal Reserve to account for the trillions stolen from the U.S. taxpayers?"
> The Fed, of course, has fiendishly resisted an audit going so far as to hire a lobbyist to defend its interests on Capitol Hill while producing pro-central bank propaganda aimed at children all under the guise of maintaining its supposed "independence." But activists and monetary-policy experts suspect something far more sinister is going on.
> "They know coming clean with Congress and the American people on what they've done to our money would result in an anti-Fed firestorm," noted Hawes, echoing comments made by a vast array of experts and policy makers who support sound money. "So can you imagine the impact of a full-scale audit?"
> According to Hawes, the Campaign for Liberty, and numerous economists, auditing the Fed would expose the destructive economic consequences of centrally planning interest rates and manipulating the supply of currency. It would also show that the central banking system leads to the destruction of the middle class, the destruction of the currency, and eventually, chaos.
> "You and I have seen the damage the out-of-control Fed can cause, especially during a time of crisis. As you know, the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Department, and their cronies on Wall Street have for nearly four years been engaged in the worst plundering of a country's wealth in the history of civilization," Hawes explained in a letter to supporters soliciting help for the battle ahead.
> "Americans are crushed under a mountain of debt, yet the Fed continues to print more money backed by nothing but the whims of Ben Bernanke and international bankers," he added. "If you and I don't put an end to it all, it will clearly be the ruin of our entire way of life." The next crisis, experts believe, could be just around the corner.
> Other commentators backing the legislation also emphasized that the time to move on this crucial measure is now for more than one reason. "As the global financial system teeters on the cusp of another recession, and nations throughout the Eurozone fall to economic insolvency, the time appears right for Congress to finally address the issue of the Federal Reserve, especially before their original 100-year charter expires," wrote finance analyst Kenneth Schortgen Jr with theExaminer.
> Even the debate will have a big impact, too. "[House Majority Leader] Eric Cantor's decision as a prime leader in the Republican party to bring the bill before Congress in July will have staggering effects on what the Fed may have to reveal in subpoenaed testimony, and what efforts they may be handcuffed from doing going forward if the economy continues to decline," Schortgenexplained. But actually passing the full bill, its supporters say, is more crucial than ever.
> While Rep. Paul has been a longtime leader in the movement to expose, rein in, and eventually abolish the Fed, the public outcry about the issue has become so loud that lawmakers in both parties have taken up the call as well. During a recent hearing in Paul's subcommittee on monetary policy, a bipartisan collection of legislators and experts discussed whether the Fed should bereformed or simply dismantled. Progress in addressing the problems, while slow, is expected to speed up.http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/11527-house-to-vote-on-ron-paul-bill-to-audit-the-federal-reserve

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Re: **JP** Shah Ky Kutty / Dog.,....

Maza to tab ha,,, kaya yeh Shah aur kaya Shah kay Kuttay,,,, ooper say lay ker neechay tak,,, saray kay saaray,,, aaeynda election maen aisay gum gashta ho jaeay,,, jaisay gadday kay sar say seeng,,,,aur aik bhee VOTE inn ki taraf nah janay paey. Awwam un naas nay agar ab bhee apni aankhen nah kholien,,, to yeh to phir say apnay lao lashkar kay saath doosri mudat ki hakumat karnay kay khawb daikh rahay haen....
so,,,, MUSHTARI HUSHIYAAR BAASH

2012/5/30 hafeez rehman <hrehman11@gmail.com>
ڈیئر
ہمارے حکمران کتوں کی خصلت پر پورے اترتے ہیں کیونکہ ان کو ہڈی امریکہ سے ملتی ہے اسلئے یہ امریکہ کے وفادار ہیں انہیں پاکستان اور اس کے عوام سے کوئی دلچسپی یا سروکا ر نہیں
لگتا ہے انہوں نے امریکہ کو اپنا خدا بنا لیا ہے جو کہتے ہیں کہ امریکہ کے معافی مانگنے سے شہید زندہ نہیں ہو جائیں گے۔ لعنت ہے ایسے حکمرانوں پر۔۔۔۔۔


2012/5/28 aamir_bhatti bhatti <aamir_bhatti@msn.com>
Please do not call them "Kuttay" (Dogs).
 
Dogs are very faithful animals, these creatures can not match a Dog ever..... So please call them "Suwwar" Pigs, Boar, or maybe Hyena. These are more suitable words for them.
 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 3:30 PM
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ڈاکٹر عاصم حسین نے گیس کی قیمتوں میں کمی کی اوگرا کی سفارش مسترد کردی
Updated 19 hours ago
 
اسلام آباد … وفاقی وزیر پیٹرولیم ڈاکٹر عاصم حسین نے اوگرا حکام کو دھمکی دی ہے کہ گیس کی قیمتیں کم کرنے کی بات کرتے ہو، آپ کے خلاف وزیر اعظم کو خط لکھوں گا، وزیر پیٹرولیم ڈاکٹر عاصم حسین نے اوگرا کو ایک بے سمت ادارہ قرار د ے دیا۔ جیونیوز سے گفتگو کرتے ہوئے ڈاکٹر عاصم نے کہا کہ اوگرا اوگرا کی طرف سے گیس کی قیمتوں میں کمی کی سفارشات کو مسترد کرتا ہوں۔ انہوں نے اوگرا کے خلاف وزیر اعظم کو خط لکھنے کا علان کیا، اوگرا کی طرف سے وزارت پیٹرولیم کو ایک ہفتے قبل وزارت پیٹرولیم کو بھیجی گئی اپنی سفارشات میں نئے مالی سال سے گیس کی قیمتوں میں کمی کی سفارشات پر مبنی سمری وزارت پیٹرولیم کو ارسال کی تھی جس میں سوئی ناردرن کیلئے 47 روپے اور سدرن کے سسٹم پر گیس کی قیمت میں 34 روپے فی ایم ایم بی ٹی یو کمی کی سفارش کی گئی تھی۔


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Re: **JP** Shah Ky Kutty / Dog.,....

ڈیئر
ہمارے حکمران کتوں کی خصلت پر پورے اترتے ہیں کیونکہ ان کو ہڈی امریکہ سے ملتی ہے اسلئے یہ امریکہ کے وفادار ہیں انہیں پاکستان اور اس کے عوام سے کوئی دلچسپی یا سروکا ر نہیں
لگتا ہے انہوں نے امریکہ کو اپنا خدا بنا لیا ہے جو کہتے ہیں کہ امریکہ کے معافی مانگنے سے شہید زندہ نہیں ہو جائیں گے۔ لعنت ہے ایسے حکمرانوں پر۔۔۔۔۔


2012/5/28 aamir_bhatti bhatti <aamir_bhatti@msn.com>
Please do not call them "Kuttay" (Dogs).
 
Dogs are very faithful animals, these creatures can not match a Dog ever..... So please call them "Suwwar" Pigs, Boar, or maybe Hyena. These are more suitable words for them.
 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 3:30 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: **JP** Shah Ky Kutty / Dog.,....
 
ڈاکٹر عاصم حسین نے گیس کی قیمتوں میں کمی کی اوگرا کی سفارش مسترد کردی
Updated 19 hours ago
 
اسلام آباد … وفاقی وزیر پیٹرولیم ڈاکٹر عاصم حسین نے اوگرا حکام کو دھمکی دی ہے کہ گیس کی قیمتیں کم کرنے کی بات کرتے ہو، آپ کے خلاف وزیر اعظم کو خط لکھوں گا، وزیر پیٹرولیم ڈاکٹر عاصم حسین نے اوگرا کو ایک بے سمت ادارہ قرار د ے دیا۔ جیونیوز سے گفتگو کرتے ہوئے ڈاکٹر عاصم نے کہا کہ اوگرا اوگرا کی طرف سے گیس کی قیمتوں میں کمی کی سفارشات کو مسترد کرتا ہوں۔ انہوں نے اوگرا کے خلاف وزیر اعظم کو خط لکھنے کا علان کیا، اوگرا کی طرف سے وزارت پیٹرولیم کو ایک ہفتے قبل وزارت پیٹرولیم کو بھیجی گئی اپنی سفارشات میں نئے مالی سال سے گیس کی قیمتوں میں کمی کی سفارشات پر مبنی سمری وزارت پیٹرولیم کو ارسال کی تھی جس میں سوئی ناردرن کیلئے 47 روپے اور سدرن کے سسٹم پر گیس کی قیمت میں 34 روپے فی ایم ایم بی ٹی یو کمی کی سفارش کی گئی تھی۔


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On Becoming Illegal



 

  
 WE SHOULD ALL CHECK INTO THIS WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
  

 

 

 

 

 

On Becoming Illegal.
You'll love this!


FORMS ARE GOING FAST- SIGN UP TODAY!
Becoming Illegal (Actual letter from an Iowa resident sent to his senator,)
The Honorable Tom Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone (202) 224 3254
Washington DC , 20510


Dear Senator Harkin,

 


As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.


My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for only three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.


Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.


Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as 'in-state' tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.


Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me, given that I still have college age children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance


Your Loyal Constituent, (hoping to reach 'illegal alien' status rather than just a bonfire citizen of the USA )
Donald Ruppert
Burlington , IA
Get your Forms (NOW)!!
Call your Internal Revenue Service at 1-800-289-1040

(Please pass this on to your friends so they can save on this great offer.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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**JP** pl see ny article atached send comnts by rauf kot addu



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Re: Islamic Call to Prayer in the Royal Ontario Museum

please enlighten us as to how you see "Blatant Zionism" being as
destructive as Islam
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jews promote socialism, open borders, and a religious state ... all of
which eventually kills

On May 29, 10:41 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello PlainOl,
>
> If you have a moment, would you please explaint what has "Blatant Zionism"
> done to you,  (or any-one,  any entity,  or any collective segment of
> society)  that you have found to be intrusive or offensive?
>
> What or maybe better asked, is:  "How" is "Blatant Zionism";  (*e.g.;*
> defining Zionism as a nationalist movement for the return of Jews to
> Israel, and the support of a Jewish State of Israel) "destructive",  as
> compared to Islam, which calls for the death of you, me, and everyone else
> who is not a fundamentalist Muslim?  A religion that advocates that women
> are chattel.  Earlier, Travis posted a link to a poor girl who has been so
> brainwashed, that she believes she should cover herself in the Hajib.
> Which is to say, a brainwashed thought process that is very destructive.
>
> Again,  please enlighten us as to how you see "Blatant Zionism"  being as
> destructive as Islam.
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
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> > wrote:
> > Creeping Sharia
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> > not nearly as destructive to our nation as blatant zionism
>
> > On May 29, 8:38 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > **
> > >            New post on *Creeping Sharia*
> > > <http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/author/creeping/>  Islamic Call to
> > > Prayer in the Royal Ontario
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> > .>by
> > > creeping <http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/author/creeping/>
>
> > > via Islamic Call to Prayer in the Royal Ontario Museum. On Monday, May
> > 21st
> > > (Victoria Day), I was guiding the children of a friend around the Royal
> > > Ontario Museum when I heard the Muslim call to prayer belting out of the
> > PA
> > > system. After the full call was recited, there was an announcement that
> > all
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Re: Abolish Memorial Day

.... exactly what similar attack?
---
I can't remember .... regardless, the serbs and albanians have been
killing each other for years.
Examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl9JOChRHKc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxB7qSpp1WA&feature=related

For the US to once again stick it's nose in their business and then
take sides is a typical interventionist action.

leave those animals to kill each other ... we're not the World Police
and we owe them nothing

On May 29, 4:13 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Plainol.... exactly what similar attack?? Most villages that were ravaged
> in this manner (by the Milosovic faction) were "mixed" populations full of
> peasants that actually had little or no idea as to what was happening and
> why... Please document that statement... I saw no proof of that whatsoever.
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > They were actually lined up and shot (the
> > majority) and buried in mass graves; which is what made this specially
> > heinous.
> > ---
> > it was revenge for a similar attack.
>
> > choose sides carefully
>
> > On May 29, 12:31 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > At 02:22 PM 5/28/2012, you wrote:<<Who really remembers the Kosovo war
> > that is, the war as it
> > > unfolded? We were told as many as a hundred-thousand Kosovars were
> > > being exterminated, and yet at war's end we found a few thousand
> > > Serbs and Kosovars in equal number had been murdered.>>
> > > We found a little over 10,000 had been killed... thats slightly more
> > > than a "few thousand".  They were actually lined up and shot (the
> > > majority) and buried in mass graves; which is what made this specially
> > > heinous.Kosovo - the site of a genocide that never wasKosovo - the site
> > of a genocide that never was - is now a violent "free market" in drugs and
> > prostitution. What does this tell us about the likely outcome of the Iraq
> > war?John Pilger
> > > 12/13/04 "New Statesman"-- Muted by the evidence of the Anglo-American
> > catastrophe in Iraq, the "humanitarian" war party ought to be called to
> > account for its forgotten crusade in Kosovo, the model for Blair's "onward
> > march of liberation". Just as Iraq is being torn apart by the forces of
> > empire, so was Yugoslavia, the multi-ethnic state that uniquely rejected
> > both sides in the cold war.
> > > Lies as great as those told by Bush and Blair were deployed by Clinton
> > and Blair in their grooming of public opinion for an illegal, unprovoked
> > attack on a European country. Following the same path as the build-up to
> > the invasion of Iraq, the media coverage in the spring of 1999 was a series
> > of fraudulent justifications, beginning with the then US defence secretary
> > William Cohen's claim that "we've now seen about 100,000 military-aged
> > [Albanian] men missing . . . they may have been murdered". David Scheffer,
> > the then US ambassador-at-large for war crimes, announced that as many as
> > "225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59" may have been killed.
> > Blair invoked the Holocaust and "the spirit of the Second World War". The
> > British press took its cue. "Flight from genocide," wrote the Daily Mail.
> > "Echoes of the Holocaust," chorused the Sun and the Mirror. In parliament,
> > the heroic Clare Short compared to Nazi propagandists those (such as
> > myself) who objected to the bombing of defenceless people.
> > > By June 1999, with the bombardment over, international forensic teams
> > began subjecting Kosovo to minute examination. The American FBI arrived to
> > investigate what was called "the largest crime scene in the FBI's forensic
> > history". Several weeks later, having not found a single mass grave,the FBI
> > went home. The Spanish forensic team also returned home, its leader
> > complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of "a
> > semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find
> > one - not one - mass grave".
> > > In November 1999, the Wall Street Journal published the results of its
> > own investigation, dismissing "the mass grave obsession". Instead of "the
> > huge killing fields some investigators were led to expect . . . the pattern
> > is of scattered killings [mostly] in areas where the separatist Kosovo
> > Liberation Army has been active". The Journal concluded that Nato stepped
> > up its claims about Serbian killing fields when it "saw a fatigued press
> > corps drifting toward the contrary story: civilians killed by Nato's bombs
> > . . . The war in Kosovo was cruel, bitter, savage. Genocide it wasn't."
> > > One year later, the International War Crimes Tribunal, a body in effect
> > set up by Nato, announced that the final count of bodies found in Kosovo's
> > "mass graves" was 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs
> > and Roma murdered by the Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army. Like Iraq's
> > fabled weapons of mass destruction, the figures used by the US and British
> > governments and echoed by journalists were inventions -- along with Serbian
> > "rape camps" and Clinton's and Blair's claims that Nato never deliberately
> > bombed civilians.
> > > Code-named "Stage Three", Nato's civilian targets included public
> > transport, hospitals, schools, museums, churches. "It was common knowledge
> > that Nato went to Stage Three [after a couple of weeks]," said James
> > Bissett, the Canadian ambassador in Belgrade during the attack. "Otherwise,
> > they would not have been bombing bridges on Sunday afternoons, and market
> > places."
> > > Nato's clients were the Kosovo Liberation Army. Seven years earlier, the
> > State Department had designated the KLA as a terrorist organisation in
> > league with al-Qaeda. In 1999, KLA thugs were feted; Robin Cook, then
> > foreign secretary, allowed them to call him on his mobile phone. "The
> > Kosovar Albanians played us like a Stradivarius violin," wrote the former
> > UN commander in Bosnia, Major General Lewis MacKenzie, last April. "We have
> > subsidised and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an
> > ethnically pure Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the
> > perpetrators of the violence in the early 1990s, and we continue to portray
> > them as the designated victim today, in spite of evidence to the contrary."
> > > The trigger for the bombing of Yugoslavia was, according to Nato, the
> > failure of the Serbian delegation to sign up to the Rambouillet peace
> > conference. What went mostly unreported was that the Rambouillet accord had
> > a secret Annex B, which Madeleine Albright's delegation had inserted on the
> > last day. This demanded the military occupation of the whole of Yugoslavia,
> > a country with bitter memories of the Nazi occupation. As the Foreign
> > Office minister Lord Gilbert later conceded to a Commons defence select
> > committee, Annex B was planted deliberately to provoke rejection.
> > > Equally revealing was a chapter dealing exclusively with the Kosovan
> > economy. This called for a "free-market economy" and the privatisation of
> > all government assets. As the Balkans writer Neil Clark has pointed out:
> > "The rump Yugoslavia . . . was the last economy in central-southern Europe
> > to be uncolonised by western capital. 'Socially owned enterprises', the
> > form of worker self-management pioneered under Tito, still predominated.
> > Yugoslavia had publicly owned petroleum, mining, car and tobacco industries
> > . . ."
> > > At the Davos summit of neoliberal chieftains in 1999, Blair berated
> > Belgrade, not for its handling of Kosovo, but for its failure to embrace
> > "economic reform" fully. In the bombing campaign that followed, it was
> > state-owned companies, rather than military sites, that were targeted.
> > Nato's destruction of only 14 Yugoslav army tanks compares with its bombing
> > of 372 centres of industry, including the Zastava car factory. "Not one
> > foreign or privately owned factory was bombed," wrote Clark.
> > > Erected on the foundation of this huge lie, Kosovo today is a violent,
> > criminalised, UN-administered "free market" in drugs and prostitution;
> > unemployment is 65 per cent. More than 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Bosniaks,
> > Turks, Croats and Jews have been ethnically cleansed by the KLA, with Nato
> > forces standing by. KLA hit squads have burned, looted or demolished 85
> > Orthodox churches and monasteries, according to the UN. The courts are
> > venal. "You shot an 89-year-old Serb grandmother?" mocked a UN narcotics
> > officer. "Good for you. Get out of jail."
> > > Although Security Council Resolution 1244 recognises Kosovo as an
> > integral part of Yugoslavia, multinational companies are being offered ten-
> > and 15-year leases of the province's local industries and resources,
> > including the vast Trepca mines, some of the richest mineral deposits in
> > the world. Overseeing this plundered, now almost ethnically pure "future
> > democracy" (Blair), are 4,000 American troops at Camp Bondsteel, a 775-acre
> > permanent-base imperial presence.
> > > Meanwhile, the show trial of Slobodan Milosevic proceeds as farce.
> > Milosevic was a brute; he was also a banker once regarded as the west's man
> > who was prepared to implement "economic reforms" in keeping with IMF, World
> > Bank and European Union demands; to his cost, he refused to surrender
> > sovereignty. The empire expects nothing less.
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Re: Abolish Memorial Day

Plainol.... exactly what similar attack?? Most villages that were ravaged in this manner (by the Milosovic faction) were "mixed" populations full of peasants that actually had little or no idea as to what was happening and why... Please document that statement... I saw no proof of that whatsoever.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
They were actually lined up and shot (the
majority) and buried in mass graves; which is what made this specially
heinous.
---
it was revenge for a similar attack.

choose sides carefully

On May 29, 12:31 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> At 02:22 PM 5/28/2012, you wrote:<<Who really remembers the Kosovo war that is, the war as it
> unfolded? We were told as many as a hundred-thousand Kosovars were
> being exterminated, and yet at war's end we found a few thousand
> Serbs and Kosovars in equal number had been murdered.>>
> We found a little over 10,000 had been killed... thats slightly more
> than a "few thousand".  They were actually lined up and shot (the
> majority) and buried in mass graves; which is what made this specially
> heinous.Kosovo - the site of a genocide that never wasKosovo - the site of a genocide that never was - is now a violent "free market" in drugs and prostitution. What does this tell us about the likely outcome of the Iraq war?John Pilger
> 12/13/04 "New Statesman"-- Muted by the evidence of the Anglo-American catastrophe in Iraq, the "humanitarian" war party ought to be called to account for its forgotten crusade in Kosovo, the model for Blair's "onward march of liberation". Just as Iraq is being torn apart by the forces of empire, so was Yugoslavia, the multi-ethnic state that uniquely rejected both sides in the cold war.
> Lies as great as those told by Bush and Blair were deployed by Clinton and Blair in their grooming of public opinion for an illegal, unprovoked attack on a European country. Following the same path as the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, the media coverage in the spring of 1999 was a series of fraudulent justifications, beginning with the then US defence secretary William Cohen's claim that "we've now seen about 100,000 military-aged [Albanian] men missing . . . they may have been murdered". David Scheffer, the then US ambassador-at-large for war crimes, announced that as many as "225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59" may have been killed. Blair invoked the Holocaust and "the spirit of the Second World War". The British press took its cue. "Flight from genocide," wrote the Daily Mail. "Echoes of the Holocaust," chorused the Sun and the Mirror. In parliament, the heroic Clare Short compared to Nazi propagandists those (such as myself) who objected to the bombing of defenceless people.
> By June 1999, with the bombardment over, international forensic teams began subjecting Kosovo to minute examination. The American FBI arrived to investigate what was called "the largest crime scene in the FBI's forensic history". Several weeks later, having not found a single mass grave,the FBI went home. The Spanish forensic team also returned home, its leader complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one - not one - mass grave".
> In November 1999, the Wall Street Journal published the results of its own investigation, dismissing "the mass grave obsession". Instead of "the huge killing fields some investigators were led to expect . . . the pattern is of scattered killings [mostly] in areas where the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army has been active". The Journal concluded that Nato stepped up its claims about Serbian killing fields when it "saw a fatigued press corps drifting toward the contrary story: civilians killed by Nato's bombs . . . The war in Kosovo was cruel, bitter, savage. Genocide it wasn't."
> One year later, the International War Crimes Tribunal, a body in effect set up by Nato, announced that the final count of bodies found in Kosovo's "mass graves" was 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army. Like Iraq's fabled weapons of mass destruction, the figures used by the US and British governments and echoed by journalists were inventions -- along with Serbian "rape camps" and Clinton's and Blair's claims that Nato never deliberately bombed civilians.
> Code-named "Stage Three", Nato's civilian targets included public transport, hospitals, schools, museums, churches. "It was common knowledge that Nato went to Stage Three [after a couple of weeks]," said James Bissett, the Canadian ambassador in Belgrade during the attack. "Otherwise, they would not have been bombing bridges on Sunday afternoons, and market places."
> Nato's clients were the Kosovo Liberation Army. Seven years earlier, the State Department had designated the KLA as a terrorist organisation in league with al-Qaeda. In 1999, KLA thugs were feted; Robin Cook, then foreign secretary, allowed them to call him on his mobile phone. "The Kosovar Albanians played us like a Stradivarius violin," wrote the former UN commander in Bosnia, Major General Lewis MacKenzie, last April. "We have subsidised and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early 1990s, and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today, in spite of evidence to the contrary."
> The trigger for the bombing of Yugoslavia was, according to Nato, the failure of the Serbian delegation to sign up to the Rambouillet peace conference. What went mostly unreported was that the Rambouillet accord had a secret Annex B, which Madeleine Albright's delegation had inserted on the last day. This demanded the military occupation of the whole of Yugoslavia, a country with bitter memories of the Nazi occupation. As the Foreign Office minister Lord Gilbert later conceded to a Commons defence select committee, Annex B was planted deliberately to provoke rejection.
> Equally revealing was a chapter dealing exclusively with the Kosovan economy. This called for a "free-market economy" and the privatisation of all government assets. As the Balkans writer Neil Clark has pointed out: "The rump Yugoslavia . . . was the last economy in central-southern Europe to be uncolonised by western capital. 'Socially owned enterprises', the form of worker self-management pioneered under Tito, still predominated. Yugoslavia had publicly owned petroleum, mining, car and tobacco industries . . ."
> At the Davos summit of neoliberal chieftains in 1999, Blair berated Belgrade, not for its handling of Kosovo, but for its failure to embrace "economic reform" fully. In the bombing campaign that followed, it was state-owned companies, rather than military sites, that were targeted. Nato's destruction of only 14 Yugoslav army tanks compares with its bombing of 372 centres of industry, including the Zastava car factory. "Not one foreign or privately owned factory was bombed," wrote Clark.
> Erected on the foundation of this huge lie, Kosovo today is a violent, criminalised, UN-administered "free market" in drugs and prostitution; unemployment is 65 per cent. More than 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Bosniaks, Turks, Croats and Jews have been ethnically cleansed by the KLA, with Nato forces standing by. KLA hit squads have burned, looted or demolished 85 Orthodox churches and monasteries, according to the UN. The courts are venal. "You shot an 89-year-old Serb grandmother?" mocked a UN narcotics officer. "Good for you. Get out of jail."
> Although Security Council Resolution 1244 recognises Kosovo as an integral part of Yugoslavia, multinational companies are being offered ten- and 15-year leases of the province's local industries and resources, including the vast Trepca mines, some of the richest mineral deposits in the world. Overseeing this plundered, now almost ethnically pure "future democracy" (Blair), are 4,000 American troops at Camp Bondsteel, a 775-acre permanent-base imperial presence.
> Meanwhile, the show trial of Slobodan Milosevic proceeds as farce. Milosevic was a brute; he was also a banker once regarded as the west's man who was prepared to implement "economic reforms" in keeping with IMF, World Bank and European Union demands; to his cost, he refused to surrender sovereignty. The empire expects nothing less.https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1ObvBTTqDeUJ:www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7439.htm+%22the+FBI+went+home%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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