Saturday, September 24, 2011

NY Times Thinks Military Pensions Are Welfare Benefits




NY Times Thinks Military Pensions Are Welfare Benefits

Dr. Eowyn | September 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Categories: Economy, Health Care, Liberals, Media, Military, United States | URL: http://wp.me/pKuKY-9y0

The dictionary defines "welfare" as "Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need." And according to Roget's Thesaurus, the synonyms for "welfare" include "public assistance, public works, social aid, unemployment benefits, child welfare, federal aid, poverty program, Social Security, the dole".

I have a question for FOTM readers who work for a non-government entity and has paid into its retirement system:

"Do you think of your pension as WELFARE?"

No?

I have news for the retired and serving members of the United States Military:

The New York Times thinks your pension is WELFARE.

This is what the Times' reporters James Dao and Mary Williams wrote in "Retiree Benefits for the Military Could Face Cuts," September 18, 2011:

As Washington looks to squeeze savings from once-sacrosanct entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, another big social welfare system is growing as rapidly, but with far less scrutiny: the health and pension benefits of military retirees.

Military pensions and health care for active and retired troops now cost the government about $100 billion a year, representing an expanding portion of both the Pentagon budget — about $700 billion a year, including war costs — and the national debt, which together finance the programs.

Nice to know that the New York Times thinks your military pension is synonymous with "public assistance" and the dole"!

~Eowyn

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Figures….Obama’s Boss, George Soros, involved in LightSquare Scandal




Figures….Obama's Boss, George Soros, involved in LightSquare Scandal

Scotty Starnes | September 22, 2011 at 8:30 PM | Tags: George Soros, LightSquared, President Obama | Categories: Political Issues | URL: http://wp.me/pvnFC-5T8

The Obama campaign donor pay-to-play scandal gets more interesting. Now it looks like Obama's boss, and political donor, George Soros (fat-cat hedge fund manager Obama claims not to like) has monetary ties to LightSquared.

LightSquared is the latest scandal for Obama. He invested in LightSquared. His FCC granted LightSquared a waiver. His administration tried to get two generals to change their testimony about LightSquared. LightSquared executives gave money to Obama's presidential campaign.

Of course we all know what's going on but Team Obama wants the taxpayers to believe this is all just coincidence.

Timothy P. Carney writes, via The Washington Examiner:

As Republican lawmakers begin to dig into the White House's cozy relationship with a startup wireless company and the wealthy Democratic donor who owns it, a new character has appeared on the story's edges: liberal superdonor, conservative bete noire and controversial investor George Soros.

Soros reportedly invested in the telecom company LightSquared through a hedge fund, and many of the nonprofits he finances have backed LightSquared in regulatory and policy disputes.

While Soros' influence is constantly and grossly exaggerated by conservatives, it's still real. He generously funds a huge swath of the liberal movement, and has aligned his business interests with Obama's big-government policies. For instance, Obama green-energy official Cathy Zoi left the Energy Department earlier this year to help run a new green-energy (and thus subsidy-dependent) investment fund Soros was starting.

...In the LightSquared affair, Soros shows up repeatedly.

First, Soros is reportedly an investor in LightSquared. The Wall Street Journal reported in November 2010: "In 2009, while some investors were asking for withdrawals, others were lining up to put money into Harbinger. They included Soros Fund Management, which during the past year became a significant new investor, say people familiar with the matter."

I asked about this, but a Soros spokesman emailed me, "As a matter of policy, we don't confirm or deny information on our investments."

Additionally, the telecom- and tech-related liberal nonprofits Soros funds have gone to bat for LightSquared in its various policy fights. In April 2010, the Public Interest Spectrum Coalition filed a petition with the Federal Communications Commission backing Harbinger's business plans and met with an FCC commissioner on the matter. Four groups that belong to that coalition received six-figure gifts from Soros' Open Society Institute the year before.

Six months later, those four Soros-funded groups -- Free Press, Media Access Project, the New America Foundation, and Public Knowledge -- filed a joint comment backing LightSquared in a related regulatory matter.

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EPA to property owner: ‘Your land is our land’




EPA to property owner: 'Your land is our land'

Bob Unruh, WND 9/23/2011 $40 million in fines pending over plan to build new home Just imagine. You want to build a home, so you buy a $23,000 piece of land in a residential subdivision in your hometown and get started. The government then tells you to stop, threatens you with $40 million in fines [...]

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Re: Biggest Losers in Palestine Veto? The American People

Hey Mark!
 
Uhm......No more cocktails for you this evening Mark!
 
Google:  "1947 UN Partition Proposal"  
 
Good to see ya!
 
KeithInKöln

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Not true Keith. Israel is against the acknowledgement of a new state without bi-lateral acknowledgement. Israel was carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire/British Mandate Territory.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[4]

[the] Mandates were not the creation of the League, and they could not in substance be altered by the League. The League's duties were confined to seeing that the specific and detailed terms of the mandates were in accordance with the decisions taken by the Allied and Associated Powers, and that in carrying out these mandates the Mandatory Powers should be under the supervision—not under the control—of the League. A mandate was a self-imposed limitation by the conquerors on the sovereignty which they exercised over the conquered territory.[18]

Actually a good article by Wiki.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
By the same token, Israel is against the United Nations acknowledging Palestine as a Nation-State....Uhm....The same mechanism that Israel was acknowledged.
 


 
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
So much for republicans being the Zionistas, eh?  Maybe Rahm should
have been a clue.

"Palestine", wants to be recognized as a state, while refusing to
recognize Israel as a state.  Okey dokey.

Bravo Mr President

On Sep 24, 5:51 am, Moe <coates...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest threat is the undermining of the representatives in the
> Congress when it comes to decisions that affect the policies of the
> United States. I was surprised to see a clip with Wolf Blitzer and
> Netanyahu discussing the fact that during the speech of Netanyahu
> before the Congress various Israeli politicians were sitting together
> with American representatives to influence their voting. Blitzer asked
> Netanyahu if this was correct and how would an Israeli react if Joe
> Walsh sat in the parliament of Israel to assure that Israel walk the
> line to American interest. Netanyahu said in a joking manner that he
> has no control over the politicians in Israel. Netanyahu has gone so
> far as to threaten various politicians about their re-election if they
> did not pull the Israeli line. It is clear to everyone who can think,
> Israel can do what it wants to disrupt the balance in the region. For
> any mistake made then the USA will be called to bail Israel out. This
> means US Taxpayers and members of the US Armed Forces will pay the
> bill. This payment will be in the form of taxpayer's money and lives.
> United States pays Israel 3.5 Billion Dollars per year in support.
> They pay Palestine 500 million dollars a year.  America does not have
> this money.  We should be investing in the USA. Look at the increased
> costs due to securing the American interests on a worldwide basis.
> American taxpayers cover the increased costs and the host countries
> pay their part. After Obama took office, USA has reduced threats. Due
> to recent actions by Israel, the threat level has increased for all of
> America´s allies in addition to that of the US.
>
> Israel is looking at Iran. Israel might take action to destroy these
> plants. They have asked or oppressed the US for F-18s and the armament
> to destroy the nuclear plants in Iran. Israel has received addition
> armaments and cooperation from the United States to the level where
> the interest of the United States are in question. Look at the case of
> F-15 plans that Israel received from the United States. After USA
> terminated the project, Israel then sold the plans to China. China
> then had a great technological leap forward with their efforts to gain
> American military expertise. Look at the spying cases of Jewish
> Americans and the attempts to free the convicted individuals by
> putting pressure on Congress members.
> If you look at the Israeli population in Israel, 800.000 of their
> register citizens are living in the United States. How many of
> Israel's citizens are living else where due to the daily risk. The
> amount of money made is tremendous for selling homes to Israelis in
> who have USA, as their first address. Another case is the cheaper
> access to the American market for medical devices and software
> products. This costs the average American not only his job but also
> increase taxes for services he is not getting. What is it costing us
> for a government that has more interest in appeasing Israel and not
> supporting the infrastructure of the United States? How many American
> lives will be spend for any of the foolish steps that Israel might
> take in the region? What are the additional costs to Europe and the
> United States due to the Israeli failed action with the Turkish aid
> ships? What is the cost of an American Congress that is more
> interested in supporting Israel's follies than that of support the
> interests of the American people?
>
> On Sep 23, 2:26 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Biggest Losers in Palestine Veto? The American PeoplebyPhilip Giraldi, September 22, 2011
> > If the Palestinian application for United Nations full membership actually takes place Friday and the United States uses its Security Council veto to stop the process, it will be the final step in a predictable and preventable tragedy playing out. Some are arguing that Washington might actually abstain, thereby gaining considerable favorable sentiment from much of the world and also sending a signal to Israel that there are limits to the bilateral relationship. But it is far more likely that President Barack Obama, who has stated over and over that he will protect Israel in international forums, will not flinch when he calls on Susan Rice to cast the fatal vote. Any expectation that the president might hesitate either because it is the right thing to do or because it benefits the United States is fanciful, particularly with a presidential election looming in 2012.
> > Washington's attempts to "mediate" the situation have really been limited to pressuring the Palestinians to back off. Sending National Security Council officialDennis Ross, "Israel's lawyer," to Ramallah to talk around the Palestinian leadership should, if anything, indicate to the Palestinians that Washington is, as it always has been, firmly in the Israeli corner. So let us assume that Palestine will feel compelled to seek full U.N. membership as the world's 194th nation and that Washington will then veto the application. The first question then has to be whether the entire process had any meaning at all or it was just kabuki, a stylized show played out to an appreciative audience with a predictable ending. The short answer is that the Palestinians will certainly be on the losing end as they have been for more than 60 years but the real losers will be the United States and Israel.
> > The mainstream media has echoed Israeli and American arguments that Palestinian statehood is meaningless without a negotiated settlement of issues on the ground. But Israel has made it clear that it has no desire to negotiate anything while it continues to occupy the West Bank, so the Palestinian choice is to accept the status quo, in which it is powerless and voiceless, or attempt to line up the international community more solidly behind it and shift the playing field.
> > Israel has been working hard to stop the process, or, at worst, to mitigate its impact by having a number of important nations, mostly in Europe, either abstain on the vote or vote no. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a glad-handtourof European capitals earlier this year with that express purpose, and he received positive signals from the Italians, the Dutch, the Poles, and the Germans, though it is by no means clear how they will vote. It was for Israel a top national priority, which it has conveyed clearly to its friends in the United States.
> > Washington, at the urging of Israel, also joined in the effort, starting withwarningslate last year to Latin American nations that recognizing Palestine as a state would be "unacceptable." More recently, the State Department and the White House have repeatedly expressed their desire that the Palestinians shelve their plans to seek a U.N. seat, and they have been assiduously working both in front of the TV cameras in New York and Washington and behind the scenes to convince the Palestinian leadership to cease and desist. The dialogue has been given some teeth by Congress, which is determined tocut all aidto Palestine if the U.N. action goes through. One congressmen, Joe Walsh of Illinois, is preparing amotionthat will provide congressional support for an Israeli annexation of much of the West Bank if the Palestinians proceed. Walsh describes Palestinian statehood as "absolutely outrageous."
> > So Israel sees the Palestinian plan as a major threat and the United States appears to be on board, but many would reasonably observe that Israel often cries wolf and greatly exaggerates what it perceives as threats against it. Is that true in this case, making it just another instance where Tel Aviv is adopting an extreme position in hopes that Washington will deliver the goods? It may not be. Israel sees danger precisely because the Palestinian bid will do a couple of things that call into question some significant aspects of the status quo. First of all, since it will certainly pass with a huge majority in the General Assembly if the Palestinians opt to go that route, it will provide overwhelming international confirmation of Palestinian rights with the U.S. and Israel standing on the wrong side on the issue. It will also severely undermine Israel's moral position, such as it is, and emphasize the illegality of the Israeli occupation of parts of the West Bank. The process is already illegal in the eyes of the rest of the world, including the United States, but it will be even less tenable if a convincing majority of the world's countries recognize Palestine as a state with defined borders and a national identity.
> > Second, recognition of statehood carries with it recognition that the state exists within defined space, in this case the 1967 borders. This has enormous significance because those borders include many areas being colonized by the Israelis, as well as East Jerusalem. It means that any Israeli settlement that is on the other side of that border is considered completely illegal and that Israel is therefore a rogue state that is occupying and settling lands belonging to a neighboring state 44 years after the cessation of hostilities. Even theNew York Timesin anarticleon Sept. 10 regarding the recent unrest in Egypt, noting that Islamic groups were not involved, conceded that criticism of Israel has a basis in the widespread popular perception that "Muslims, Arabs, and indeed many around the globe believe Israel is unjustly occupying Palestinian territories, and they are furious at Israel for it." The rejection of Palestinian statehood and the debate surrounding it will only heighten that sentiment.
> > If the Palestinians are in the United Nations as a full member or even with limited rights, they will have access to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where they can take legal steps against Israel and against individual Israelis. Even though Israel doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the court, when it reaches the point where no senior Israeli government official, present or
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Re: 14-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying,

Sorry, 10%.

On Sep 22, 1:43 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gay bullying and other forms of bullying happen, of course, because all
> control of school is removed from parents and families by the State
>
> If people could choose their school and effectively hire and fire teachers
> and administrators, even most right wing christian homophobic parents would
> not send their kids to a school where their kid came home beaten, (did not
> learn, was illiterate, or simply had no friends or interests?.
>
> They would enroll their child in another school
>
> But socialist like Mark Carpenter, following the Prussian state socialists
> who were precursors to nazism, imposed government, and now federalized,
> schools on America.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:40 PM, MARK CARPENTER <carpb...@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I had an out of body experience when my heart stopped during major surgery,
> > and during the time I was out of my body, I met God.
>
> > Tony Passaro, Internet Predator, Keith Caldwell, Chrissie Lund, McKinney,
> > Paul Punk, Jay Mills, Margaret Hemenway, Ed, Jim Reed, Judith Niewiadomski,
> > Amancin, Bill Salem, Roger Gellar, Ana Krakatoa, Mike Stathas, David
> > Earnest, Don Frederick, Peteer Fescue, Bruce Majors, E.A. Richards, Clayton
> > Purdy and Bob Worn:  listen up because I'm only going to tell you this
> > once.
>
> > I met God, and I can say conclusively, with all authority that
>
> > "GOD" IS A BLACK, MUSLIM LESBIAN FROM KENYA!
>
> > Mark
>
> > "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it
> > than it is to vote for what you don't want and get it."
> > --Eugene V. Debs
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* "Scorpi0La...@aol.com" <Scorpi0La...@aol.com>
> > *To:* carpb...@sbcglobal.net; apass...@crosslink.net
> > *Cc:* Predato...@aol.com; alt...@aol.com; onepocketpla...@gmail.com;
> > vandoran.heat...@yahoo.com; mccloed...@dslextreme.com;
> > mckinneyhun...@aol.com; paul.d...@hotmail.com; jmills9...@aol.com;
> > ducky4...@comcast.net; hogpo...@aol.com; uwhun...@earthlink.net;
> > Echo...@aol.com; FKero...@aol.com; sergeantfree...@gmail.com;
> > wakeupwa...@aol.com; gerio...@aol.com; cbhens...@aol.com;
> > jreed62...@aol.com; chirh...@aol.com; pashara...@verizon.net;
> > aman...@aol.com; microdh...@gmail.com; posther...@aol.com;
> > ladywinds...@aol.com; jmach...@hotmail.com; tien656...@aol.com;
> > sale...@aol.com; jpas...@aol.com; rgellar...@yahoo.com; kmcg...@aol.com;
> > anakaha...@ritternet.com; murray1...@aol.com; marcki...@aol.com;
> > mike_stat...@yahoo.com; kalo...@aol.com; earn4...@aol.com;
> > colon...@gmail.com; randy...@aol.com; advancedstudie...@gmail.com;
> > bayw...@aol.com; b...@gcbussu.com; bern30...@hotmail.com;
> > breww...@runbox.com; chasn...@aol.com; kon...@bresnan.net;
> > conner...@aol.com; cougar...@msn.com; dijo...@aol.com; edpa...@yahoo.com;
> > freelancer...@aol.com; gayles...@aol.com; gregship...@hughes.net;
> > harleyma...@cox.net; hemili...@hotmail.com; hillbillytrai...@aol.com;
> > iles...@shawbleckner.com; jimibe...@aol.com; joelrachm...@aol.com;
> > judyfuller...@aol.com; majorh...@sbcglobal.net; sergeantalva...@gmail.com;
> > oldpolit...@cs.com; p00f...@aol.com; patrick.henry.wan...@gmail.com;
> > restore...@aol.com; rockys...@msn.com; sandysb...@aol.com;
> > sergeantfree...@hotmail.com; sirguy2...@ameritech.net; lfever...@yahoo.com;
> > sjm...@fuse.net; peterjfes...@gmail.com; algae5...@aol.com;
> > major.h...@sbcglobal.net; majors.br...@gmail.com; ea.richa...@att.net;
> > clayton.pu...@gmail.com; d3...@sbcglobal.net; maximus...@cox.net;
> > tdiet...@sbcglobal.net; abelieve...@yahoo.com; mckinneyhunt...@aol.com;
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> > vbboyd123...@yahoo.com; whatnow...@yahoo.com; evedem...@verizon.net
> > *Sent:* Thu, September 22, 2011 8:58:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: 14-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying,
>
> >  *Mark, people like Tony Passaro and Keith are scared little boys. They **wake
> > up in the morning, and obsess about, Gays, and anything and anybody
> > different from them. The insanity they spew is nothing more than hate
> > speech. They feel empowered when they make fun of Gays and Lesbians, Blacks,
> > Hispanics. It validates who they are. Hateful, Intolerant people. I hope God
> > is a Gay Black man.   ** *
>
> > In a message dated 9/22/2011 7:47:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > carpb...@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> > Such as executing a black man in Georgia who was innocent of the crime for
> > which he was executed, Tony?
>
> > Oh, wait - doesn't your bible, The Turner Diaries, expostulate at length
> > about blacks hanging from street light poles?
>
> > Mark
> > carpb...@sbcglobal.net
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
> >  ^__^
> > {  . .  }
> >  \_~_/
>
> > On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:51 AM, "apassaro" <apass...@crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> >    Just do not perform acts of perversion
>
> > Tony Passaro
> > From The Cockpit of R&R
> > Somewhere Along the ICW
> > Eastern United States
>
> >  *From:* <Predato...@aol.com>Predato...@aol.com
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:10 AM
> > *To:* <alt...@aol.com>alt...@aol.com ; <onepocketpla...@gmail.com>
> > onepocketpla...@gmail.com ; <vandoran.heat...@yahoo.com>
> > vandoran.heat...@yahoo.com ; <mccloed...@dslextreme.com>
> > mccloed...@dslextreme.com ; <mckinneyhun...@aol.com>mckinneyhun...@aol.com;
> > <paul.d...@hotmail.com>paul.d...@hotmail.com ; <jmills9...@aol.com>
> > jmills9...@aol.com ; <ducky4...@comcast.net>ducky4...@comcast.net
> > *Cc:* <carpb...@sbcglobal.net>carpb...@sbcglobal.net ; <hogpo...@aol.com>
> > hogpo...@aol.com ; <apass...@crosslink.net>apass...@crosslink.net ;
> > <uwhun...@earthlink.net>uwhun...@earthlink.net ; <Echo...@aol.com>
> > Echo...@aol.com ; <FKero...@aol.com>FKero...@aol.com ;
> > <sergeantfree...@gmail.com>sergeantfree...@gmail.com ;
> > <wakeupwa...@aol.com>wakeupwa...@aol.com ; <gerio...@aol.com>
> > gerio...@aol.com ; <cbhens...@aol.com>cbhens...@aol.com ;
> > <jreed62...@aol.com>jreed62...@aol.com ; <chirh...@aol.com>
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> > <aman...@aol.com>aman...@aol.com ; <microdh...@gmail.com>
> > microdh...@gmail.com ; <posther...@aol.com>posther...@aol.com ;
> > <scorpi0la...@aol.com>scorpi0la...@aol.com ; <ladywinds...@aol.com>
> > ladywinds...@aol.com ; <jmach...@hotmail.com>jmach...@hotmail.com ;
> > <tien656...@aol.com>tien656...@aol.com ; <sale...@aol.com>sale...@aol.com;
> > <jpas...@aol.com>jpas...@aol.com ; <rgellar...@yahoo.com>
> > rgellar...@yahoo.com ; <kmcg...@aol.com>kmcg...@aol.com ;
> > <anakaha...@ritternet.com>anakaha...@ritternet.com ; <murray1...@aol.com>
> > murray1...@aol.com ; <marcki...@aol.com>marcki...@aol.com ;
> > <mike_stat...@yahoo.com>mike_stat...@yahoo.com ; <kalo...@aol.com>
> > kalo...@aol.com ; <earn4...@aol.com>earn4...@aol.com ;
> > <colon...@gmail.com>colon...@gmail.com ; <randy...@aol.com>
> > randy...@aol.com ; <advancedstudie...@gmail.com>
> > advancedstudie...@gmail.com ; <bayw...@aol.com>bayw...@aol.com ;
> > <b...@gcbussu.com>b...@gcbussu.com ; <bern30...@hotmail.com>
> > bern30...@hotmail.com ; <breww...@runbox.com>breww...@runbox.com ;
> > <chasn...@aol.com>chasn...@aol.com ; <kon...@bresnan.net>
> > kon...@bresnan.net ; <conner...@aol.com>conner...@aol.com ;
> > <cougar...@msn.com>cougar...@msn.com ; <dijo...@aol.com>dijo...@aol.com ;
> > <edpa...@yahoo.com>edpa...@yahoo.com ; <freelancer...@aol.com>
> > freelancer...@aol.com ; <gayles...@aol.com>gayles...@aol.com ;
> > <gregship...@hughes.net>gregship...@hughes.net ; <harleyma...@cox.net>
> > harleyma...@cox.net ; <hemili...@hotmail.com>hemili...@hotmail.com ;
> > <hillbillytrai...@aol.com>hillbillytrai...@aol.com ;
> > <iles...@shawbleckner.com>iles...@shawbleckner.com ; <jimibe...@aol.com>
> > jimibe...@aol.com ; <joelrachm...@aol.com>joelrachm...@aol.com ;
> > <judyfuller...@aol.com>judyfuller...@aol.com ; <majorh...@sbcglobal.net>
> > majorh...@sbcglobal.net ; <sergeantalva...@gmail.com>
> > sergeantalva...@gmail.com ; <oldpolit...@cs.com>oldpolit...@cs.com ;
> > <p00f...@aol.com>p00f...@aol.com ; <patrick.henry.wan...@gmail.com>
> > patrick.henry.wan...@gmail.com ; <restore...@aol.com>restore...@aol.com ;
> > <rockys...@msn.com>rockys...@msn.com ; <sandysb...@aol.com>
> > sandysb...@aol.com ; <sergeantfree...@hotmail.com>
> > sergeantfree...@hotmail.com ; <sirguy2...@ameritech.net>
> > sirguy2...@ameritech.net ; <lfever...@yahoo.com>lfever...@yahoo.com ;
> > <sjm...@fuse.net>sjm...@fuse.net ; <peterjfes...@gmail.com>
> > peterjfes...@gmail.com ; <algae5...@aol.com>algae5...@aol.com ;
> > <major.h...@sbcglobal.net>major.h...@sbcglobal.net ;
> > <majors.br...@gmail.com>majors.br...@gmail.com ; <ea.richa...@att.net>
> > ea.richa...@att.net ; <clayton.pu...@gmail.com>clayton.pu...@gmail.com ;
> > <d3...@sbcglobal.net>d3...@sbcglobal.net ; <maximus...@cox.net>
> > maximus...@cox.net ; <tdiet...@sbcglobal.net>tdiet...@sbcglobal.net ;
> > <abelieve...@yahoo.com>abelieve...@yahoo.com ; <mckinneyhunt...@aol.com>
> > mckinneyhunt...@aol.com ; <elli...@aol.com>elli...@aol.com ;
> > <twelv...@comcast.net>twelv...@comcast.net ; <trggerhpp...@aol.com>
> > trggerhpp...@aol.com ; <vbboyd123...@yahoo.com>vbboyd123...@yahoo.com ;
> > <whatnow...@yahoo.com>whatnow...@yahoo.com ; <evedem...@verizon.net>
> > evedem...@verizon.net
> > *Subject:* Re: 14-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying,
>
> >  In a message dated 9/21/2011 6:43:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > alt...@aol.com writes:
>
> > Jamey Rodemeyer, 14-Year-Old Boy, Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying
> > So? The moral of the story is don't be a filthy pervert.
>
> > =

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Re: 14-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying,

I am constantly amazed that the 5% contributed by the Feds has such a
stranglehold over the states educational systems... just unbelievable.


On Sep 22, 1:43 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gay bullying and other forms of bullying happen, of course, because all
> control of school is removed from parents and families by the State
>
> If people could choose their school and effectively hire and fire teachers
> and administrators, even most right wing christian homophobic parents would
> not send their kids to a school where their kid came home beaten, (did not
> learn, was illiterate, or simply had no friends or interests?.
>
> They would enroll their child in another school
>
> But socialist like Mark Carpenter, following the Prussian state socialists
> who were precursors to nazism, imposed government, and now federalized,
> schools on America.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:40 PM, MARK CARPENTER <carpb...@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I had an out of body experience when my heart stopped during major surgery,
> > and during the time I was out of my body, I met God.
>
> > Tony Passaro, Internet Predator, Keith Caldwell, Chrissie Lund, McKinney,
> > Paul Punk, Jay Mills, Margaret Hemenway, Ed, Jim Reed, Judith Niewiadomski,
> > Amancin, Bill Salem, Roger Gellar, Ana Krakatoa, Mike Stathas, David
> > Earnest, Don Frederick, Peteer Fescue, Bruce Majors, E.A. Richards, Clayton
> > Purdy and Bob Worn:  listen up because I'm only going to tell you this
> > once.
>
> > I met God, and I can say conclusively, with all authority that
>
> > "GOD" IS A BLACK, MUSLIM LESBIAN FROM KENYA!
>
> > Mark
>
> > "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it
> > than it is to vote for what you don't want and get it."
> > --Eugene V. Debs
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* "Scorpi0La...@aol.com" <Scorpi0La...@aol.com>
> > *To:* carpb...@sbcglobal.net; apass...@crosslink.net
> > *Cc:* Predato...@aol.com; alt...@aol.com; onepocketpla...@gmail.com;
> > vandoran.heat...@yahoo.com; mccloed...@dslextreme.com;
> > mckinneyhun...@aol.com; paul.d...@hotmail.com; jmills9...@aol.com;
> > ducky4...@comcast.net; hogpo...@aol.com; uwhun...@earthlink.net;
> > Echo...@aol.com; FKero...@aol.com; sergeantfree...@gmail.com;
> > wakeupwa...@aol.com; gerio...@aol.com; cbhens...@aol.com;
> > jreed62...@aol.com; chirh...@aol.com; pashara...@verizon.net;
> > aman...@aol.com; microdh...@gmail.com; posther...@aol.com;
> > ladywinds...@aol.com; jmach...@hotmail.com; tien656...@aol.com;
> > sale...@aol.com; jpas...@aol.com; rgellar...@yahoo.com; kmcg...@aol.com;
> > anakaha...@ritternet.com; murray1...@aol.com; marcki...@aol.com;
> > mike_stat...@yahoo.com; kalo...@aol.com; earn4...@aol.com;
> > colon...@gmail.com; randy...@aol.com; advancedstudie...@gmail.com;
> > bayw...@aol.com; b...@gcbussu.com; bern30...@hotmail.com;
> > breww...@runbox.com; chasn...@aol.com; kon...@bresnan.net;
> > conner...@aol.com; cougar...@msn.com; dijo...@aol.com; edpa...@yahoo.com;
> > freelancer...@aol.com; gayles...@aol.com; gregship...@hughes.net;
> > harleyma...@cox.net; hemili...@hotmail.com; hillbillytrai...@aol.com;
> > iles...@shawbleckner.com; jimibe...@aol.com; joelrachm...@aol.com;
> > judyfuller...@aol.com; majorh...@sbcglobal.net; sergeantalva...@gmail.com;
> > oldpolit...@cs.com; p00f...@aol.com; patrick.henry.wan...@gmail.com;
> > restore...@aol.com; rockys...@msn.com; sandysb...@aol.com;
> > sergeantfree...@hotmail.com; sirguy2...@ameritech.net; lfever...@yahoo.com;
> > sjm...@fuse.net; peterjfes...@gmail.com; algae5...@aol.com;
> > major.h...@sbcglobal.net; majors.br...@gmail.com; ea.richa...@att.net;
> > clayton.pu...@gmail.com; d3...@sbcglobal.net; maximus...@cox.net;
> > tdiet...@sbcglobal.net; abelieve...@yahoo.com; mckinneyhunt...@aol.com;
> > elli...@aol.com; twelv...@comcast.net; trggerhpp...@aol.com;
> > vbboyd123...@yahoo.com; whatnow...@yahoo.com; evedem...@verizon.net
> > *Sent:* Thu, September 22, 2011 8:58:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: 14-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying,
>
> >  *Mark, people like Tony Passaro and Keith are scared little boys. They **wake
> > up in the morning, and obsess about, Gays, and anything and anybody
> > different from them. The insanity they spew is nothing more than hate
> > speech. They feel empowered when they make fun of Gays and Lesbians, Blacks,
> > Hispanics. It validates who they are. Hateful, Intolerant people. I hope God
> > is a Gay Black man.   ** *
>
> > In a message dated 9/22/2011 7:47:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > carpb...@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> > Such as executing a black man in Georgia who was innocent of the crime for
> > which he was executed, Tony?
>
> > Oh, wait - doesn't your bible, The Turner Diaries, expostulate at length
> > about blacks hanging from street light poles?
>
> > Mark
> > carpb...@sbcglobal.net
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
> >  ^__^
> > {  . .  }
> >  \_~_/
>
> > On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:51 AM, "apassaro" <apass...@crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> >    Just do not perform acts of perversion
>
> > Tony Passaro
> > From The Cockpit of R&R
> > Somewhere Along the ICW
> > Eastern United States
>
> >  *From:* <Predato...@aol.com>Predato...@aol.com
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:10 AM
> > *To:* <alt...@aol.com>alt...@aol.com ; <onepocketpla...@gmail.com>
> > onepocketpla...@gmail.com ; <vandoran.heat...@yahoo.com>
> > vandoran.heat...@yahoo.com ; <mccloed...@dslextreme.com>
> > mccloed...@dslextreme.com ; <mckinneyhun...@aol.com>mckinneyhun...@aol.com;
> > <paul.d...@hotmail.com>paul.d...@hotmail.com ; <jmills9...@aol.com>
> > jmills9...@aol.com ; <ducky4...@comcast.net>ducky4...@comcast.net
> > *Cc:* <carpb...@sbcglobal.net>carpb...@sbcglobal.net ; <hogpo...@aol.com>
> > hogpo...@aol.com ; <apass...@crosslink.net>apass...@crosslink.net ;
> > <uwhun...@earthlink.net>uwhun...@earthlink.net ; <Echo...@aol.com>
> > Echo...@aol.com ; <FKero...@aol.com>FKero...@aol.com ;
> > <sergeantfree...@gmail.com>sergeantfree...@gmail.com ;
> > <wakeupwa...@aol.com>wakeupwa...@aol.com ; <gerio...@aol.com>
> > gerio...@aol.com ; <cbhens...@aol.com>cbhens...@aol.com ;
> > <jreed62...@aol.com>jreed62...@aol.com ; <chirh...@aol.com>
> > chirh...@aol.com ; <pashara...@verizon.net>pashara...@verizon.net ;
> > <aman...@aol.com>aman...@aol.com ; <microdh...@gmail.com>
> > microdh...@gmail.com ; <posther...@aol.com>posther...@aol.com ;
> > <scorpi0la...@aol.com>scorpi0la...@aol.com ; <ladywinds...@aol.com>
> > ladywinds...@aol.com ; <jmach...@hotmail.com>jmach...@hotmail.com ;
> > <tien656...@aol.com>tien656...@aol.com ; <sale...@aol.com>sale...@aol.com;
> > <jpas...@aol.com>jpas...@aol.com ; <rgellar...@yahoo.com>
> > rgellar...@yahoo.com ; <kmcg...@aol.com>kmcg...@aol.com ;
> > <anakaha...@ritternet.com>anakaha...@ritternet.com ; <murray1...@aol.com>
> > murray1...@aol.com ; <marcki...@aol.com>marcki...@aol.com ;
> > <mike_stat...@yahoo.com>mike_stat...@yahoo.com ; <kalo...@aol.com>
> > kalo...@aol.com ; <earn4...@aol.com>earn4...@aol.com ;
> > <colon...@gmail.com>colon...@gmail.com ; <randy...@aol.com>
> > randy...@aol.com ; <advancedstudie...@gmail.com>
> > advancedstudie...@gmail.com ; <bayw...@aol.com>bayw...@aol.com ;
> > <b...@gcbussu.com>b...@gcbussu.com ; <bern30...@hotmail.com>
> > bern30...@hotmail.com ; <breww...@runbox.com>breww...@runbox.com ;
> > <chasn...@aol.com>chasn...@aol.com ; <kon...@bresnan.net>
> > kon...@bresnan.net ; <conner...@aol.com>conner...@aol.com ;
> > <cougar...@msn.com>cougar...@msn.com ; <dijo...@aol.com>dijo...@aol.com ;
> > <edpa...@yahoo.com>edpa...@yahoo.com ; <freelancer...@aol.com>
> > freelancer...@aol.com ; <gayles...@aol.com>gayles...@aol.com ;
> > <gregship...@hughes.net>gregship...@hughes.net ; <harleyma...@cox.net>
> > harleyma...@cox.net ; <hemili...@hotmail.com>hemili...@hotmail.com ;
> > <hillbillytrai...@aol.com>hillbillytrai...@aol.com ;
> > <iles...@shawbleckner.com>iles...@shawbleckner.com ; <jimibe...@aol.com>
> > jimibe...@aol.com ; <joelrachm...@aol.com>joelrachm...@aol.com ;
> > <judyfuller...@aol.com>judyfuller...@aol.com ; <majorh...@sbcglobal.net>
> > majorh...@sbcglobal.net ; <sergeantalva...@gmail.com>
> > sergeantalva...@gmail.com ; <oldpolit...@cs.com>oldpolit...@cs.com ;
> > <p00f...@aol.com>p00f...@aol.com ; <patrick.henry.wan...@gmail.com>
> > patrick.henry.wan...@gmail.com ; <restore...@aol.com>restore...@aol.com ;
> > <rockys...@msn.com>rockys...@msn.com ; <sandysb...@aol.com>
> > sandysb...@aol.com ; <sergeantfree...@hotmail.com>
> > sergeantfree...@hotmail.com ; <sirguy2...@ameritech.net>
> > sirguy2...@ameritech.net ; <lfever...@yahoo.com>lfever...@yahoo.com ;
> > <sjm...@fuse.net>sjm...@fuse.net ; <peterjfes...@gmail.com>
> > peterjfes...@gmail.com ; <algae5...@aol.com>algae5...@aol.com ;
> > <major.h...@sbcglobal.net>major.h...@sbcglobal.net ;
> > <majors.br...@gmail.com>majors.br...@gmail.com ; <ea.richa...@att.net>
> > ea.richa...@att.net ; <clayton.pu...@gmail.com>clayton.pu...@gmail.com ;
> > <d3...@sbcglobal.net>d3...@sbcglobal.net ; <maximus...@cox.net>
> > maximus...@cox.net ; <tdiet...@sbcglobal.net>tdiet...@sbcglobal.net ;
> > <abelieve...@yahoo.com>abelieve...@yahoo.com ; <mckinneyhunt...@aol.com>
> > mckinneyhunt...@aol.com ; <elli...@aol.com>elli...@aol.com ;
> > <twelv...@comcast.net>twelv...@comcast.net ; <trggerhpp...@aol.com>
> > trggerhpp...@aol.com ; <vbboyd123...@yahoo.com>vbboyd123...@yahoo.com ;
> > <whatnow...@yahoo.com>whatnow...@yahoo.com ; <evedem...@verizon.net>
> > evedem...@verizon.net
> > *Subject:* Re: 14-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying,
>
> >  In a message dated 9/21/2011 6:43:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > alt...@aol.com writes:
>
> > Jamey Rodemeyer, 14-Year-Old Boy, Commits Suicide After Gay Bullying
> > So? The moral of the story is don't be a filthy pervert.
>
> > =

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Re: Biggest Losers in Palestine Veto? The American People

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_Recognition.svg

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
By the same token, Israel is against the United Nations acknowledging Palestine as a Nation-State....Uhm....The same mechanism that Israel was acknowledged.
 


 
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
So much for republicans being the Zionistas, eh?  Maybe Rahm should
have been a clue.

"Palestine", wants to be recognized as a state, while refusing to
recognize Israel as a state.  Okey dokey.

Bravo Mr President

On Sep 24, 5:51 am, Moe <coates...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest threat is the undermining of the representatives in the
> Congress when it comes to decisions that affect the policies of the
> United States. I was surprised to see a clip with Wolf Blitzer and
> Netanyahu discussing the fact that during the speech of Netanyahu
> before the Congress various Israeli politicians were sitting together
> with American representatives to influence their voting. Blitzer asked
> Netanyahu if this was correct and how would an Israeli react if Joe
> Walsh sat in the parliament of Israel to assure that Israel walk the
> line to American interest. Netanyahu said in a joking manner that he
> has no control over the politicians in Israel. Netanyahu has gone so
> far as to threaten various politicians about their re-election if they
> did not pull the Israeli line. It is clear to everyone who can think,
> Israel can do what it wants to disrupt the balance in the region. For
> any mistake made then the USA will be called to bail Israel out. This
> means US Taxpayers and members of the US Armed Forces will pay the
> bill. This payment will be in the form of taxpayer's money and lives.
> United States pays Israel 3.5 Billion Dollars per year in support.
> They pay Palestine 500 million dollars a year.  America does not have
> this money.  We should be investing in the USA. Look at the increased
> costs due to securing the American interests on a worldwide basis.
> American taxpayers cover the increased costs and the host countries
> pay their part. After Obama took office, USA has reduced threats. Due
> to recent actions by Israel, the threat level has increased for all of
> America´s allies in addition to that of the US.
>
> Israel is looking at Iran. Israel might take action to destroy these
> plants. They have asked or oppressed the US for F-18s and the armament
> to destroy the nuclear plants in Iran. Israel has received addition
> armaments and cooperation from the United States to the level where
> the interest of the United States are in question. Look at the case of
> F-15 plans that Israel received from the United States. After USA
> terminated the project, Israel then sold the plans to China. China
> then had a great technological leap forward with their efforts to gain
> American military expertise. Look at the spying cases of Jewish
> Americans and the attempts to free the convicted individuals by
> putting pressure on Congress members.
> If you look at the Israeli population in Israel, 800.000 of their
> register citizens are living in the United States. How many of
> Israel's citizens are living else where due to the daily risk. The
> amount of money made is tremendous for selling homes to Israelis in
> who have USA, as their first address. Another case is the cheaper
> access to the American market for medical devices and software
> products. This costs the average American not only his job but also
> increase taxes for services he is not getting. What is it costing us
> for a government that has more interest in appeasing Israel and not
> supporting the infrastructure of the United States? How many American
> lives will be spend for any of the foolish steps that Israel might
> take in the region? What are the additional costs to Europe and the
> United States due to the Israeli failed action with the Turkish aid
> ships? What is the cost of an American Congress that is more
> interested in supporting Israel's follies than that of support the
> interests of the American people?
>
> On Sep 23, 2:26 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Biggest Losers in Palestine Veto? The American PeoplebyPhilip Giraldi, September 22, 2011
> > If the Palestinian application for United Nations full membership actually takes place Friday and the United States uses its Security Council veto to stop the process, it will be the final step in a predictable and preventable tragedy playing out. Some are arguing that Washington might actually abstain, thereby gaining considerable favorable sentiment from much of the world and also sending a signal to Israel that there are limits to the bilateral relationship. But it is far more likely that President Barack Obama, who has stated over and over that he will protect Israel in international forums, will not flinch when he calls on Susan Rice to cast the fatal vote. Any expectation that the president might hesitate either because it is the right thing to do or because it benefits the United States is fanciful, particularly with a presidential election looming in 2012.
> > Washington's attempts to "mediate" the situation have really been limited to pressuring the Palestinians to back off. Sending National Security Council officialDennis Ross, "Israel's lawyer," to Ramallah to talk around the Palestinian leadership should, if anything, indicate to the Palestinians that Washington is, as it always has been, firmly in the Israeli corner. So let us assume that Palestine will feel compelled to seek full U.N. membership as the world's 194th nation and that Washington will then veto the application. The first question then has to be whether the entire process had any meaning at all or it was just kabuki, a stylized show played out to an appreciative audience with a predictable ending. The short answer is that the Palestinians will certainly be on the losing end as they have been for more than 60 years but the real losers will be the United States and Israel.
> > The mainstream media has echoed Israeli and American arguments that Palestinian statehood is meaningless without a negotiated settlement of issues on the ground. But Israel has made it clear that it has no desire to negotiate anything while it continues to occupy the West Bank, so the Palestinian choice is to accept the status quo, in which it is powerless and voiceless, or attempt to line up the international community more solidly behind it and shift the playing field.
> > Israel has been working hard to stop the process, or, at worst, to mitigate its impact by having a number of important nations, mostly in Europe, either abstain on the vote or vote no. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a glad-handtourof European capitals earlier this year with that express purpose, and he received positive signals from the Italians, the Dutch, the Poles, and the Germans, though it is by no means clear how they will vote. It was for Israel a top national priority, which it has conveyed clearly to its friends in the United States.
> > Washington, at the urging of Israel, also joined in the effort, starting withwarningslate last year to Latin American nations that recognizing Palestine as a state would be "unacceptable." More recently, the State Department and the White House have repeatedly expressed their desire that the Palestinians shelve their plans to seek a U.N. seat, and they have been assiduously working both in front of the TV cameras in New York and Washington and behind the scenes to convince the Palestinian leadership to cease and desist. The dialogue has been given some teeth by Congress, which is determined tocut all aidto Palestine if the U.N. action goes through. One congressmen, Joe Walsh of Illinois, is preparing amotionthat will provide congressional support for an Israeli annexation of much of the West Bank if the Palestinians proceed. Walsh describes Palestinian statehood as "absolutely outrageous."
> > So Israel sees the Palestinian plan as a major threat and the United States appears to be on board, but many would reasonably observe that Israel often cries wolf and greatly exaggerates what it perceives as threats against it. Is that true in this case, making it just another instance where Tel Aviv is adopting an extreme position in hopes that Washington will deliver the goods? It may not be. Israel sees danger precisely because the Palestinian bid will do a couple of things that call into question some significant aspects of the status quo. First of all, since it will certainly pass with a huge majority in the General Assembly if the Palestinians opt to go that route, it will provide overwhelming international confirmation of Palestinian rights with the U.S. and Israel standing on the wrong side on the issue. It will also severely undermine Israel's moral position, such as it is, and emphasize the illegality of the Israeli occupation of parts of the West Bank. The process is already illegal in the eyes of the rest of the world, including the United States, but it will be even less tenable if a convincing majority of the world's countries recognize Palestine as a state with defined borders and a national identity.
> > Second, recognition of statehood carries with it recognition that the state exists within defined space, in this case the 1967 borders. This has enormous significance because those borders include many areas being colonized by the Israelis, as well as East Jerusalem. It means that any Israeli settlement that is on the other side of that border is considered completely illegal and that Israel is therefore a rogue state that is occupying and settling lands belonging to a neighboring state 44 years after the cessation of hostilities. Even theNew York Timesin anarticleon Sept. 10 regarding the recent unrest in Egypt, noting that Islamic groups were not involved, conceded that criticism of Israel has a basis in the widespread popular perception that "Muslims, Arabs, and indeed many around the globe believe Israel is unjustly occupying Palestinian territories, and they are furious at Israel for it." The rejection of Palestinian statehood and the debate surrounding it will only heighten that sentiment.
> > If the Palestinians are in the United Nations as a full member or even with limited rights, they will have access to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where they can take legal steps against Israel and against individual Israelis. Even though Israel doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the court, when it reaches the point where no senior Israeli government official, present or
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