Preferably in a box 6 foot down.
/ Bear
Kill the messenger?
On Oct 23, 3:57 pm, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh my dear One.
> "if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" has been the
> trope of dictatorships though out history.
> Just ask yourself. Are you a criminal. I will assume no. So, when are you
> going to go down to the Police division and give them the keys to your
> house. and all your passwords? After all if you have nothing to hid or be
> ashamed of there is "no threat".
>
> as for the pentagon. that was the comment on the first batch. no this batch,
> since they haven't seen all the files yet.
> And. They were wrong about eh first batch. Just days after the "leak" an
> Afgani who was helping the allies was taken from his home and murdered. The
> BBC has reported that several more that were mentioned in the file, whether
> by name or by revealing enough info to figure out who they are, have been
> threatened as have their families.
>
> Assange has blood on his hands. And should be hiding.
> Preferably in a box 6 foot down.
>
> Bear
>
> On 23 October 2010 13:58, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bear,
>
> > If you do nothing that needs to be hidden or that you are ashamed of
> > there is no threat. The official Pentagon comment on the last release
> > was that it contained nothing of importance. Just how is releasing
> > "nothing of importance" (a seemingly small fact left out of your
> > posted article) the act of a traitor??
>
> > Further, US law, US tradition, US ideals and or anything else US
> > applies only on US soil. Live with it.
>
> > On Oct 23, 11:33 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > A surprisingly frank, for the times, look at the idiot behind Wikileaks.
>
> > > Personally I think the guy is a traitor. My lefty neighbour says he is
> > not a
> > > traitor as he leaked U.S. documents and he is an Aussie.
> > > Well, the Australians have soldiers in this war too. And his actions have
> > > endangered them. As well as my Canadian countrymen and friends serving in
> > > Afghanistan.
>
> > > He is paranoid about the CIA. (time for the aluminum foil hat?) But, one
> > of
> > > these days he is going to leak the wrong file and insult the Taliban and
> > > their friends in the west. Then he will see just what it is like to be on
> > > the run. And will probably then want the U.S. or Britain to protect him.
>
> > > Bear
>
> > > WikiLeaks Founder on the Run, Chased by Turmoil By JOHN F.
> > > BURNS<
> >http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/john_f_b..
> > .>and
> > > RAVI SOMAIYA Published:
> > > October 23, 2010
>
> > > LONDON — Julian Assange moves like a hunted man. In a noisy Ethiopian
> > > restaurant in London's rundown Paddington district, he pitches his voice
> > > barely above a whisper to foil the Western intelligence agencies he
> > fears.
>
> > > He demands that his dwindling number of loyalists use expensive encrypted
> > > cellphones and swaps his own as other men change shirts. He checks into
> > > hotels under false names, dyes his hair, sleeps on sofas and floors, and
> > > uses cash instead of credit cards, often borrowed from friends.
>
> > > "By being determined to be on this path, and not to compromise, I've
> > wound
> > > up in an extraordinary situation," Mr. Assange said over lunch last
> > Sunday,
> > > when he arrived sporting a woolen beanie and a wispy stubble and trailing
> > a
> > > youthful entourage that included a filmmaker assigned to document any
> > > unpleasant surprises.
>
> > > In his remarkable journey to notoriety, Mr. Assange, founder of the
> > > WikiLeaks<
> >http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/w/w..
> > .>whistle-blowers'
> > > Web site, sees the next few weeks as his most hazardous.
> > > Now he is making his most brazen disclosure yet: 391,832 secret documents
> > on
> > > the Iraq war. He held a news conference in London on Saturday, saying
> > that
> > > the release "constituted the most comprehensive and detailed account of
> > any
> > > war ever to have entered the public record."
>
> > > Twelve weeks earlier, he posted on his organization's Web site some
> > 77,000
> > > classified Pentagon documents on the Afghan conflict.
>
> > > Much has changed since 2006, when Mr. Assange, a 39-year-old Australian,
> > > used years of computer hacking and what friends call a near genius I.Q.
> > to
> > > establish WikiLeaks, redefining whistle-blowing by gathering secrets in
> > > bulk, storing them beyond the reach of governments and others determined
> > to
> > > retrieve them, then releasing them instantly, and globally.
>
> > > Now it is not just governments that denounce him: some of his own
> > comrades
> > > are abandoning him for what they see as erratic and imperious behavior,
> > and
> > > a nearly delusional grandeur unmatched by an awareness that the digital
> > > secrets he reveals can have a price in flesh and blood.
>
> > > Several WikiLeaks colleagues say he alone decided to release the Afghan
> > > documents without removing the names of Afghan intelligence sources
> > > for NATO<
> >http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/n..
> > .>troops.
> > > "We were very, very upset with that, and with the way he spoke about
> > > it afterwards," said Birgitta Jonsdottir, a core WikiLeaks volunteer and
> > a
> > > member of Iceland's Parliament. "If he could just focus on the important
> > > things he does, it would be better."
>
> > > He is also being investigated in connection with accusations of rape and
> > > molestation involving two Swedish women. Mr. Assange denied the
> > allegations,
> > > saying the relations were consensual. But prosecutors in Sweden have yet
> > to
> > > formally approve charges or dismiss the case eight weeks after the
> > > complaints against Mr. Assange were filed, damaging his quest for a
> > secure
> > > base for himself and WikiLeaks. Though he characterizes the claims as "a
> > > smear campaign," the scandal has compounded the pressures of his cloaked
> > > life.
>
> > > "When it comes to the point where you occasionally look forward to being
> > in
> > > prison on the basis that you might be able to spend a day reading a book,
> > > the realization dawns that perhaps the situation has become a little more
> > > stressful than you would like," he said over the London lunch.
>
> > > *Exposing Secrets*
>
> > > Mr. Assange has come a long way from an unsettled childhood in Australia
> > as
> > > a self-acknowledged social misfit who narrowly avoided prison after being
> > > convicted on 25 charges of computer hacking in 1995. History is
> > punctuated
> > > by spies, defectors and others who revealed the most inflammatory secrets
> > of
> > > their age. Mr. Assange has become that figure for the Internet era, with
> > as
> > > yet unreckoned consequences for himself and for the keepers of the
> > world's
> > > secrets.
>
> > > "I've been waiting 40 years for someone to disclose information on a
> > scale
> > > that might really make a difference," said Daniel
> > > Ellsberg<
> >http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/e/daniel_e...>,
> > > who exposed a 1,000-page secret study of the Vietnam War in 1971 that
> > became
> > > known as the Pentagon Papers.
>
> > > Mr. Ellsberg said he saw kindred spirits in Mr. Assange and Pfc. Bradley
> > > Manning<
> >http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/bradley_...>,
> > > the 22-year-old former Army intelligence operative under detention in
> > > Quantico, Va., suspected of leaking the Iraq and Afghan documents.
>
> > > "They were willing to go to prison for life, or be executed, to put out
> > this
> > > information," Mr. Ellsberg said.
>
> > > Underlying Mr. Assange's anxieties is deep uncertainty about what the
> > United
> > > States and its allies may do next. Pentagon and Justice department
> > officials
> > > have said they are weighing his actions under the 1917 Espionage Act.
> > They
> > > have demanded that Mr. Assange "return" all government documents in his
> > > possession, undertake not to publish any new ones and not "solicit"
> > further
> > > American materials.
>
> > > Mr. Assange has responded by going on the run, but has found no refuge.
> > Amid
> > > the Afghan documents controversy, he flew to Sweden, seeking a residence
> > > permit and protection under that country's broad press freedoms. His
> > initial
> > > welcome was euphoric.
>
> > > "They called me the James Bond of journalism," he recalled wryly. "It got
> > me
> > > a lot of fans, and some of them ended up causing me a bit of trouble."
>
> > > In late September, he left Stockholm for Berlin. A bag he checked on the
> > > almost empty flight disappeared, with three encrypted laptops. It has not
> > > resurfaced; Mr. Assange suspects it was intercepted. From Germany, he
> > > traveled to London, wary at being detained on arrival. Iceland, a country
> > > with generous press freedoms , has also lost its appeal, with Mr. Assange
> > > concluding that its government is too easily influenced by Washington.
>
> > > He faces attack from within, too.
>
> > > After the Sweden scandal, strains within WikiLeaks reached a breaking
> > point,
> > > with some of Mr. Assange's closest collaborators publicly defecting. The
> > New
> > > York Times spoke with dozens of people who have worked with and supported
> > > him in Iceland, Sweden, Germany, Britain and the United States. What
> > emerged
> > > was a picture of the founder of WikiLeaks as its prime innovator and
> > > charismatic force but as someone whose growing celebrity has been matched
> > by
> > > an increasingly dictatorial, eccentric and capricious style.
>
> > > *Internal Turmoil*
>
> > > Effectively, as Mr. Assange pursues his fugitive's life, his leadership
> > is
> > > enforced over the Internet. Even remotely, his style is imperious. When
> > > Herbert Snorrason, a 25-year-old political activist in Iceland,
> > questioned
> > > Mr. Assange's judgment over a number of issues in an online exchange last
> > > month, Mr. Assange was uncompromising. "I don't like your tone," he said,
> > > according to a transcript. "If it continues, you're out."
>
> > > Mr. Assange cast himself as indispensable. "I am the heart
>
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