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Republicans will have a bright future if Paul wins

"In actuality, a person cannot truly be in favor of small government if he only favors it in the realms that appeal to him. Social freedom and economic freedom go hand-in-hand, and this is reflected in Paul's ideology.
"And that is exactly why Ron Paul is the best choice for the Republican nomination. He truly represents what Republicanism and Conservatism are all about. "

Republicans will have a bright future if Paul wins
By Brandon Muncy
Sunday, August 21, 2011

Congressman Ron Paul gives a speech.

Maybe you do not agree with his foreign policy of peace and non-interventionism.

Perhaps you heard some sort of distortion that he wants to legalize heroine when, in reality, he wants to leave that decision rightfully, and Constitutionally, up to the states.

The fact is, this presidential election is neither about heroine nor entirely about foreign policy. It is about the economy, and no Republican candidate knows economics better than Texas Congressman Ron Paul.

Small government Conservatism is all the rage with Republicans these days, and no candidate better represents that movement than the founder of the Tea Party himself, Ron Paul.

In commemoration of the Boston Tea Party, a moneybomb was held on December 16, 2007, when Ron Paul raised $6 million in a 24-hour period. This was the very beginning of the Tea Party movement.

Yet, the undeniable fact of the matter is, Paul still does not win over mainstream Republicans. Many, who in fact claim to be passionate Tea Party members, think of Paul as a "kook" or "crazy."

But still many of these people parade as small government aficionados and rave about the foul taste Obama has left in their mouths, while simultaneously writing off the single candidate who truly believes in freedom and small government in favor of establishment figures such as Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and Palin-esque Michele Bachmann.

Paul has been ahead of the curve on economic issues. He was the first to raise questions about the Federal Reserve and its effect on the economy through the business cycle.

Now, the business cycle discussion is being talked from newer angles and much more intellectually.

Paul has been a different kind of politician in that, namely, he has shown integrity throughout his time in Washington.

Indeed, he has been the most consistent politician in, perhaps, American history. Paul has stood true to his principles and convictions through the decades, being the lone "no" vote in Congress numerous times.

Not once in his decades of political service has Paul once voted to raise taxes.

Social conservatives need not fret. Paul is vehemently anti-abortion and favors repealing Roe v. Wade. Additionally, he defines marriage as being between a single man and a single woman.

However, what separates Paul from the other candidates on these issues is that he does not allow his personal views to come into conflict with his views on the role of government.

Make no mistake, while Paul is a social conservative, he is a small government proponent first.

That means allowing anti-abortion and pro-gay marriage laws at the state level if such laws are passed.

Maybe that infuriates you about Paul, but it shouldn't. It is a sign of true principle and love of the Constitution.

No other Republican candidate for the presidency can claim to have such fondness of the Constitution or of limited government.

That's what Republicans want these days, isn't it?

In actuality, a person cannot truly be in favor of small government if he only favors it in the realms that appeal to him. Social freedom and economic freedom go hand-in-hand, and this is reflected in Paul's ideology.

And that is exactly why Ron Paul is the best choice for the Republican nomination. He truly represents what Republicanism and Conservatism are all about.

Principle and conviction are not all this Congressman has to offer. Paul stands the best chance of beating Obama in 2012.

In such an election, he would have the Republican vote locked up, courtesy of all the anti-Obama journalism of the past three years.

Furthermore, he wins many left-leaning voters who are disenfranchised by the lost promise of "change."

While his relatively high popularity with the Left may surprise some, it is as Paul optimistically proclaims, "Freedom brings us together."

There is something special about a candidate who can bring people of typically differing political views together.

Detractors claim that Paul appears "unpresidential," yet there's something undeniably very likable about him, something refreshing.

Conjecture abound, maybe it's his integrity and honesty, or maybe it's the freshness of a candidate who has real principles that do not change with the election cycle.

Maybe it's the way he refuses to go with the grain for political gain.

Whatever the case may be, Ron Paul is not only the best candidate for the Republican nomination, but he is the best choice for President of the United States.

But he has to get that far first.

All that really keeps him from being considered a top tier candidate by mainstream outlets is his foreign policy. For the next election, Republicans should put aside their beliefs on foreign policy and elect someone with integrity, intelligence and real knowledge of economics. Not another talking-point spewing figurehead.

That way, we all win.

http://www.thedaonline.com/opinion/republicans-will-have-a-bright-future-if-paul-wins-1.2550368

Maxine Waters has been there and back several times over !

Maxine Waters ( D ) told a crowd of supporters that The Tea Party
grass root movement can go to hell as far as she was concerned. No "
civility " at all from Maxie who's been to hell and back several times
over on her liberal ventures. Had a caucus with the Devil and his
angels I'm told. Ha! Ha!

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Cargill gives Muslim workers gender-segregated prayer space with prayer rugs

creeping | August 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM | Tags: Creeping Sharia, islam, Legal, Life, Media, Muslim, News, Politics, Random, Religion, Sharia, travel | Categories: Alerts, Colorado, Creeping Sharia, Legal, Media, News, Politics, Religion, Sharia, Stealth Jihad | URL: http://wp.me/pbU4v-9oJ

Islam means submission. Cargill has been submitted. Another sharia-compliant workplace in America complete with gender-segregated mini-mosque and Islamic prayer rugs. Fort Morgan meatpacking plant strives, struggles to accommodate Muslim workforce - The Denver Post. FORT MORGAN — One afternoon this summer, Asha Abuukar said, she approached her supervisor at the Cargill Meat Solutions plant and [...]

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Joe Biden : Serial Liar, Exaggerator, Buffoon, Banking Cronie For New World Order!

Volubrjotr | August 22, 2011 at 16:41 | Tags: barack obama, George VI of the United Kingdom, Joe Biden, Sichuan University, united states, united states constitution, Vice President of the United States, white house | Categories: barack obama, government, obama, political, politics, soetoro, subversion, treason, video, yes we can | URL: http://wp.me/psXSG-bGS

Vice President Joe Biden may have managed to cure his own stammer, but he still appears to be pathologically incapable of speaking of his own accomplishments without exaggerating. In an address he made today to students at Sichuan University in China today (full text, as emailed out by the White House, here), he stated that [...]

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LAWYER OBAMA - NOT REALLY!!!-----Surprising cited facts -What Big Liars !

      This is from a former Chicago lawyer now practicing law in Tyler , TX .

      This is legit. I checked it out myself at https://www.iardc.org Stands for Illinois Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee. It's the official arm of lawyer discipline in Illinois; and they are very strict and mean as hell. (Talk about irony.) Even I, at the advanced age of almost 65, maintain (at the cost of approximately $600/year) my law license that I worked so hard and long to earn.

      Big surprise.

      Former Constitutional Law Lecturer and U.S. President Makes Up Constitutional Quotes During State Of The Union (SOTU) Address.

      Consider this:

      1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order to escape charges he lied on his bar application.

      A "Voluntary Surrender" is not something where you decide "Gee, a license is not really something I need anymore, is it?" and forget to renew your license. No, a "Voluntary Surrender" is something you do when you've been accused of something, and you 'voluntarily surrender" your license five seconds before the state suspends you.

      2 Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993.

      3. So, we have the first black President and First Lady - who don't actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.

      Source: http://jdlong..wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-barack-obama-editor-of-the-Harvard-law-review-has-no-law-license/

      4. A senior lecturer is one thing, a fully ranked law professor is another. Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago.

      5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school-but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

      6. "He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.

      Source: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html ;

      7. The former Constitutional Senior Lecturer (Obama) cited the U.S. Constitution the other night during his State of the Union Address. Unfortunately, the quote he cited was from the Declaration of Independence ... not the Constitution.

      8. The B-Cast posted the video: http://www.breitbart.tv/did-obama-confuse-the-constitution-with-the-declaration-of-independence/

      9. Free Republic: In the State of the Union Address, President Obama said: "We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal.

      10. Um, wrong citing, wrong founding document there Champ, I mean Mr. President. By the way, the promises are not a notion, our founders named them unalienable rights. The document is our Declaration of Independence and it reads:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments later in the same speech?

      When you are a phony it's hard to keep facts straight.

      Keep this moving - educate others.


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Muslims in America planning another hijacking around the tenth anniversary of 9/11

barenakedislam | August 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM | Categories: Islam in America | URL: http://wp.me/peHnV-yz2

American Muslim Leaders Organizing 'Anti-Bigotry' Conference to mark the 10th Anniversary of 9/11. On September 10, the organization United for Change will host a conference titled "United We Stand: One Nation, One Destiny" to shed light on the threat of anti-Muslim sentiment and how to move the nation forward as a positive force in the [...]

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Now that we have a Commander-in-Chief who loathes the military, the NY Times can freely express its own disdain for America's heroes

barenakedislam | August 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM | Categories: Military stories | URL: http://wp.me/peHnV-yzp

On the front page of the editorial section of the Sunday Times is a prominently featured essay bemoaning Americans who put the military on a pedestal--and suggests they may not really be heroes at all. NY Times writer William Deresiewicz disparages having support for the troops as the "cult of the uniform" and criticizes the [...]

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Home Depot is having a sale on Newfoundland Recliners.

Steve | August 22, 2011 at 4:29 am | Categories: Humor | URL: http://wp.me/pKuKY-8Rv

IF ONLY I HAD REALISED WHAT THEY WERE FOR!

I want one.

If I'd figured out how to use this correctly, I might have qualified to be a city worker.

I've been using mine all wrong.

~Steve~ H/T Joseph

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Psst... Wanna Make a Quick & Easy $5,000?

Eowyn | August 22, 2011 at 5:39 am | Tags: Honolulu Advertiser, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, Obama birth announcement, Obama birth certificate, The Birther Summit | Categories: 2012 Election, crime, Liberals, Media, United States, US Presidents | URL: http://wp.me/pKuKY-8R4

This is a public service announcement:

We've all seen the online image of that announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, by "Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama" of the birth of their son on August 4, 1961.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

But, just like Barack Obama Jr.'s birth certificate, no one actually has seen the actual newspaper.

Are you are a pack rat who lived in Hawaii in 1961 or have a family member who lived there?

Did you once work for The Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin (the two newspapers went belly up and merged to form the Honolulu Star-Advertiser on June 7, 2010) and have access to your newspaper's back issues?

Here's a quick and easy way for you to make FIVE THOUSAND smackaroos !!!!!!

Hawaii News Now reports, August 19, 2011, that a group called 'The Birther Summit' has offered a $5,000 reward for the original edition of either the Aug. 13, 1961 edition of The Honolulu Advertiser or the Aug. 14, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.

Contact: Dean C. Haskins
202.241.3546
dean@birthersummit.org
© 2011 The Birther Summit

The Birther Summit issues an alert to the people of Honolulu, HI for someone who may very well be in possession of an original newspaper for which we will pay $5000! An original copy of the August 13, 1961 edition of The Honolulu Advertiser or the August 14, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin will earn the first bearer $5000.

Those are the editions of the newspapers in which the purported birth announcement of Barack Obama appeared, and while we understand that the announcement's inclusion in those newspapers would not be conclusive proof that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii (as there were circumstances that would have allowed for them to appear without a Hawaii birth actually occurring), the only evidence anyone has actually seen of the birth announcements has been copies of microfiche versions of those newspapers, and they contain suspicious anomalies. As with the vault version of Obama's birth certificate (which has still not been forensically verified as being a valid document), we would like an opportunity to inspect one of these actual newspapers rather than purported representations of them.

The Birther Summit is aware that the existence of an original copy of one of these two newspapers might be fairly unlikely; however, August 13, 1961 was also the day that the first reports of the Berlin Wall's construction appeared in newspapers around the globe. For that reason, we believe that someone in Honolulu may have saved and stored a copy of one of them.

To redeem this reward, individuals may submit photographic evidence of their possession of one of those two newspapers to dean@birthersummit.org at which time instructions will be provided regarding the purchase process that will be brokered through our attorney's office.

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If you would like more information about the Birther Summit, please visit our website often at www.birthersummit.org.

H/t beloved fellow Tina & ObamaReleaseYourRecords.

~Eowyn

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Re: Who Schooled Whom?

States rights are protected under the US constitution not "
International or UN " laws. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

On Aug 21, 5:19 pm, Ixtelan <drbuck...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> States have an inherent right to self-defense, not to intervene.
> Threats or use of force by one state against another violate customary
> international law and the UN Charter.
>
> Unless you live in Oklahoma, where voters have determined that no
> state judge may rely on international law to render decisions in state
> courts. Okies are still having a tough time understanding Article VI,
> paragraph 2, of the Constitution.
>
> On Aug 19, 6:50 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> > The United States has not only a duty, but an inherent right to "intervene"
> > when its interests or citizens are threatened or somehow placed in
> > jeopardy. Collectively, our Nation has used great restraint, and its not as
> > if the United States is known for sticking its nose in other Nations'
> > business or affairs, unless our liberty interests are somehow affected.
>
> > The support of the Shah and his family was a prudent political move and kept
> > stability in that Nation for almost thirty years. A Nation that America had
> > an abundance of interests in, (as did Great Britain) as Iran supplied the
> > bulk of crude oil to the West in the 1950s, and we had a ton of money
> > invested in that oil, its exploration, the technology to retrieve it, and
> > the supply chain to get the product to market. Just as important,
> > geopolitically, Iran sits at the Straights of Hormuz, and it was critical
> > especially during the 1950s and 1960s that the Persian Gulf and the
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Re: JP Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

I don't know whether you (we) are discussing it seriously or in lighter vein.

Sorry, no exceptions. The aim is to eliminate ALL weapons, licensed or unlicensed, and when there will be no weapons the need for self protection shall not arise.

As proper record of all surrendered weapons will be maintained, the licensed ones could be returned after some time after due verifications/recommendations/sureties. Remember, many miscreants and mafia groups enjoying the patronage of one or the other political party are given licenses by their political parties. All unlicensed weapons shall be confiscated.

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

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From: umar naveed

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:55 PM

Subject: Re: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Colonl sabh I strongly agree with your all options except the one you qouted (
Take three or four of them and shoot them with their own weapons within the seeing and hearing of others. Thereafter, publicise the shooting widely with all means of publicity. Human Rightists, please hold your horses

)

, This is not the sloution may be some of them are keeping liscenced or non liscensed for their own protection from the terrorists or others, so by killing u may kill innocents, show a little relaxation in ur stratigy otherwise u will be called Musharaf as he ordered for Baluchi peolple. lolz

warm regards

Umar

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:26 PM, khalid siddiq <khalid.siddiq@gmail.com> wrote:)

I am sorry but you have supported my argument indirectly by admitting that it is an unusual condition and needs to address differently

I would have agreed with your proposal but the past experience does not support this strategy

Just remove the political patronage offered to these criminals ,yes and that patronage is only given on ethenic basis ,and then it would become a simple matter of law and order which our LEAs can handle easily

Khalid Gandhi

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Riaz Jafri
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:05 PM
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Subject: Re: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Under the same law that these terrorists are using their weapons to kill the innocent citizens. This total lawlessness is to be tackled on the 'war' footing, And in war it doesn't matter whether you kill the 'enemy' with your weapon or with the one captured from him. The aim is to kill him, by whatever means and weapon. The order to kill such 'defaulters' would be given before hand by the legal authority. Hence, it would be just in order to kill such terrorists who do not surrender their weapons.

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

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From: khalid siddiq

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:43 PM

Subject: RE: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

I most respectfully beg to ask by which "LAW" point no 2 (killing by same weapon) could be implemented

If we would continue to look for such measures forget peace in Karachi or elsewhere with same situations

Khalid Gandhi

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Riaz Jafri
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Join Pakistan
Subject: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Dear Join Pakistan

LETTER TO EDITOR

August 20^th, 2011

Karachiunder Army

A lot is being said and written for and against calling the army for restoring law and order in Karachi. I am for it. To my mind de-weaponisation of Karachi is the only answer to stop this wanton killing. No weapons no killing. There is such a huge number of weapons there that it will not be an easy task to get them all back. I would, therefore, suggest the following sequence of action for the army to collect the weapons:

Impose curfew in the suspected/dangerous areas, completely sealing them off from the rest of the city by shooting at sight to restrict the movement and taking away/shifting of the weapons to other localities. Strict vigilance be kept that no weapons are sneaked away to other localities during the 'relaxation' time of the curfew.
Allow three days for all to deposit the weapons in the nearest Police Station with proper record of the surrendered weapons maintained under the supervision of army officers. Police cannot be trusted with this responsibility for obvious reasons. Extensive publicity by all media radio, TV, newspapers, posters and dropping of leaflets, loud speakers etc. be given that no harm will come to those who surrender the licensed or unlicensed weapons but any one found with a weapon after three days will be killed with the same weapon.

Not all will deposit their weapons. I bet.

After three days house to house search under strict curfew be carried out. There are bound to be a quite a few culprits hiding weapons. Take three or four of them and shoot them with their own weapons within the seeing and hearing of others. Thereafter, publicise the shooting widely with all means of publicity. Human Rightists, please hold your horses.

Give them another period of three 'grace' days to surrender their weapons once again, making it quite clear to them that this shall be the FINAL warning and ALL those failing to deposit the weapons hereafter SHALL meet the same fate.

ALL weapons will be surrendered. Again I bet it

The entire Karachi will be clean of weapons in a matter of week or so. Now, great care must be taken that no new weapons find their way into Karachi again. There are only a few and known 'in roads' and 'passages' for the smuggling in of such weapons and the police and others know them. The respective Police in charge of the area must be MOST severely and mercilessly dealt with if any firing takes place in his area of responsibility.

Recall the army back to barracks IMMEDIATELY on completion of their task.

Give me the force and free hand, I volunteer to undertake this task. And, if I fail, I should be guillotined in the city square.

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
30 Westridge 1
Rawalpindi 46000
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A bowling alley in Clearwater , Florida , Bowl-O-Bama, is doing record business despite a bad economy.

The alley also reports a record number of 300 games. Since opening in November 2010, 963 patrons have bowled a perfect game, including strikes in the warm-up frames.

This alley also has the highest bowling league average in the country, with a 237.... And that's the senior league.

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Re: JP Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Dear Col. Sahib,

Salam, I am with you 100% on this. I believe in Hard punishment. But my question to you is what makes you think that High Class or rich people will do the same thing. Their is no doubt that common Men will be the first one to surrender their weapons and it will be the Army who will go door to door in search for the weapons. Are they going to search High Class too? Second question to you is what will Happen to those who are giving orders for this Terrorism from outside? For me the root of the cause is their and That has to go too.

Thanks

Saad Iqbal

Lorton, Va

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Riaz Jafri <jafri@rifiela.com> wrote:

Dear Join Pakistan

LETTER TO EDITOR

August 20^th, 2011

Karachiunder Army

A lot is being said and written for and against calling the army for restoring law and order in Karachi. I am for it. To my mind de-weaponisation of Karachi is the only answer to stop this wanton killing. No weapons no killing. There is such a huge number of weapons there that it will not be an easy task to get them all back. I would, therefore, suggest the following sequence of action for the army to collect the weapons:

Impose curfew in the suspected/dangerous areas, completely sealing them off from the rest of the city by shooting at sight to restrict the movement and taking away/shifting of the weapons to other localities. Strict vigilance be kept that no weapons are sneaked away to other localities during the 'relaxation' time of the curfew.

Allow three days for all to deposit the weapons in the nearest Police Station with proper record of the surrendered weapons maintained under the supervision of army officers. Police cannot be trusted with this responsibility for obvious reasons. Extensive publicity by all media radio, TV, newspapers, posters and dropping of leaflets, loud speakers etc. be given that no harm will come to those who surrender the licensed or unlicensed weapons but any one found with a weapon after three days will be killed with the same weapon.

Not all will deposit their weapons. I bet.

After three days house to house search under strict curfew be carried out. There are bound to be a quite a few culprits hiding weapons. Take three or four of them and shoot them with their own weapons within the seeing and hearing of others. Thereafter, publicise the shooting widely with all means of publicity. Human Rightists, please hold your horses.

Give them another period of three 'grace' days to surrender their weapons once again, making it quite clear to them that this shall be the FINAL warning and ALL those failing to deposit the weapons hereafter SHALL meet the same fate.

ALL weapons will be surrendered. Again I bet it

The entire Karachi will be clean of weapons in a matter of week or so. Now, great care must be taken that no new weapons find their way into Karachi again. There are only a few and known 'in roads' and 'passages' for the smuggling in of such weapons and the police and others know them. The respective Police in charge of the area must be MOST severely and mercilessly dealt with if any firing takes place in his area of responsibility.

Recall the army back to barracks IMMEDIATELY on completion of their task.

Give me the force and free hand, I volunteer to undertake this task. And, if I fail, I should be guillotined in the city square.

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
30 Westridge 1
Rawalpindi 46000
Pakistan
Tel: (051) 5158033
E.mail: jafri@rifiela.com

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RE: JP Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Yes I myself object to same “measure” which is the basis of Col sahib ‘s strategy

Khalid Gandhi

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of umar naveed
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:55 PM
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Colonl sabh I strongly agree with your all options except the one you qouted (
Take three or four of them and shoot them with their own weapons within the seeing and hearing of others. Thereafter, publicise the shooting widely with all means of publicity. Human Rightists, please hold your horses

)

, This is not the sloution may be some of them are keeping liscenced or non liscensed for their own protection from the terrorists or others, so by killing u may kill innocents, show a little relaxation in ur stratigy otherwise u will be called Musharaf as he ordered for Baluchi peolple. lolz

warm regards

Umar

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:26 PM, khalid siddiq <khalid.siddiq@gmail.com> wrote:)

I am sorry but you have supported my argument indirectly by admitting that it is an unusual condition and needs to address differently
I would have agreed with your proposal but the past experience does not support this strategy
Just remove the political patronage offered to these criminals ,yes and that patronage is only given on ethenic basis ,and then it would become a simple matter of law and order which our LEAs can handle easily
Khalid Gandhi

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Riaz Jafri
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:05 PM
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Under the same law that these terrorists are using their weapons to kill the innocent citizens. This total lawlessness is to be tackled on the 'war' footing, And in war it doesn't matter whether you kill the 'enemy' with your weapon or with the one captured from him. The aim is to kill him, by whatever means and weapon. The order to kill such 'defaulters' would be given before hand by the legal authority. Hence, it would be just in order to kill such terrorists who do not surrender their weapons.

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

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From: khalid siddiq
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

I most respectfully beg to ask by which “LAW” point no 2 (killing by same weapon) could be implemented
If we would continue to look for such measures forget peace in Karachi or elsewhere with same situations

Khalid Gandhi

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Riaz Jafri
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Join Pakistan
Subject: **JP** Letter to Editor - Karachi Under Army

Dear Join Pakistan

LETTER TO EDITOR
August 20^th, 2011

Karachiunder Army

A lot is being said and written for and against calling the army for restoring law and order in Karachi. I am for it. To my mind de-weaponisation of Karachi is the only answer to stop this wanton killing. No weapons no killing. There is such a huge number of weapons there that it will not be an easy task to get them all back. I would, therefore, suggest the following sequence of action for the army to collect the weapons:

Impose curfew in the suspected/dangerous areas, completely sealing them off from the rest of the city by shooting at sight to restrict the movement and taking away/shifting of the weapons to other localities. Strict vigilance be kept that no weapons are sneaked away to other localities during the 'relaxation' time of the curfew.
Allow three days for all to deposit the weapons in the nearest Police Station with proper record of the surrendered weapons maintained under the supervision of army officers. Police cannot be trusted with this responsibility for obvious reasons. Extensive publicity by all media radio, TV, newspapers, posters and dropping of leaflets, loud speakers etc. be given that no harm will come to those who surrender the licensed or unlicensed weapons but any one found with a weapon after three days will be killed with the same weapon.

Not all will deposit their weapons. I bet.

After three days house to house search under strict curfew be carried out. There are bound to be a quite a few culprits hiding weapons. Take three or four of them and shoot them with their own weapons within the seeing and hearing of others. Thereafter, publicise the shooting widely with all means of publicity. Human Rightists, please hold your horses.

Give them another period of three ‘grace’ days to surrender their weapons once again, making it quite clear to them that this shall be the FINAL warning and ALL those failing to deposit the weapons hereafter SHALL meet the same fate.

ALL weapons will be surrendered. Again I bet it

The entire Karachi will be clean of weapons in a matter of week or so. Now, great care must be taken that no new weapons find their way into Karachi again. There are only a few and known ‘in roads’ and ‘passages’ for the smuggling in of such weapons and the police and others know them. The respective Police in charge of the area must be MOST severely and mercilessly dealt with if any firing takes place in his area of responsibility.

Recall the army back to barracks IMMEDIATELY on completion of their task.

Give me the force and free hand, I volunteer to undertake this task. And, if I fail, I should be guillotined in the city square.

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
30 Westridge 1
Rawalpindi 46000
Pakistan
Tel: (051) 5158033
E.mail: jafri@rifiela.com
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