Thursday, October 13, 2011

Re: WHITE HOUSE PETITION RE SCIENTOLOGY

Instead of legislation and petitions, how about just NOT JOIN
Scientology? Is that an option? I think it is.
Maybe you could spend your energy talking people out of it? Just a
suggestion, might be more helpful in the long run.
Do it yourself instead of having government do everything for you.
Now get out there and save some lives.
Why do people want government to do everything? Have you seen the
results of that? I just don't get it.
If you want something done right, do it yourself and stop whining.
Report it to your local police, take it to court? Gather your
evidence.
Become personally involved instead of signing a piece of paper to hand
over to people who care WAY less than you do about this.
Do anything but depend on the government for the results you want.

Me, I don't care. If you are sold on Scientology, fine, but keep
your eyes open. Part of the blame has to go to the people who joined
too ya know.
They went along with all the "abuse." Or are they helpless victims
too? Don't you teach things like this?


On Oct 11, 7:52 am, Terrilpark <terrilpa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> WHITE HOUSE PETITION RE SCIENTOLOGY
>
> I am an independent or Freezone Scientologist which gives me one more
> reason
> to see action taken as per this petition. 5000 signatures are needed
> by
> the 24th of October. Believe it or not what is posted below is just
> scratching
> the surface of abuse committed by the Church of Scientology.
>
> Please read and if in agreement sign.
>
> thanks
>
> Terril Park
>
> http://tinyurl.com/62eqyyl
>
> EXAMINE THE GOVERNMENT'S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH
> OF SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
>
> WHEREAS, the FBI has 300+ recent complaints of Scientology crimes and
> atrocities - human trafficking, forced abortions and civil rights
> violations, and the IRS has evidence of private inurement violations
> justifying INTERMEDIATE SANCTIONS, and existing evidence on hand meets
> RICO statutes, WE REQUEST that the White House investigate and employ
> a Special Prosecutor to:
>
> EXAMINE why, with such an abundance of RICO evidence of Scientology
> being a corrupt and criminal entity, no law enforcement agency has
> moved forward;
>
> INVESTIGATE undue favor and pressure brought by lawyers for
> Scientology leader David Miscavige to stop the investigations;
>
> EXAMINE why around the world the "church" is investigated as a
> criminal entity while the U.S. Government does nothing?
>
> Created: Sep 24, 2011

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Re: The truth about taxing millionaires

On Oct 10, 10:23 am, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> But the Republitard Party isn't the Party of Reagan anymore is it?
> No it's the Party of smart rich people giving money to other smart
> rich people

I don't see why you would care. It is none of your business. Oh,
unless you just want a cut of their money.
That is what it always comes down to doesn't it? Why not just come
out and say it? You should be happy for rich people. We need them.
You need them. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

> to tell the middleclass that the poor are to blame for all
> the economic problems.

Speaking of blame, you never hear anybody say "if those people would
have made their mortgage payments" as a root cause of the financial
crisis. Well, can you tell me any different? No, that is never
mentioned, certainly not anyone on the left. The "victim mentality"
completely overwhelms the left thinking. All the "people" are
victims. No personal responsibility for anything. When they don't
make promised payments on loans they signed for, they blame the evil
banks! Unbelievable!

> Leo Hindrey on taxation, and how the rich take advantage of the poor
> and middle class...

I'll watch it when I have time. The rich are trying to keep your
grubby hands out of their pockets, I can't blame them.


> Not the ignorant tax plan of Republitards, or Herman "Godfather"
> Cain's 9-9-9 plan, or flat-tax plans for idiots that would shift more
> of the burden towards the poor and middle-class.

Well at least it is "more fair" (apparently you don't like "fair")
What is your definition of fair? Really curious!

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Al Qaeda: The End of a Legend?

Al Qaeda: The End of a Legend?
Wherever there is Counterinsurgency, there are "Al Qaeda Affiliated
Organizations"

by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, October 11, 2011
- 2011-10-03
Throughout the post 9/11 era, Al Qaeda and the "threat of Islamic
terrorism" have played a central role in defining Washington's
diplomatic agenda, shaping its rhetoric at World summits as well as
establishing the contours of US military doctrine.
The pre-emptive "defensive war" doctrine against Al Qaeda and its
alleged "State Sponsors" constitutes the foundation of America's post
9/11 National Security Strategy (NSS), first formulated in early
2002.
In the wake of 9/11, the Al Qaeda Legend became part of the mainstay
of US foreign policy. Contained in the 2002 NSS is the notion of a
"global jihadist network of terrorists" and "state sponsors of
terrorism". The response of the US administration is to launch "a war
of global reach", a "Global War on Terrorism" (GWOT):

"The war against terrorists of global reach is a global
enterprise of uncertain duration. …America will act against such
emerging threats before they are fully formed.
…Rogue states and terrorists do not seek to attack us using
conventional means. They know such attacks would fail. Instead, they
rely on acts of terror and, potentially, the use of weapons of mass
destruction (…)
The targets of these attacks are our military forces and our
civilian population, in direct violation of one of the principal norms
of the law of warfare. As was demonstrated by the losses on September
11, 2001, mass civilian casualties is the specific objective of
terrorists and these losses would be exponentially more severe if
terrorists acquired and used weapons of mass destruction.
The United States has long maintained the option of preemptive
actions to counter a sufficient threat to our national security. The
greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction— and the more
compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend
ourselves, (…). To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our
adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act
preemptively." (National Security Strategy, White House, 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html

The underlying objective of the 2002 NSS was to present "pre-emptive
military action" --meaning war as an act of "self-defense" against two
categories of enemies, "Rogue States" and "Islamic terrorists", both
of which were said to possess "Weapons of Mass Destruction". The
"Rogue States" are also defined as "State sponsors" of terrorism.
The 2002 NSS as well as subsequent National Security documents
identified a list of "Axis of Evil" countries which had been singled
out for preemptive military intervention under the "Global War on
Terrorism". These included Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Syria, Libya, North
Korea.
While former enemies Russia and China of the Cold War era were not
officially designated as part of the "Axis of Evil", they were,
nonetheless, included (in several military documents) in the list of
targetted countries for military intervention.
From the outset in 2001, a vast Public Relations campaign was launched
by the Pentagon with a view to shaping and manipulating World public
opinion. The PR stunt consisted in leaking reports on links or
relations between Al Qaeda and its alleged State sponsors (e.g. How
Saddam was supporting bin Laden, etc). The objective was to justify
preemptive military actions against countries which were "harboring
the terrorists".
There was no truth or rationale in these statements emanating from
higher authority. "Going after Bin Laden" became part of an unbending
consensus. Fear and insecurity prevailed over common sense. What we
are dealing with is an outright and blind acceptance of the structures
of power and political authority. In the wake of 9/11
In the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Afghanistan was
accused of harboring Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, the alleged
mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.
Afghanistan was identified as a "state sponsor of terror". The 9/11
attacks were categorized as an act of war, an attack on America by a
foreign power. The right to self-defense was put forth.
The US-NATO aggressor was portrayed as the victim.
On September 12, less than 24 hours after the attacks, NATO invoked
for the first time in its history "Article 5 of the Washington Treaty
- its collective defence clause" declaring the 9/11 attacks on the
World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon "to be an attack against all
NATO members."
There was foreknowledge of 9/11. Military analysts will confirm that
the war on Afghanistan launched on October 7, 2001, was planned well
in advance of 9/11.
Public opinion was led to believe that war preparations got underway
on September 12th on the spare of the moment, that it was the result
of indignation and outrage.
Homeland Security
"The Homeland" emerged as a political concept in the wake of 9/11
leading to the establishment of the US Department of Homeland
Security.
The doctrine of pre-emptive war and "defense of the Homeland" are
intimately related. Al Qaeda, the alleged perpetrator of the 9/11
attacks threatens "the American Homeland" with the support of the
State sponsors of terrorism.
The late Osama bin Laden was defined as the Bogeyman, the "Number One
enemy of America" who threatened the Homeland.
The objective was to sustain the illusion that "America is under
attack" by Al Qaeda. Washington has a self-proclaimed holy mandate to
extirpate Islamic fundamentalism and "spread democracy" throughout the
world.

The logic of the "outside enemy" and the evildoer, allegedly
responsible for American civilian deaths, prevails over common sense.
In the inner consciousness of Americans, the attacks of September 11,
2001 justify acts of war and conquest, directed against the State
sponsors of terrorism, including Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.

In this regard, the post 9/11 "American Inquisition" as an ideological
construct, is, in many regards, similar to the inquisitorial social
order prevailing in France and Spain during the Middle Ages. The
inquisition, which started in France in the 12th century, was used as
a justification for conquest and military intervention.
The Global War on Terrorism (GWOT)
Terrorist acts are said to be conducted by non State jihadist
organizations, which allegedly are supported and abetted by the
governments of several Muslim countries, described as the "State
Sponsors" of terror. Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan and
Saudi Arabia were accused by Washington of supporting Al Qaeda.
9/11 remains the pretext and justification for waging a war without
borders. In the wake of the NATO sponsored "Liberation" of Libya
(August 2011), Syria and Iran, both identified in US military doctrine
as State Sponsors of Terror, constitute the next phase of the US-NATO
military roadmap.
Al Qaeda portrayed as a Sunni fundamentalist network is increasingly
upheld as a global jihadists organization, a base, a decentralized
network comprised of affiliated national and regional organizations.
The "Global War on Terrorism" is established with a view to defending
the American Homeland as well as the "Western Way of Life". It
requires "going after" the terrorists, using advanced weapons systems
including nuclear warheads. It upholds a pre-emptive religious-like
crusade against evil, which serves to obscure the real objectives of
military action.
The American people's acceptance of this crusade against evil is not
based on any rational understanding or analysis of the facts. The lies
underlying 9/11 are known and documented. The evidence amply confirms
that Al Qaeda was established with the support of the CIA in liaison
with Pakistan's Military Intelligence, the Inter-Services Intelligence
(ISI).

From the Soviet-Afghan war to the present, Al Qaeda and its affiliate
organizations constitute US sponsored "intelligence assets" used in
the implementation of CIA covert operations.
America's inquisition is used to extend America's sphere of influence
and justify military intervention, as part of an international
campaign against "Islamic terrorists". Its ultimate objective, which
is never mentioned in press reports, is territorial conquest and
control over strategic resources.
Ten Years Later: Continuity of the 9/11- Al Qaeda Presidential
Discourse
The GWOT dogma was initially enunciated and formulated by Washington's
neoconservative think tanks. It was embodied into US military
doctrine. It remains part of a bipartisan consensus. From George W.
Bush to Barack Obama it has become a central theme in presidential
speeches and White House press conferences:

[George W. Bush, Septmeber 2001] "We've been warned there are
evil people in this world. We've been warned so vividly. ... And we'll
be alert. Your government is alert. The governors and mayors are alert
that evil folks still lurk out there. As I said yesterday, people have
declared war on America and they have made a terrible mistake. ... My
administration has a job to do and we're going to do it. We will rid
the world of the evil-doers," (George W. Bush, CNN, September 16,
2001, emphasis added)
[Barack obama, September 2011] "Make no mistake, they will keep
trying to hit us again, but as we are showing again this weekend we
remain vigilant. We are doing everything in our power to protect our
people... They [the terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq] want to draw
us into endless wars, sapping our strength and confidence as a nation.
But even as we put relentless pressure on al-Qaeda we are ending the
war in Iraq and beginning to bring our troops home from Afghanistan.
After a hard decade of war it is time for nation building here at
home," (Barack Obama, September 2011, Free Internet Press :: President
Obama: Al-Qaeda Threat Still Remains :: Uncensored News For Real
People, September 11, 2001)

The objective of the "Global War on Terrorism" launched in September
2001 was to galvanize public support for a Worldwide campaign against
heresy. For the last ten years, an understanding of fundamental social
and political events is replaced by a World of sheer fantasy, where
"evil folks" are lurking.
Meanwhile, in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Al Qaeda has established
numerous affiliate organizations throughout the Muslim world.
Al Qaeda has mushroomed. Wherever the CIA is conducting
counterinsurgency operations, there are Al Qaeda affiliated
organizations including:

Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI),
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP),
Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM),
The Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG),
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, (which comprises
Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, and Islamic Jihad of Yemen),
Al-Shabaab (Mujahideen Youth Movement) in Somalia,
Egyptian Islamic Jihad,
East Turkestan Islamic Movement in Xinjiang, China,
etc.

Wherever Al Qaeda has set up shop, the US has waged counterinsurgency
operations under the banner of the "Global War on Terrorism". There
are indications that many of these Al Qaeda affiliates were set up
with the support of the CIA, using Pakistan's Inter Services
Intelligence (ISI) as a go-between.
Wherever Al Qaeda is present, where "bad guys are lurking", America
has an obligation to intervene on behalf of "the international
community". The terrorist threat is used as a pretext to interfere in
the internal affairs of sovereign countries, including the sending in
of special forces and the conduct of drone attacks, without an actual
declaration of war. These types of operations are described in the
Project of New American Century (PNAC) as constabulary functions.
In turn, large scale military campaigns have been waged in several
countries as part of the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT). The wars on
Afghanistan and Iraq were conducted under the banner of the Global War
on Terrorism. Both the Afghan and Iraqi governments were identified as
"state sponsors of terrorism".
The Islamic Republic of Iran is also said to support Al Qaeda. The
Administration's pre-emptive war doctrine hinges upon this alleged
relationship between non state terrorist organizations and their
terrorist State sponsors. It is understood, pari passu, that the state
sponsors of terrorism, whoever they be, are also responsible for the
9/11 attacks, namely for having supported and abetted Al Qaeda.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26908
www.realindianews.blogspot.com

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RE: **JP** Geo News.

 

 

 

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

No body will give him respect in Pakistan. He should be given immediate  authority to work on this issue for Pakistan. Sure short someone from outisde will hire him.   Shame shame for us will be there.

 

We salam this guy.

 

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سبحان الله والحمد لله ولا اله الا الله والله اكبر ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله العلي العظيم

 

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Waqar Shafi
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:31 PM
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Subject: **JP** Geo News.

 



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Re: The truth about taxing millionaires

Typical Moonbat,  Terri has no clue what the "9-9-9" plan is either, so (s)he resorts to the typical moonbattery of slinging out vile spew, name calling and in general, attacking the messenger. 
 
No substance....
 
No facts......
 
Not even mere speculation.
 
Just Moonbattery.
 
Another deer, caught in the headlights when confronted with fact, truth and empirical data.
 


 
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Terry Lack <tlack@hotmail.com> wrote:



Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:17:32 -0400
Subject: Re: The truth about taxing millionaires
From: keithintampa@gmail.com
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com


(And as a side note, I haven't endorsed Mr. Cain's plan.....I see a potential flaw in it, but again, you don't even know what the plan states, and are basing your comments on hyperbole and misinformation.  That's "Moonbattery" Studio!)


 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Again, Studio,  what you wrote was incorrect. 
 
There is no point in having a discussion when you don't even know what the "9-9-9" plan even is.   I have read a number of economists' reports, that also didn't know what the plan stated, and have flat out misrepresented what Mr. Cain is proposing.  One that comes to mind is some idiot from the Atlantic Monthly. 

lol... yeah right-tard.

Seems you're one of a handful of people in the world you won't represent his plan!
And we all know if there's one thing you know and work at, it's the economy!

Even ALL the other Republitards running dismiss it as non-sense.
So now everyone here can know where you stand... with ignorance.

When anyone wants to know how stupid someone can get?
I'll just tell them to ask you!


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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:17:32 -0400
Subject: Re: The truth about taxing millionaires
From: keithintampa@gmail.com
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com

(And as a side note, I haven't endorsed Mr. Cain's plan.....I see a potential flaw in it, but again, you don't even know what the plan states, and are basing your comments on hyperbole and misinformation.  That's "Moonbattery" Studio!)


 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Again, Studio,  what you wrote was incorrect. 
 
There is no point in having a discussion when you don't even know what the "9-9-9" plan even is.   I have read a number of economists' reports, that also didn't know what the plan stated, and have flat out misrepresented what Mr. Cain is proposing.  One that comes to mind is some idiot from the Atlantic Monthly. 

lol... yeah right-tard.

Seems you're one of a handful of people in the world you won't represent his plan!
And we all know if there's one thing you know and work at, it's the economy!

Even ALL the other Republitards running dismiss it as non-sense.
So now everyone here can know where you stand... with ignorance.

When anyone wants to know how stupid someone can get?
I'll just tell them to ask you!


A Real Jobs Bill


A Real Jobs Bill
by Richard Schwartzmann, October 11, 2011

There is a jobs bill being bandied about in the U.S. Senate. As with most government-based plans, it's political -- with warm, fuzzy rhetoric that's designed more to garner votes at the polls than to accomplish anything truly productive.

The rhetoric, as is so often the case, is based on class warfare. Let's soak the rich, taxing them to create jobs.

This latest bill calls for a cut in payroll taxes and provides money for teachers, firefighters, the unemployed, and infrastructure. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV, wants to add on a 5.6 percent tax on income above $1 million to fund President Barack Obama's $447 billion jobs package, knowing full well that Senate Republicans will vote that down.

There can be no denial that Reid's idea is based on a desire to buy votes for Democrats in the 2012 election, because they will be able to say that it was the obstructionist Republicans who scuttled the bill.

According to an article in the Winston-Salem Journal,
Democrats are banking on Republicans to oppose both the higher taxes on one-million dollar earners and the president's call for new spending aimed at reducing joblessness, leaving them open to a charge of protecting the wealthy at the expense of the unemployed.
As Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said in that article, Democrats want the change in the bill, not to make it more effective or to generate bipartisan support: "No, they want to overhaul the bill to sharpen its political edge."

As if Republicans don't do the same thing when it works to their advantage.

But the real problem is not a matter of Democrats versus Republicans. The issue is government involvement in the job market in the first place. Try as it might, government can't create productive, ongoing jobs, not even if the intentions are good, and no matter how much money it throws at the problem.

Government can't create wealth or productive jobs any more than it can regulate a failing economy back to health. Previous stimulus packages have failed, and this will too.

Even big-government types know this to be so. They just rarely admit it. Consider the following:

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before, and it does not work." Those were the words of Henry Morgenthau, secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Morgenthau was one of the brains behind FDR's New Deal.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot," Morgenthau said to Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee in 1939.

The same holds true today: we have more spending, more debt, fewer jobs and an economy that continues to stagnate.

A real jobs stimulus, one that can lead to true prosperity and generate real productivity and wealth can only be realized when government gets out of the way and doesn't try to decide what businesses or industries to help.

Consider what people such as Steve Jobs and Bill Gates did without government help.

Jobs (along with Steve Wozniak) started Apple Computers, and Gates started Microsoft. Let's throw in Nolan Bushnell, who started Atari after creating the computer game that started it all, Pong.

Computers have changed the way people think, work, and play. Those who have invented, innovated, and improved computing have made the rest of us more productive.

A home computer is a passport to a home business. It can be a digital darkroom, a printing press, and a motion-picture studio. Computers enable us to engage in all sorts of work, productive and pleasurable. We are limited only by our own imaginations and intentions.

It was the free market with its voluntary associations that gave us the home computer, desktops and laptops, the iPhone, the iPod, the iPad, and all the competing models and brands.

The four men mentioned four paragraphs ago made that all possible without the help of any government stimulus. But they did not do so alone. There were others who voluntarily provided investment funds so people like Jobs and Wozniak could build computers in a real plant, not just in Jobs' parents' garage.

Without such people, the rest of us would likely still be using a snail-paced 300-baud modem to tie into some government mainframe on a timeshare basis ­ if that.

Jobs, Gates, and the others also created jobs, lots of jobs for thousands of people; and their investors made money too, which led to more investment, more businesses, and more jobs.

A market freed from arbitrary government restrictions and stimuli ­ which choke creativity, productivity, and voluntary investment ­ is the greatest jobs bill going.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com1110j.asp

Occupy Wall Street Journal Is Funded By George Soros, Tides Soap, Code Pink, and Michael Moore.



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Occupy Wall Street Journal Is Funded By George Soros, Tides Soap, Code Pink, and Michael Moore.

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Exposed: Written By An Anarchist Anti Capitalism Group 'Occupy Wall Street Journal' Full Color Free Newspaper is Funded By George Soros', The Tides Foundation, Code Pink, and Michael Moore Tancredo Radio;

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We the People

"Many people like to prattle on about how "we" are the government, but relish turning in their neighbor for building a deck – or any imaginary crime – without a permit. It isn't the deck that they object to, it's that the neighbor had the audacity to proceed without government approval."

We the People
by Chris Sullivan

One of the greatest myths – if not the greatest – that Americans are taught is that the government expresses the will of the people. Is this really the case or is it a mechanism of psychological control?

I think it is obvious to anyone who drives a car that the vast majority of people think speed limits are too low, particularly on limited access highways. It appears that at least 90% of the people are speeding – at least in Georgia – but the speed limits remain artificially low. A couple of years ago some college students drove around I-285 all abreast at the speed limit (55 MPH) causing a huge traffic jam and nearly causing multiple wrecks. Instead of raising the speed limit in response to speeding by virtually everybody, the state recently passed a "Super Speeder" law that tacks on something like 200 extra dollars to the fine for anybody exceeding 74 MPH on two lanes or 84 MPH anywhere. If the government reflected the people's will, the speed limits would all be raised.

Drugs are another example of the government thwarting the will of a large proportion of the population. Ron Paul has been criticized for wanting to "legalize" drugs when actually all he has advocated is obeying the constitution and abolishing federal laws against drug prohibition in various forms. States can make any laws they please, but the federal government has no enumerated power to make such laws. Obviously there is a huge demand for recreational drugs, but in this instance the will of the people doesn't matter.

What about low-flow shower heads and toilets? Was there a popular clamor to outlaw the old (better) higher flow varieties? I never heard a single person say, "Gee, I sure wish they would reduce the flow of these shower heads." Once again the will of the controllers is imposed on "The People."

The same thing applies to light bulbs. If the people preferred fluorescent bulbs to incandescent they would buy them and there would be no need to force them on the people.

Was there a groundswell of opposition anywhere to unpasteurized milk? Your omniscient Uncle Sam in DC thinks it's naughty for his subjects to have it and will send out hordes of armed stooges to prevent you from getting it and hurting yourself.

Everywhere there are those in government who think they know best. There are movements in various places to outlaw too much salt, fat or sugar in foods regardless of what the citizens want. Many places outlaw smoking in restaurants whether the proprietor thinks it desirable or not.

There was overwhelming opposition to Bush's Billionaire Bailout, but the will of the pols trumped the will of the people. The same was true – and still is – about Obamacare, but the obedient servants of Mammon imposed it against the people's will.

Was there any popular movement to outlaw gold ownership in 1933? Was there popular support for Mr. Lincoln's draft? The New York Times of August 25, 1864 had this to say about the draft:

"To the alarmist[sic] who are concerned lest the draft cannot be enforced without resistance and insurrection, his reply is that, if it has come to this, the quicker the Government proves its power to maintain its laws, the better....It is not a question whether the draft is an evil. No sane man denies it. The only question is, whether it is or is not a less evil than national ruin, which can be prevented by it alone."

It appears from this editorial that the draft might not have been pushed through by the people.

Most states – maybe all – have laws requiring the wearing of seat belts even though there was no demand for such laws. They've even come up with really clever slogans such as "Click It Or Ticket" to remind you to fasten your seat belt.

The nature of the law makes no difference. Regardless of how stupid, evil, onerous or intrusive the edict, a sufficient number of people can be found to enforce it. If it were decreed that no one shall breathe through his left nostril and a visible plug shall be worn in it, there would be no trouble finding police to enforce the new "law."

Many people like to prattle on about how "we" are the government, but relish turning in their neighbor for building a deck – or any imaginary crime – without a permit. It isn't the deck that they object to, it's that the neighbor had the audacity to proceed without government approval.

Convincing the populace that they are the government is somewhat analogous to a voluntary fast vis a vis an imposed fast or any voluntary mortification. If you decide to fast for health or spiritual or any other reason it is much different from being told by someone else that you may not eat, talk, read or watch TV. Anything done voluntarily is more bearable than having it imposed. This is the genius of convincing people that "we did it to ourselves."

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CHART OF THE DAY: Who’s Getting The Most Face Time At The GOP Debates?



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CHART OF THE DAY: Who's Getting The Most Face Time At The GOP Debates?

CHART OF THE DAY: Who’s Getting The Most Face Time At The  
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It seems like every week we get a new Republican presidential primary debate (and it seems that way because it's basically true.)

That means we're seeing a lot of the candidates in primetime, even the ones who don't really have a shot at winning the nomination. Sometimes it seems like we spend most of the time watching the also-rans talk, while the actual frontrunners are pushed to the side.

Turns out that's not really the case.

Despite all the time spent letting, say, Rick Santorum take his shots at Michele Bachmann, the man dominating the screen during the debates is none other than frontrunner Mitt Romney.

That's according to a study by the good people at Smart Politics from the University of Minnesota. Here's their breakdown of who got the most face time at the past three debates:
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TPM took these numbers and displayed them visually below:
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Koch Ties to Herman Cain 9-9-9 Tax Plan


Wednesday, October 12, 2011
Koch Ties to Herman Cain 9-9-9 Tax Plan
Posted by Robert Wenzel at 11:07 AM

Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, which, during the debate last night, Michelle Bachmann correctly pointed out creates a new tax pipeline and opens up the possibility of a value added tax, has an intriguing tie to the Koch brothers.

Cain attended the Koch conference held earlier this year in Rancho Mirage and he has been a speaker at the Koch-funded rightonline.

But, here's the real kicker. During last night's debate, when asked, Cain divulged only one name that helped him develop his 9-9-9 plan, Rich Lowrie.

It turns out, according to LaTi, that from 2005 through 2008, Lowrie served on the board of advisors of Americans for Prosperity, a nonprofit advocacy group heavily funded by Charles and David Koch.

Pressed to name his other advisors, Cain again referred to Lowrie.

"He's been my lead economist on helping to develop this," Cain said.

What's Lowrie's background outside of his Koch connections?

He holds a bachelor's degree in accountancy from Case Western Reserve University and now leads a wealth management group of Wells Fargo Advisors in Cleveland, Ohio.

So, now, how do you think Cain ran into Lowrie?

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/10/koch-ties-to-herman-cain-9-9-9-tax-plan.html

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How about an Islamic ‘Life of Brian?’

What a hoot that movie would be.

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"No way," says Monty Python's Terry Jones. (Not if I want to keep my head, that is). Comedian Terry Jones has admitted that he and his Monty Python colleagues would be 'frightened' and 'think twice' before poking fun at Muslims in today's Islamo-pandering, politically correct climate. UK SUN  'Life of Brian,' the comedy about a [...]

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More Fraud From The People Who Brought Us Obama

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More Fraud From The People Who Brought Us Obama

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Suspicious petitions got a stamped signature

Former Gov. Kernan, 12 others come forward to say they didn't sign

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By ERIN BLASKO South Bend Tribune Staff Writer
5:06 p.m.
EDT, October 12, 2011

SOUTH BEND - Suspected fake petition pages to place Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the ballot during the 2008 Indiana primary passed through the county voter registration office on days when the Republican head of the office was absent, The Tribune has learned.

The pages in question bear the stamped signature of Republican Linda Silcott, indicating Silcott was not in the office at the time to sign the documents by hand. By comparison, most of the other, non-suspicious pages examined by The Tribune contain Silcott's written signature.

// Meanwhile, 13 more St. Joseph County residents whose signatures appear on the petitions, including former South Bend mayor and Indiana governor Joe Kernan, have come forward to say they did not sign the documents, and the Indiana Republican Party has called for a federal investigation into the matter."How deep does this problem go?" state GOP Chair Eric Holcomb asked. "Is it isolated to St. Joseph County or was it a broader, coordinated effort across the state? ... Who forged the signatures and why?"

Typically, petition pages in St. Joseph County are signed by hand by both the Republican and Democratic members of the Board of Voter Registration.

In early 2008, however, Silcott missed a number of days of work because of the death of her husband. Consequently, her first deputy, Mary Carrol Ringler, often stamped Silcott's signature on the pages.

Each of the suspected fake petition pages bears Silcott's stamped signature, indicating the documents passed through the office on days when she was off.

Though Ringler was the only person permitted to use the stamp, she kept it in an unlocked desk drawer, Silcott said.

In addition, Ringler only began working in voter registration on Jan. 22, 2008. The suspicious petition pages are dated Jan. 28 and 29 and Feb. 4 and 5, within the first two weeks of her arrival.

Ringler told The Tribune Tuesday she could not recall how often she used the stamp during the 2008 primary. "Honestly, I don't know," she said. "I know I didn't do a lot petitions that year because I was brand new." She said she mainly uses it on purchase orders now.

Pam Brunette's written signature also appears on the backs of the suspicious petition pages. She is the Democratic member of the Board of Voter Registration.

Brunette did not respond Tuesday to a call seeking comment about the stamped pages. She said last week that voter registration workers "are not handwriting experts, so our job is basically making sure the papers are complete."

Parties respond As part of a joint investigation, The Tribune and Howey Politics Indiana reported Sunday that dozens, if not hundreds, of signatures on petitions to place Obama and Clinton on the Indiana primary ballot in 2008 were faked in St. Joseph County.

Before that story was published, The Tribune spoke with more than 30 people whose names appeared on the petitions. All but one confirmed not signing the documents. In addition, a forensic document analyst identified a number of suspicious pages that appeared to have been filled out by a single person.

Since then, Kernan, now owner of the Silver Hawks, and 12 others have also told The Tribune they did not sign the documents.

"No, not at all," Kernan said when asked if the signature next to his name on the Obama petition looked like his own. "Nor does the printing look like mine."

In addition, Holcomb, the state Republican Party chair, has called on the Department of Justice to investigate the matter.

"The integrity of every election is of the utmost importance," Holcomb said in a news release. "This weekend's disturbing news that perhaps hundreds of ballot access petition signatures submitted by the campaigns of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are fraudulent raises real questions about the integrity of our process and whether or not those individuals should have been on the primary ballot in the first place."

In response to the ongoing joint investigation by The Tribune and Howey Politics, county Prosecutor Michael Dvorak has launched his own investigation into the faked signatures.

That said, identifying the person or persons responsible for the fakery is a difficult task. Dozens, if not hundreds, of volunteers carried petitions on behalf of now Secretary of State Clinton and President Obama in the county in 2008, both independently and as part of each candidate's official campaign.

In addition, receipts that would have identified the people involved in gathering signatures on behalf of the two candidates no longer exist. Voter Registration is required to keep records for only 24 months.

The Office of the Secretary of State did not respond Tuesday to a request for comment on this story. Earlier requests by phone and e-mail also went unanswered.

The Obama campaign, meanwhile, referred the matter to the Indiana Democratic Party, which issued this statement Tuesday:

"The 2008 presidential petitions ... were approved and certified as valid by the Democratic and Republican members of the local ... Office of Voter Registration. But even an isolated instance of misconduct ... should be thoroughly investigated, and we support such an inquiry."

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