Thursday, October 21, 2010

Mike "the liberal" has a message board

be neighborly... go say "Howdy"....
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Re: "Learn To Speak Tea Bag"

Cartoon did not show on the site, for me.....Censored? or just me....

On Oct 21, 2:24 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.markfiore.com/mark-fiore-blog/learn-to-speak-teabag-tea-pa...

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Who Wrote the NAACP's "Tea Party is Racist" Report?




Who Wrote the NAACP's "Tea Party is Racist" Report?

In typical fashion, the NAACP turned to individuals who have a great love for all things communist, socialist and Marxist. In other words, they are identical to those who attended the NAACP's One Nation Rally.

TheBlaze.com reports:

Two weeks before a potentially game-changing midterm election, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) has given its endorsement to a report labeling the tea party as a self-preserving movement of racist bigots. It's no wonder given the fact that NAACP's political agenda conflicts with the vast majority of the tea party platform of smaller government and reduced spending.

With Wednesday's release of the report, however, the news media is once again dropping the ball, not only by not pointing out the NAACP's obvious conflict of interest with the tea party movement, but in failing to do their due diligence in reporting on where the report comes from and why it was written.

The Washington Post reports that the NAACP-endorsed "Tea Party Nationalism" was "put together" by the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, but doesn't report further on who the IREHR is. Politico reports that the NAACP "commissioned Leonard Zeskind and Devin Burghart" to write the study, but makes no mention of who Zeskind or Burghart are other than noting their association with the Institute.

The IREHR is a group with "long-held dreams for social and economic justice," who condemn the "so-called Christian right, paleo-conservatism, and other far-right movements" for their "symbiotic relationship[s] with nativism and white nationalism."

Call me crazy, but I think this group may have had a specific agenda in mind before they set out to paint the tea party movement as… uh… nativists and… gee, white nationalists

But who are Zeskind and Burghart, the two authors the NAACP "commissioned" to write the report? The New York Times reports that Zeskind, a lifetime member of the NAACP, has "written extensively on white nationalism," a serious understatement. Zeskind's career has revolved around an obsession of the "abyss of mayhem and murder" America faces at the hands of "white nationalists." He has worked to establish himself as an "expert on extremist groups" various media outlets routinely rely on for comment, but few have bothered to expose his own extremist past.

Laird Wilcox, a civil rights activists who is known for examining extremists on the right and left ends of the political spectrum, has previously had Zeskind on his radar. Like many notable modern liberals, Zeskind reportedly got his start working with the Sojourner Truth Organization (STO) where his primary role was motivating the working classes "to make a revolution." The STO's role model: Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, whose "iron discipline" the STO idolized.

In a 1978 article he wrote for the group's journal, Urgent Tasks, named after V.I. Lenin. Zeskind wrote about "Workplace Struggles in Kansas City" and discussed the value of a grassroots "school of communism" that would "destroy the marketplace, not sell at it." In a 1980 article for the same publication, Zeskind denounced the American military "as a tool of U.S. Imperialism."

A 1981 City Magazine profile of Zeskind, author Bruce Rodgers described him as elusive and "near hysterical" and paranoid. Further, the STO was described as a group which surfaced "on occasion to distract and intimidate non-violent groups working for social change."

According to reports, Zeskind spent the 1980s as a member of one pro-Stalinist group who worked to provoke the Ku Klux Klan and stir up racial tensions between blacks and whites. In 1986, this National Anti-Klan Network changed its name to a more benevolent-sounding Center for Democratic Renewal. In 1989, with Soviet communism on the way out, Zeskind told the Jewish Chronicle that he was "never the kind of Marxist-Leninist that they think of" and claimed his Stalinist ideology was no longer a "defining feature of my politics."

At the same time, the CDR and other leftist groups were busy re-branding themselves as well. According to Wilcox, rather than present socialism or Marxism-Leninism as their goal at the time, they chose to change tactics and "piggy-back it onto anti-racism which is far more popular."

At the same time, Zeskind's co-author, Burghart, expanded his work studying "white nationalism" to include condemning anti-illegal immigration groups like the Minutemen on the country's southern border, claiming the group was not patrolling the border to enforce American immigration laws, but only to prevent non-whites from entering. According to Burghart, the Minutemen represented "Klan-style" border patrol.

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Yet Another Multi-Hundreds-of-Billions-of-Dollars Bailout for Fannie & Freddie Looms On the Horizon




Yet Another Multi-Hundreds-of-Billions-of-Dollars Bailout for Fannie & Freddie Looms On the Horizon

doctorbulldog | 21 October, 2010 at 11:43 am | Categories: Economics, Economy, Money, Obama Sucks, politics | URL: http://wp.me/p1NPg-6BU

Here's a radical idea for Our Dark Overlords; quit wasting our hard-earned money and just let Fannie and Freddie wallow in their own filth.  Sure, the markets will temporarily crash and all, but they'll soon recover and be stronger for it:

Fannie, Freddie bailout could double, regulator says
Zachary A. Goldfarb - Washington Post
Thursday, October 21, 2010

The federal bailout for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could double in size during the next three years, according to projections from the companies' federal regulator.

Fannie and Freddie, the federally controlled mortgage finance giants, probably will need at least another $73 billion and perhaps as much as $215 billion from taxpayers in the next three years to meet their financial obligations, the Federal Housing Finance Agency said, but much of that money would automatically be returned to the government.

[...]

To date, the Treasury has injected $148 billion into Fannie and Freddie. Under the worst-case scenario, in which the country enters a second recession, the total infusion would be $363 billion in three years. Under this scenario, if taxpayer dividends weren't being paid, the total outlay would be $259 billion.

Under a more moderate scenario, in which housing prices stay flat and then slowly rise, the total taxpayer bailout would be $238 billion. Excluding dividends, it would be $154 billion.

[...]

Fannie and Freddie were seized by their federal regulator in September 2008 as the crisis in the housing market threatened to topple them. The Bush administration pledged $200 billion to keep them solvent. Early on, the Obama administration doubled that number to $400 billion, and then late last year made an unlimited pledge of support.

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O’Donnell Reminds Me A Lot Of Barack Obama

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"O'Donnell reminds me a lot of Barack Obama. She also reminds me of George W. Bush, his Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and those who continue to subscribe to the orthodoxies of both."

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More Illegal Alien Nonsense in California

More Illegal Alien Nonsense in California
by Jacob G. Hornberger
Thursday, October 21, 2010

The latest illegal-alien controversy in California's gubernatorial race reflects the vicious and hypocritical assault on fundamental rights and economic liberty that liberals and conservatives have waged for decades.

In 2000 Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for governor, employed a Hispanic housekeeper, Nicky Diaz Santillan. Unbeknownst to Whitman, Diaz was an illegal alien who furnished false documentation establishing that she was here legally. In 2009 Whitman learned that Diaz was here illegally and terminated her employment. Liberals claim that Whitman treated Diaz badly by letting her go.

Whitman's money belongs to her, not to the state and not to society. She has the fundamental right to do whatever she wants with her own money. That's part of what it means to be free. The right to acquire, own, and dispose of money is one of those fundamental, God-given rights that preexist government, rights to which Jefferson referred in the Declaration of Independence.

By the same token, Diaz has been endowed with certain fundamental, God-given rights as well. She has the right to sustain her life through labor, to enter into contracts with others, and to try to break free of the chains of poverty by accumulating wealth.

No government has the moral authority to interfere with the exercise of fundamental, God-given rights. As Jefferson pointed out in the Declaration, it's the job of government to protect, not destroy, the exercise of such rights.

Diaz and Whitman entered into a mutually beneficial economic arrangement, one in which they both benefited.

Enter liberals and conservatives ­ i.e., statists ­ with their beloved immigration controls. They've made it a felony offense for American employers to knowingly hire illegal aliens. When they enacted that law sometime in the 1980s, they claimed that it would solve, once and for all, the immigration "crisis" in America.

What their law criminalizing the employment of illegal aliens did was spur a new industry ­ one of false document creation. In order to make the employer think he was hiring a legal immigrant, illegal aliens would furnish employers with false documents that they purchased from someone who was making money by producing and selling such documents.

What were employers supposed to do ­ become background investigators? Were they supposed to send the documents to a questioned-document examiner to make certain they weren't hiring an illegal? Were they supposed to hire a private detective to search into the matter? Were they expected to buy a lie-detector machine? Were they supposed to hire a lawyer to cross examine the employee?

Ridiculous. Not surprisingly, like all other immigration interventions, the law criminalizing the hiring of illegal aliens didn't solve the perpetual immigration "crisis" after all. Ever since it was enacted, we've been treated to an endless series of immigration paroxysms, immigration crises, and immigrations reforms.

Liberals are criticizing Whitman for being "heartless" for laying off Diaz when she learned that she was an illegal. What hypocrisy! What was Whitman supposed to do once she was put on notice of Diaz's illegal status ­ keep her employed, thereby subjecting herself to the risk of a felony conviction? Make no mistake about it: if Whitman had continued Diaz on the payroll, liberals would be screaming for a grand-jury indictment.

Liberals continue to accuse anyone who objects to their beloved welfare-state programs as "hating the poor, needy, and disadvantaged." Meanwhile, in partnership with conservative statists, they continue their decades-long, failed and destructive, vicious war on immigrants, enacting intervention after intervention, raiding businesses, and deporting some of the poorest people on earth, thereby preventing them from escaping poverty through labor and enterprise.

For their part, conservatives continue braying their mantra "free enterprise, private property, and limited government," even as they continue building up the power to government to destroy the right of foreigners and Americans to engage in mutually beneficial economic relationships.

Meanwhile, many of the statists continue going to church every Sunday, where they meditate on such things as God's second-greatest commandment, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

The latest immigration controversy in California reflects the immorality and hypocrisy that pervades the entire statist agenda that liberals and conservatives have foisted upon our land.

http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2010-10-21.asp

Re: Scanned Or Groped?

If every American took this position, you would see the TSA done away with, in a matter of days.
 
Arm everyone with a baseball bat, as they board a plane!  Remember the shoe bomber?  Remember the underwear bomber?  The passengers beat the crap out of them!  We don't need the TSA!
 


 
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
Scanned Or Groped? Read the entire article here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff330.html

Groping and scanning are both searches. Both are equally vile. Both are unreasonable searches. Both need to be rejected.

Why should I submit to a search? What have I done to merit that? What criminal record have I accumulated in my 70 years? When have I uttered a threat against an airline? When have I encouraged anyone to blow up an airplane?

Where's the probable cause? Where's the reasonable basis to grope me, frisk me, x-ray me, or otherwise invade my person or property? There is none.

Where's the warrant obtained from a judge? There is none.

It's totally ridiculous to be searching me. I won't stand for it. I am being assumed to be a criminal suspect for no good reason whatsoever. The people engaging in the criminal behavior are the searchers in this case, not the searches.

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Social Justice and Fair Taxes

October 20, 2010
Social Justice and Fair Taxes
By Bruce Walker

There is no justice in social justice.  The Duke Lacrosse Team was convicted in the court of social justice even though they were innocent and their black female accuser was guilty.  Nazis worshiped social justice. In the name of social justice, Nazis persecuted "capitalist" Jews. The Ku Klux Klan wanted "social justice." Although blacks were the Klan's most conspicuous victims, bankers, Republicans, Catholics, and -- again -- Jews were high on the list, too, and the Klan was founded to protect the weak and defenseless...all in the name of social justice. Father Coughlin, the notorious anti-Semite and a victim of Klan violence himself, warned about the wickedness of the rich in his book, A Series of Lectures on Social Justice.

Fairness is the mystic mantra of the left, and so when President Obama responds to extending the Bush tax cuts, he conjures the spirit of fairness. It is hard to argue against the vague, sweet whisper of fairness. Leftists, in tax policy, read fairness only one way: those who earn more pay more. That certainly redistributes wealth from the more productive to the least productive members of society, but is it fair? Fairness, like justice, must transcend democratic majorities, but the fairness proclaimed by the left with its progressive income tax rates is like the social justice.

The snarling face of social justice lies behind the mask of fair taxes. Why should those who earn more pay higher taxes than the rest of us? Do we have some moral claim upon the wealth they create? It is just the opposite: they who produce more have a claim on the rest of us, who consume more than we produce. The titans of industry a century ago -- Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, and the rest -- turned out cheap and high-quality products which were a principal reason for our rise as a great nation. Their personal wealth represented a miniscule part of the national wealth they created. 

Men like Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Jonas Salk, and others lived more to create scientific and technological breakthroughs than to earn money. Indeed, for many of these men, money was simply a tool to allow them to do more good. The same is true today. Microsoft, FedEx, and Wal-Mart created wealth that we consume. These creators, in the equations of economic advantage, owe us nothing at all. We, instead, owe them much. The left's love of social justice does not rest even on the hoary, dull tomes of Marxism. Producers, not consumers, are the exploited in Marxist mythology, and huge chunks of American consumers -- the ones crying for fair taxes -- produce almost nothing. 

Most great givers ask almost nothing in return. Mozart and Beethoven received microscopic monetary returns compared to the vast cultural wealth their compositions created. Twain and Orwell gave us incomparably more than the meager royalties from their writings. What is real injustice? Alexander Fleming received little for his quiet work -- the discovery of penicillin. Upper-level bureaucrats or education administrators earn, on the taxpayers' backs, more in a year than Fleming acquired in his lifetime for the life-saving antibiotic. 

The fair taxes demanded by the left also ignore the uncomfortable truth that the rich receive less from government than most of us. When the rich send children to private schools, public schools need less money from taxpayers. Wealthy Americans who live in gated communities need less police protection than other Americans. The rich do not need Medicaid, public housing, or welfare. Those who produce little or nothing and who pay almost no taxes gobble up huge amounts of taxpayer-funded services. Our noble instinct for charity governs part of this help for the poor, and charity is a modest, real virtue. But coerced government transfers of wealth are not charity at all. When the serpent slithers into the picture, then the gratitude toward charity felt by the poor morphs into the venomous predator of social justice. Gentle requests for help, so easily touching the hearts of most Americans, become jack-booted demands for "my fair share" when the exploitation of the few by the many becomes a system of prerogative and not of pity.

We should throw a huge caveat on all this dithering about economic fairness: money, like politics, ought to be a small part of our lives. Conservatives know that. It is the leftist misinterpretation of life which paints us all as economic creatures and which considers all things in life, essentially, political. The lust for money, like the lust for political power, ought to be restrained by vastly greater values like truth, love, art, family, and faith. 

The jihad for fairness can be seen in its hideousness when we consider that fairness of the sort envisioned by the nightmare of social justice would require that the beautiful young woman be scarred or her beauty loaned in rapine to unappealing (and so "disadvantaged" men). Iron fairness demands that gifted students and gifted athletes be given fewer opportunities than the duller brains or slower bodies of the less blessed of us. Indeed, "fair taxes," like every other evil incarnation of social justice, require brutal war against the creator of our differences, our Creator. Our private, selfish notions of "justice" thrive only in the Hell which we create by banishing God.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/social_justice_and_fair_taxes_1.html

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Hello Glen,
 
I changed your settings, to where you will receive only one, "Digest" e-mail from the group. 
 
Generally, we average quite a few messages that are posted to our Group Discussion Board every day.   You can always visit our group site here:
 
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:10 PM, GWH <gharrington@satx.rr.com> wrote:
How do I stop this crap from coming to me.  I have more important things to do like looking at porn.

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Re: Why is that

Tom, and most of the socialist-elitist crew, will never grasp this.  They will reject it out of hand, and not even delve into the hoax.  Tom cannot comprehend that the economic meltdown was caused by socialsts from the Democratic Party, and we are expecting him to understand this?  Not gonna happen.  
 


 
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM, dick <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
First you need to prove that there was a surplus rather than an accounting maneuver.   The surplus was just a trick of the pen and really never existed.   It was based on false premises to begin with, that the economy was increasing.   Instead it was already in recession.   There was not surplus to spend and squander.


On 10/21/2010 11:16 AM, Tommy News wrote:
Why is it that Republicans spent and squandered the surplus that
Democrat Bill Clinton left behind?

On 10/21/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmkahle@gmail.com>  wrote:
 
Liberals do not understand that in order for government to spend money
for a stimulus, a subsidy, an extension of unemployment or any other
"GREAT AND NEEDED" program that will vastly improve my life and cut my
costs must first take that money from me in order to return it to
me ??

It is just ludicrous. If they never take it I have it and do not need
them to tell me how and where to spend it in order to benefit myself.

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Re: The 2010 Freak Show: Christine O'Donnell: I am not a Witch, I am Not You, and I am not a Constitutional Scholar

Hey Michael,
 
Although I made the comment about Devvy Kidd earlier,  (and I do believe that some of her "results" and "theories"  are far fetched)  I should not have called her a crackpot.  She is in fact, looking and searching for the truth, as we all should be.
 
I agree with this last statement that you wrote Michael, by Butler Shafer, (who I am unfamiliar with, but when I get some time, I will Google him).  The point being, is that I openly admit that I was judgemental, and wrong.   I don't trust our federal government.  No one should. 
 
Having said that, the mainstream media, in  its current state, cannot be trusted either.  For the most part, the likes of ABC, CBS, CNN, BBC, the NYT, are so biased by progressive, socialist-elitists, that they are literally broken. I don't even inlcude NBC or its cable stations, as NBC cannot even be looked upon anymore as a legitimate news organization.  Folks like Tommy prove my point.   George Soros' influence is not only dangerous, it is corrupt.   (It was reported yesterday that Soros is funding the Huffington Post News Room, where Tom has posted numerous stories from).   My point in all of this, is that I think the evidence is overwhelming, that there are still weapons of mass destruction that are still unaccounted for, from Iraq.  Further, I don't think that anyone could doubt why the Bush Administration believed that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, when the Brits, Canadians, Russians, Saud's,  Israelis, the French, the Germans, and a half dozen African Nation-States believed that Iraq and Hussein still possessed WMD's.
 
The whole, "Bush Lied" deal, is nothing less than far left hate and spin.
 
 
 


 
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:


Certainly parallel ...

"Accusing one of being a "conspiracy theorist" is the political establishment's way of intimidating people into not questioning the state-defined, consensus-based explanations of events. Those who do so get marginalized as "paranoid kooks." As the lies and coverups of government continue to grow, I am more inclined to the views offered by such people as Kurt Vonnegut, George Carlin, et. al., namely, to "never believe anything the government tells you." I also share the sentiment of the late Chris Tame: "I am not interested in conspiracy theories; I am interested in the facts of conspiracies.""  -- Butler Shaffer


At 10:04 AM 10/21/2010, you wrote:
Christine O'Donnell: I am not a Witch, I am Not You, and I am not a
Constitutional Scholar

The 2010 Freak Show

So who's your favorite crazy running for office this year?

Is it Rich Iott, running for Congress in Ohio, who likes to dress up
as a Nazi? Iott has a hard-on for the SS, no less, specifically the
Wiking Division, which waged genocidal war on the Eastern Front, and
got into the role playing as a -- wait for it -- father-son bonding
adventure.

Maybe it's anti-sex zealot Christine O'Donnell, running for Senate in
Delaware? A reformed witch turned fundamentalist, O'Donnell recently
expressed surprise, if not shock, that the U.S. Constitution includes
a little something called the First Amendment. "You're telling me
that's in the First Amendment?" O'Donnell incredulously asked her
opponent when he noted that the separation of church and state was
enshrined in that obscure document, and, oh, some two centuries of
case law.

How about that Joe Miller, whose security goons recently assaulted and
handcuffed a reporter in Alaska? The reporter was working a story
about Miller's previous employment that Miller wanted buried, but
eventually admitted to: he had in fact been disciplined for violating
the position's ethics policy. Unsurprising, the security squad story
thickened into mire quickly: Miller's rent-a-muscle company turns out
to have been operating without a license, and is made up of
active-duty soldiers who could and should be facing disciplinary
action for their moonlighting. Well, at least they weren't illegal
immigrants.

Could it be Rand Paul? Like some kind of monstrous tennis prodigy,
Paul seems to have been programmed since childhood, when he was named
after drug-addled libertarian cult leader Ayn Rand, to be in his
father's image. The result of this ideological child abuse is hardly
surprising: a creepy weirdness, way-out notions, and poisonous
historical perspectives. Challenged on his wild youth, extremist
views, and hypocrisies, Paul now claims to have "Jesus in his heart,"
which might be funny, except that it isn't.

In Nevada, meanwhile, long-time ultra rightist Sharron Angle knows
better and stays away from mainstream media for fear that she'll be
quoted. Lately, however, there have been some escapes from the tight
lid of her crackpot: claims that she's sort of, kind of, maybe
Asian-looking-like, and fearful of invasions from both Dearborn, MI,
and a suspiciously Mexican-looking Canada, the dark continent to the
north.

In my own state, New York, Carl Paladino has darkened the climate with
threats to take a baseball bat to his enemies and threats to "take
out" a New York Post reporter. Then his desperate family values lunge
proved to be made of the usual flimflam: he pays off a second family
on the side while claiming gay marriage is a threat to the blessed
institution. But my favorite Paladino-ism remains his forwarding of
racist and sexist e-mails to his buddies, because, well, he's in
construction and dat's what dey do in dat sector, OK? One of
Paladino's lesser threats is to tell new enemies that they are off his
Christmas list, which, judging from the bestiality e-mails he
forwarded, is probably a very good thing.

This is turning out to be one very scary Halloween. But it's no goof.
It's the resurgence of the most reprehensible of reactionary
traditions in America. There are many reasons to be angry today in
America, not least for the utter corruption of the political system.
But if you see this weird, paranoid, fundamentalist, bigoted crowd,
funded by the most reactionary of corporate interests, as somehow
doing something better for the nation, then you're either a fool or
one of them.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-wills/the-2010-freak-show_b_769629.html
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Tommy

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Dems approved assistance to Iraqi insurgents via Code Pink



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Dems approved assistance to Iraqi insurgents via Code Pink

Various sources in the blogosphere have covered this story, which is not new, but major media is silent. Gateway Pundit via American Thinker: Barbara Boxer Approved Code Pink Trip to Fallujah to Donate $600,000 to Extremists to Murder US Soldiers On October 12, Scott Swett at the American Thinker reported that Senator Barabara Boxer (D-CA) [...]

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UK: City Council Tells Cafe Owner to Remove Exhaust Fan Because Smell of Frying Bacon Offends Muzzies

[[  He can always try barbequeing some coons.  That smells great too. Screw the muzzieshits. ]]]]


UK: City Council Tells Cafe Owner to Remove Exhaust Fan Because Smell of Frying Bacon Offends Muzzies

doctorbulldog | 21 October, 2010 at 10:06 am | Categories: politics | URL: http://wp.me/p1NPg-6BN

Hey, she can move right next door to me here in Missouri because I love the smell of bacon in the morning.  And, as an added bonus, it appears to keep Muzzies away:

Cafe owner ordered to remove extractor fan because neighbour claimed 'smell of frying bacon offends Muslims'

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:01 PM on 21st October 2010

A hard-working cafe owner has been ordered to tear down an extractor fan - because the smell of her frying bacon 'offends' Muslims.

Planning bosses acted against Beverley Akciecek, 49, after being told her next-door neighbour's Muslim friends had felt 'physically sick' due to the 'foul odour'.

Councillors at Stockport Council in Greater Manchester say the smell from the fan is 'unacceptable on the grounds of residential amenity'.

The fan has been in Beverley's Snack Shack takeaway in the Shaw Heath area of the town for the past three years.

Mrs Akciecek and her husband Cetin, 50, - himself a Turkish Muslim - work more than 50 hours a week buying, preparing and cooking hot and cold sandwiches and hot-pots for their customers.

Today mother-of-seven Mrs Akciecek said she plans to appeal against the decision.

She said: 'I just think it's crazy. Cetin's friends actually visit the shop, they're regular visitors, they're Muslim people, they come in a couple of times a week.

'I have Muslim people come in for cheese toasties. Cetin cooks the food himself, he cooks the bacon.

'When we go to a cafe my husband wouldn't be offended by the smell of bacon. His friends are not offended by it, we have three visitors who come here for a sandwich, friends of my husband, and the smell doesn't offend them at all.

'My brother-in-law doesn't flinch if he comes and we've just taken out three trays of bacon.

'I'm going to find a local councillor. I'm waiting for the letter so I can appeal.'

The couple took over the take-away in 2007 from the previous owner and replaced the existing extractor fan, which had been there for six years, with a new modern one.

They claim they received no complaints about the cafe which is open from 7.30am-2.30pm six days a week, until around 18 months ago when they received a letter from environmental services to say their neighbour Graham Webb-Lee had complained about the smell.

Mrs Akciecek said: 'We've never had a problem about the smell because everything is pre-cooked. We cook it in the oven so there's no foul smell.

'It's pre-cooked so the smell isn't as strong when we're frying it off. It's like living next to someone who's cooking a Sunday breakfast but it's not constant it's just in the morning.

'It's been a sandwich shop for about eight years, cooking exactly the same stuff. The lady before me did double because they were actually building new houses across the road so she was really busy. She was here from 6am-4pm because they were so busy.

'They were there before me but they were also there when the lady who owns the business was here and she was doing double what we are. She had five staff, you can imagine how bust that shop was and they never complained at all.'

They say that the council's environmental services had been out to inspect their property after their neighbour complained about a foul odour last year, but they ruled that the smell was not causing a problem.

Mrs Akciecek said: 'Environmental services said everything is ok. They kept coming back and guaging it and said there was no problem and because they didn't take any action (the neighbours) complained again.'

The couple had never applied for planning permission as they had simply replaced an existing extractor fan with one of the same size and in the same position, but, following further complaints from their neighbour, they were informed by the council they would have to apply retrospectively as an objection had been raised.

They applied for planning permission in May this year, but the application was refused at a meeting of Stockport Area Committee on October 14.

Mr Webb-Lee objected to the aplication - complaining that his Muslim friends refused to visit him becase they 'can't stand the smell of bacon'.

Mrs Akciecek, who also attended the meeting, said: 'He said he had a daughter with an eating disorder, the Muslim friends, and the bad smell all the time is making his clothes smell.

'The councillors agreed with him without even asking me what I thought. It was as if they didn't even realise I was there.

'This cafe is our only source of income. There are only two of us working, we haven't got any staff anymore. We work seven hours in the shop and my husband goes to the cash and carry and has all the prep work to do. We're working long hours. He does about 50 hours a week easy and I'm working about the same and we work Saturdays.

'The shop will be a lot harder work. It will be a good hour a day washing the walls down, I will not work anywhere with the grease falling down the walls. We can't move it anywhere.

'I'm not going to accept it and we're going to fight it.'

Mr Webb-Lee said: 'The vent is 12 inches from my front door. Every morning the smell of bacon comes through and makes me physically sick.

'I have a lot of Muslim friends. They refuse to visit me anymore because they can't stand the smell of bacon.'

A spokesman for Stockport Council said: 'The retrospective application was rejected on the grounds of residential amenity, as the committee felt the odours given off from the vent were unacceptable for neighbouring residents.

'We will ensure that the cafe complies with this decision and removes the extractor fan.'

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Re: Snopes Exposed

So if Obama does not get re-elected and "his" healthcare law is upheld yet not fully implemented when a republican is elected THAT republican gets the credit for implementing those policies. Many parts of the law do not go into effect for 3 or 4 more years.

Yes or No.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future President".
He simply wanted to take credit, as many oportunistic Republican
politicians do.

This demonstrates the hypocricy and oportunistic political
flip-flopping of Republican politicians at its worst.

On 10/21/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yet the deal was struck and everyone had signed based on Georgy Girls work
> and completed negotiations prior to Nobama having any thing to do with it...
> go figure.
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No.
>>
>> Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future
>> President".
>> He simply wanted to take credit, as many opportunistic Republican
>> politicians do.
>>
>> On 10/21/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>> >
>> > You forget that I require facts.... This deal was being negotiated a
>> > full
>> > year before Obama was even in the primary elections let alone a real
>> > candidate for the Democrats. Nobama had "0" to do with it... General
>> > Petraeus  was the impetus after the success of the "Surge" and with the
>> > insistence of the new Iraqi Government as well.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> False.
>> >>
>> >> The Faux deal was signed because President Obama was about to do it
>> >> and Dubya wanted the credit.
>> >>
>> >> On 10/21/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Tommy,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am NOT a fan of Georgy Girl Bush. He did however cut and sign the
>> >> > deal to end Iraq before he left office. NoBama is simply implementing
>> >> > the republican signed plan.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Oct 21, 7:36 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I cannot open adobe documents on my old computer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bush himself admitted that there were no WMDs in Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was in reality a personal Bush family
>> >> >> vendetta against Sadaaam Hussein, who tried to kill Daddy Bush,
>> >> >> combined with the war profiteering greed of Dick Cheney and his
>> >> >> Halliburton cronies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The unilateral invasion of Iraq violated both the Geneva Convention
>> >> >> and The United Nations Charter, and the war criminals Bush, Cheney,
>> >> >> Rove, Rice, and Rumsfeld should be impeached, tried and imprisoned.
>> >> >> Yes, they can still be impeached even after they have left office.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thankfully, President Obama has ended the illegal Iraq war, and he
>> has
>> >> >> promised to also end the war in Afghanistan beginning in 2011.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PEACE!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Whoops!  I forgot to attach the attachment!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Apologies!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Keith
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Keith In Tampa
>> >> >> > <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>  Hey Michael,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Maybe that great Irish American, Jude Wannanski might want to
>> >> >> >> take
>> >> >> >> up
>> >> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> research, and resources with John Negroponte, and the United
>> States
>> >> >> >> Congress.  (*See* Attachment, in .pdf format, from June 21,
>> >> >> >> 2006).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Below is info from the Congressional Research Office, of the
>> >> >> >> weaponry
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> was unaccounted for, and at the time that we invaded Iraq, none
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> these
>> >> >> >> biological weapons had been located.  Again, *See*
>> Attachment....We
>> >> did
>> >> >> >> find some of them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Below that, is other articles that conclusively prove that not
>> only
>> >> did
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> discover that there had been biological weaponry and potential
>> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> weaponry in Iraq, but we still, to date, have not accounted for
>> all
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> Saddam Hussein's and the Baath Party's  weaponry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anything else, is nothing but far left, liberal mainstream spin
>> and
>> >> >> >> bias,
>> >> >> >> which folks like Tom fall for and quote, hook, line and sinker.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tommy, there is some "special" information for you, as well as a
>> You
>> >> >> >> Tube
>> >> >> >> video clip for you to watch at the bottom of this message:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ===========
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> From the Congressional Research Service:  April, 1998:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Iraq has also acknowledged that prior to the
>> >> >> >> Persian<http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html#
>> >Gulf
>> >> >> >> conflict it
>> >> >> >> manufactured 100 botulinum bombs, 50 anthrax bombs, and 7
>> aflatoxin
>> >> >> >> bombs.
>> >> >> >> In addition, 16 missile warheads were filled with botulinum, five
>> >> with
>> >> >> >> anthrax bacillus, and four with aflatoxin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> U.S. and British intelligence agencies believe that Iraq has
>> hidden
>> >> >> >> stores of CBW agents, production equipment, ballistic missiles,
>> and
>> >> >> >> missile warheads. UNSCOM has reported no firm evidence that Iraq
>> >> still
>> >> >> >> retains weapons or materiel, but the Iraqi government has not
>> >> provided
>> >> >> >> adequate evidence to support its claim that all its CBW arsenal
>> has
>> >> >> >> been
>> >> >> >> destroyed, nor has it accounted for CBW production materials
>> >> >> >> known
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> been in its possession. These factors, coupled with Iraqi
>> >> >> >> obstruction
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> UNSCOM inspections, have led to strong suspicions. U.S. and
>> British
>> >> >> >> intelligence agencies believe that Iraq still may possess tons of
>> >> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> >> warfare agents and the necessary materials to produce thousands
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> liters
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> biological agents. UNSCOM and U.S. intelligence differ in their
>> >> >> >> estimates
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the number of actual missiles that may still be in Iraq. Again
>> >> >> >> information
>> >> >> >> is  sketchy. In part, this is because much is classified, but
>> >> >> >> even
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> classified information is reportedly incomplete. A recent report
>> >> issued
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> the British government, however, provided some information
>> (Foreign
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> Commonwealth Office --
>> >> >> >> (http://193.114.50.5/texts/1998/feb/04/iraqppr.txt).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- British intelligence believes that up to ten SCUD missiles
>> >> >> >> capable
>> >> >> >> of carrying CBW warheads remain hidden.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- UNSCOM reports that between 40-70 CBW-capable missile warheads
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- Iraq possessed enough growth medium to produce over 16,000
>> liters
>> >> >> >> more
>> >> >> >> anthrax spores than has been acknowledged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- 4,000 tons of CW precursor chemicals are unaccounted for;
>> enough
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> produce several hundred tons of CW agents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- 31,000 CW munitions remain unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- Essential CW production equipment remains unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- It is believed that Iraq may retain undetermined amounts of
>> Ebola
>> >> >> >> virus, bubonic and pneumonic plague bacteria, and the toxin
>> >> >> >> ricin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ========================
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thursday, 19 December, 2002, 16:35 GMT
>> >> >> >> *Iraq's 'unaccounted for' weapons*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>   By Paul Reynolds
>> >> >> >> BBC News Online world affairs correspondent
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2590265.stm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has said Iraq's new
>> declaration
>> >> >> >> contains little information that had not been declared by Baghdad
>> >> >> >> before
>> >> >> >> 1998 when UN arms experts were last in Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The US and UK have long had concerns about what is described as
>> >> >> >> unaccounted
>> >> >> >> for chemical, biological and nuclear material. Their assessments
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> partly
>> >> >> >> based on a report by the weapons inspections organisation Unscom,
>> >> >> >> predecessor to Unmovic.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In early 1999, Unscom gave the Security Council its own
>> >> >> >> assessment
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> what
>> >> >> >> Iraq had destroyed and what remained unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The US and UK want a full explanation of what happened to the
>> >> >> >> following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>    - 360 tonnes of chemical warfare agents, including 1.5 tonnes
>> of
>> >> VX
>> >> >> >>    nerve agent;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>    - 3,000 tonnes of chemical precursors (which are developed
>> >> >> >> into
>> >> >> >>    chemical weapons) including 300 tonnes uniquely used for VX.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The 1999 Unscom report said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "According to Iraq, 1.5 tonnes of VX were discarded unilaterally
>> by
>> >> >> >> dumping
>> >> >> >> on the ground. Traces of one VX-degradation product and a
>> >> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> >> known
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> a VX-stabilizer were found in the samples taken from the VX dump
>> >> sites.
>> >> >> >> A
>> >> >> >> quantified assessment is not possible."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *Biological*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Britain and America want to know about:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Growth media for 20,000 litres of biological warfare agents. Any
>> >> Iraqi
>> >> >> >> claims that this will have degenerated will not be accepted as
>> >> mustard
>> >> >> >> gas
>> >> >> >> found in shells in 1997 was active;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Shells for use in biological warfare - 20,000 are missing say the
>> >> >> >> British,
>> >> >> >> 15,000 say the Americans;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unscom said in 1999:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "The commission has little or no confidence in Iraq's accounting
>> for
>> >> >> >> proscribed items for which physical evidence is lacking or
>> >> >> >> inconclusive,
>> >> >> >> documentation is sparse or nonexistent, and coherence and
>> >> >> >> consistency
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> lacking.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> These include, for example: quantities and types of munitions
>> >> available
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> biological weapons (BW) filling; quantities and types of
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> filled
>> >> >> >> with BW agents; quantities and type of bulk agents produced;
>> >> quantities
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> bulk agents used in filling; quantities of bulk agents destroyed;
>> >> >> >> quantities
>> >> >> >> of growth media acquired for the programme; and quantities of
>> growth
>> >> >> >> media
>> >> >> >> used/consumed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In addition, the commission has no confidence that all bulk
>> >> >> >> agents
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> been destroyed; that no BW munitions or weapons remain in Iraq;
>> and
>> >> >> >> that a
>> >> >> >> BW capability does not still exist in Iraq."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *Chemical warfare munitions*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Washington and London demand disclosure on:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 6,000 chemical warfare bombs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unscom said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The commission has accepted the destruction of about 34,000
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> the basis of multiple sources, including physical evidence,
>> >> >> >> documents
>> >> >> >> provided by Iraq etc. However, it has not been possible to
>> >> >> >> achieve
>> a
>> >> >> >> numerical accounting of destroyed munitions due to heavy bomb
>> damage
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> CW storage
>> >> >> >> facilities<
>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>,
>> >> >> >> where these munitions had been stored during the Gulf war. The
>> >> >> >> destruction
>> >> >> >> of about 2,000 unfilled munitions remain uncertain, 550 filled
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> remain unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Other key concerns for the US and UK include the following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>    - Why did Iraq try to import 60,000 aluminium tubes? Rapidly
>> >> >> >> spinning
>> >> >> >>    rotor tubes in centrifuges are used to separate weapons grade
>> >> >> >> uranium,
>> >> >> >>    though both the British and American reports acknowledge that
>> the
>> >> >> >> tubes
>> >> >> >>    could be used for conventional weapons as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why did it try to import other equipment, including vacuum
>> >> >> >> pumps<
>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>,
>> >> >> >> a winding machine and special chemicals needed in gas
>> >> >> >> centrifuge<
>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> >> .>cascades?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =============================================
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I don't think there is any argument, by anyone who keeps abreast
>> of
>> >> >> >> current
>> >> >> >> affairs and world events, that all of the Western World believed
>> at
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> time
>> >> >> >> of the United States'  invasion of Iraq, that Saddam Hussein
>> >> possessed
>> >> >> >> biological and chemical weapons, and was attempting to obtain
>> >> >> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> weaponry.  Hell, we, (MNO's from Germany, the United States and
>> >> >> >> Great
>> >> >> >> Britain) sold them to Hussein and his government!  Anthrax, VX
>> nerve
>> >> >> >> agent,
>> >> >> >> and a variety of other weapons of mass destruction were never
>> >> accounted
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> by Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party led Iraqi government, as
>> late
>> >> as
>> >> >> >> 2003.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/wmd_5-29.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As stated, I attached a declassified file from the United States
>> >> Senate
>> >> >> >> where 500 canisters for missile armament tips  of nerve agent
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> found
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> 2006.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No major media outcry over that.  Hardly a peep from mainstream
>> >> >> >> media
>> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> 550 metric tons of yellow cake was  recently shipped to Canada
>> from
>> >> >> >> Iraq,
>> >> >> >> just this year:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/07/07/msm-yawn-550-met.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-elliott/weapons-of-mass-destruc.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/2003/203/pe42
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> read more »
>> >> >
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>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>> >>
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