Sunday, December 12, 2010

Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

Johnathan-

When someone calls me names, or insults me, I often lower myself down
to a similar low level and call them names back.
If you look back, all the name calling I have done is in response to
name calling directed at me or at President Obama or at Democrats by
Bruce, Keith, Dick, "Anointed One", Cold Water, and by others here.

On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
> Tommy,
>
> If you do indeed have "more University degrees and certificates than
> most can fathom," how come (in most of the responses you post) you
> resort to name calling? One would think an educated man might have more
> to say than, "Brucie is a little girl" or "Yes, Kieth. You are a liar, a
> hater, a "smearer", and a misguided homophobic officious bigot with a
> dirty mind. Yes, you are."
>
> On 12/12/2010 9:34 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>> Wrong again Johnathan.
>>
>> I happen to be a lifelong learner, with more University degrees and
>> certificates than most can fathom, and I educate myself on a daily
>> basis.
>> Your officious and snobbish first sentence has turned me off.
>>
>> I will look at your links when I have a chance, and evaluate them
>> objectively, but the manner in which you presented them, " Here is
>> your reading assignment for today." was highly offensive, as is this
>> new false statement that I " instead spew any rhetoric that fits with
>> your preconceived ideas." I do not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>> Just proves the point that you have no desire to learn, but instead spew
>>> any rhetoric that fits with your preconceived ideas.
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2010 9:12 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>> No thanks Jonathan.
>>>>
>>>> Your insulting, snarky and officious first sentence, "Here is your
>>>> reading assignment for today." has angered me and I refuse to take
>>>> your bait.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tommy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is your reading assignment for today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Journalist Alert: Beware the Politicized "Hate Group" Designations by
>>>>> the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)
>>>>> http://www.splcreport.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> The SPLC Exposed - Southern Poverty Law Center - Morris Dees And Hate
>>>>> Crimes
>>>>> http://thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Southern Poverty Law Center Officially Declared "Left-Wing Hate Group"
>>>>> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/100325
>>>>>
>>>>> Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become A Danger To America!
>>>>> http://www.infowars.com/southern-poverty-law-center-has-become-a-danger-to-america/
>>>>>
>>>>> Will SPLC Return Madoff money?
>>>>> http://cofcc.org/2010/11/splc-return-madoff-money/
>>>>>
>>>>> SPLC's Reputation As Frauds& Conmen Grows
>>>>> http://georgiaheritagecouncil.org/site2/commentary/davis-scroggins_SPLC_exposed081809.phtml
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
>>> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
>>> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>>>
>>> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
>>> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
>>> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
>>> collective ignorance."
>>> - Ron Paul*
>>>
>>> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
>>> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
>>> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
>>> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
>>> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
>>> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
>>> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>>>
>>> *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal
>>> Government*
>>> >b>Read the US Constitution
>>> <http://amgona.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=7#Amends>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
>>> governed are weak.*
>>>
>>> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
>>> caught exercising them."
>>> - Terry Mitchell
>>>
>>> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
>>> cannot be."
>>> - Thomas Jefferson***
>>>
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>>
>
> --
> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> collective ignorance."
> - Ron Paul*
>
> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal
> Government*
> >b>Read the US Constitution
> <http://amgona.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=7#Amends>
>
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> caught exercising them."
> - Terry Mitchell
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson***
>
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Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

Tommy,

If you do indeed have "
more University degrees and certificates than most can fathom," how come (in most of the responses you post) you resort to name calling? One would think an educated man might have more to say than, "Brucie is a little girl" or "Yes, Kieth. You are a liar, a hater, a "smearer", and a misguided homophobic officious bigot with a dirty mind. Yes, you are."

On 12/12/2010 9:34 AM, Tommy News wrote:
Wrong again Johnathan.  I happen to be a lifelong learner, with more University degrees and certificates than most can fathom, and I educate myself on a daily basis. Your officious and snobbish first sentence has turned me off.  I will look at your links when I have a chance, and evaluate them objectively, but the manner in which you presented them, " Here is your reading assignment for today." was highly offensive, as is this new false statement that I " instead spew any rhetoric that fits with your preconceived ideas." I do not.     On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote: 
Just proves the point that you have no desire to learn, but instead spew any rhetoric that fits with your preconceived ideas.  On 12/12/2010 9:12 AM, Tommy News wrote: 
No thanks Jonathan.  Your insulting, snarky and officious first sentence, "Here is your reading assignment for today." has angered me and I refuse to take your bait.   On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com>  wrote: 
Tommy,  Here is your reading assignment for today.  Journalist Alert: Beware the Politicized "Hate Group" Designations by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) http://www.splcreport.com/  The SPLC Exposed - Southern Poverty Law Center - Morris Dees And Hate Crimes http://thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html  Southern Poverty Law Center Officially Declared "Left-Wing Hate Group" http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/100325  Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become A Danger To America! http://www.infowars.com/southern-poverty-law-center-has-become-a-danger-to-america/  Will SPLC Return Madoff money? http://cofcc.org/2010/11/splc-return-madoff-money/  SPLC's Reputation As Frauds&  Conmen Grows http://georgiaheritagecouncil.org/site2/commentary/davis-scroggins_SPLC_exposed081809.phtml  -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options&  help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum  * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. 
 
 -- *I reserve the right to do as I please.*  *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover of law, and with the colors of justice ..." - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)  "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our collective ignorance." - Ron Paul*  *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*  *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*  >b>Read the US Constitution <http://amgona.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=7#Amends>   *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.*  *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get caught exercising them." - Terry Mitchell  "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that cannot be." - Thomas Jefferson***  -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum  * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. 
  

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"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
- U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)

"If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our collective ignorance."
- Ron Paul


Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.

I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government
>b>Read the US Constitution

Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.

"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get caught exercising them."
- Terry Mitchell

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that cannot be."
- Thomas Jefferson

**JP** Death to the Corrupt - Sequal

 

Dear Join Pakistan
12-10-2010
 
Death to the Corrupt
 
In response to my letter to editor ‘Death to the Corrupt, Col. Afzal Sipra sent the following highly thought provoking response which I would like to share with you :
 
 
Dear Sir, A-o-A,
I also wish many things. Nations don\'t survive without sacrifices. When Ayub Khan met Algerian President and leader of the Algerian Independence Movement  Ben Bella he asked him, "Ben Bella! When will the Kashmir be liberated?" Ben Bella took him to the roof of his office, opened a window of the back yard , showed him the graveyard and said, "When this much big graveyard is created". I along with many tourists was visiting palaces of the old king of France in Paris in 1985. One of the Scottish ladies said, "Oh! Peoples were starving and these bastards were enjoying." Then we saw that place where king and queen were stoned to death. Mao and Zhou Enlai threw their opium eaters in the sea. Americans fought civil war for 200 years. I have seen British "Phanse Ghaats" in Isle of White. Iran has become a nation after so many sacrifices. Afghans are a strong nation ever since their creation. My grandfather used to tell us in 1960s, "Putroo! Kabul day jamian noon sadaa muhimaan i.e. Those who are born in Kabul are always on triumph." Many of us want a change. Many of us want to go to paradise but none of us wants to sacrifice and none of us want to die. How can you change the fate of the nation. Theory of evolution has failed in our country. CJ has stated his wish but how? One M $ question. 
 
 
Any comments?
 
Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

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Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

Wrong again Johnathan.

I happen to be a lifelong learner, with more University degrees and
certificates than most can fathom, and I educate myself on a daily
basis.
Your officious and snobbish first sentence has turned me off.

I will look at your links when I have a chance, and evaluate them
objectively, but the manner in which you presented them, " Here is
your reading assignment for today." was highly offensive, as is this
new false statement that I " instead spew any rhetoric that fits with
your preconceived ideas." I do not.


On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
> Just proves the point that you have no desire to learn, but instead spew
> any rhetoric that fits with your preconceived ideas.
>
> On 12/12/2010 9:12 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>> No thanks Jonathan.
>>
>> Your insulting, snarky and officious first sentence, "Here is your
>> reading assignment for today." has angered me and I refuse to take
>> your bait.
>>
>>
>> On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>> Tommy,
>>>
>>> Here is your reading assignment for today.
>>>
>>> Journalist Alert: Beware the Politicized "Hate Group" Designations by
>>> the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)
>>> http://www.splcreport.com/
>>>
>>> The SPLC Exposed - Southern Poverty Law Center - Morris Dees And Hate
>>> Crimes
>>> http://thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html
>>>
>>> Southern Poverty Law Center Officially Declared "Left-Wing Hate Group"
>>> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/100325
>>>
>>> Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become A Danger To America!
>>> http://www.infowars.com/southern-poverty-law-center-has-become-a-danger-to-america/
>>>
>>> Will SPLC Return Madoff money?
>>> http://cofcc.org/2010/11/splc-return-madoff-money/
>>>
>>> SPLC's Reputation As Frauds& Conmen Grows
>>> http://georgiaheritagecouncil.org/site2/commentary/davis-scroggins_SPLC_exposed081809.phtml
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
>>>
>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/
>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.
>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
>>
>
> --
> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> collective ignorance."
> - Ron Paul*
>
> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal
> Government*
> >b>Read the US Constitution
> <http://amgona.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=7#Amends>
>
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> caught exercising them."
> - Terry Mitchell
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson***
>
> --
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Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Have Their Junk Squeezed

Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Have Their Junk Squeezed
When "progressive" ideas smack into national security.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/those-who-forget-history-are-doomed-to-have-their-junk-squeezed/?singlepage=true
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"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
- U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)

"If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our collective ignorance."
- Ron Paul


Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.

I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government
>b>Read the US Constitution

Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.

"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get caught exercising them."
- Terry Mitchell

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that cannot be."
- Thomas Jefferson

Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

Just proves the point that you have no desire to learn, but instead spew any rhetoric that fits with your preconceived ideas.

On 12/12/2010 9:12 AM, Tommy News wrote:
No thanks Jonathan.  Your insulting, snarky and officious first sentence, "Here is your reading assignment for today." has angered me and I refuse to take your bait.   On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote: 
Tommy,  Here is your reading assignment for today.  Journalist Alert: Beware the Politicized "Hate Group" Designations by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) http://www.splcreport.com/  The SPLC Exposed - Southern Poverty Law Center - Morris Dees And Hate Crimes http://thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html  Southern Poverty Law Center Officially Declared "Left-Wing Hate Group" http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/100325  Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become A Danger To America! http://www.infowars.com/southern-poverty-law-center-has-become-a-danger-to-america/  Will SPLC Return Madoff money? http://cofcc.org/2010/11/splc-return-madoff-money/  SPLC's Reputation As Frauds & Conmen Grows http://georgiaheritagecouncil.org/site2/commentary/davis-scroggins_SPLC_exposed081809.phtml  -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum  * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. 
  

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"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
- U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)

"If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our collective ignorance."
- Ron Paul


Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.

I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government
>b>Read the US Constitution

Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.

"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get caught exercising them."
- Terry Mitchell

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that cannot be."
- Thomas Jefferson

Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

No thanks Jonathan.

Your insulting, snarky and officious first sentence, "Here is your
reading assignment for today." has angered me and I refuse to take
your bait.


On 12/12/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
> Tommy,
>
> Here is your reading assignment for today.
>
> Journalist Alert: Beware the Politicized "Hate Group" Designations by
> the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)
> http://www.splcreport.com/
>
> The SPLC Exposed - Southern Poverty Law Center - Morris Dees And Hate Crimes
> http://thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html
>
> Southern Poverty Law Center Officially Declared "Left-Wing Hate Group"
> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/100325
>
> Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become A Danger To America!
> http://www.infowars.com/southern-poverty-law-center-has-become-a-danger-to-america/
>
> Will SPLC Return Madoff money?
> http://cofcc.org/2010/11/splc-return-madoff-money/
>
> SPLC's Reputation As Frauds & Conmen Grows
> http://georgiaheritagecouncil.org/site2/commentary/davis-scroggins_SPLC_exposed081809.phtml
>
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Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

Tommy,

Here is your reading assignment for today.

Journalist Alert: Beware the Politicized "Hate Group" Designations by
the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)
http://www.splcreport.com/

The SPLC Exposed - Southern Poverty Law Center - Morris Dees And Hate Crimes
http://thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html

Southern Poverty Law Center Officially Declared "Left-Wing Hate Group"
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/100325

Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become A Danger To America!
http://www.infowars.com/southern-poverty-law-center-has-become-a-danger-to-america/

Will SPLC Return Madoff money?
http://cofcc.org/2010/11/splc-return-madoff-money/

SPLC's Reputation As Frauds & Conmen Grows
http://georgiaheritagecouncil.org/site2/commentary/davis-scroggins_SPLC_exposed081809.phtml

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Re: The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective

Yes, Kieth.

You are a liar, a hater, a "smearer", and a misguided homophobic
officious bigot with a dirty mind.

Yes, you are.

I don't laugh at you, because I find you to be a to be a pathetic
simplistic misguided reich wingnut, a liar, a hater, and yes, a
"smearer".

On 12/12/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a liar, hater and a "smearer" because I stand up and hold you
> accountable for the horse hockey you post to this group? That somehow,
> because you post some ignorant nonsense on this forum, this makes it
> truthful?
>
> I laugh out loud at you!!
>
> You are the epitome of what is ailing America Tom! You are a misinformed,
> misguided malcontent who is most likely a drain on our Nation's economic
> resources not to mention your Anti-American viewpoints. You don't have a
> clue what is going on around you. You are too ignorant to even search and
> learn of the truth!
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1- Lie. SPLC is NOT a hate group.
>>
>> and 2- Lie. The ten lies are indeed lies.
>>
>> Here is Proof positive that Kieth is a liar, hater, and purveyor of
>> false smear.
>> Proof, as he reqested himself.
>>
>> On 12/12/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Two points.
>> >
>> > First, the Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate group. A hate group,
>> that
>> > labels other Americans with despicable tags and ostentatious
>> > misrepresentations.
>> >
>> > Second, most if not all of the purpoted ten lies are prevaricate and
>> taken
>> > out of context. Some of the purported "lies" are in fact quite
>> accurate.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate
>> >> Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective
>> >> by Kathy on 29. Nov, 2010 in MUST READS, Please Be Nicer, Uncategorized
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As a follower of Jesus who takes very seriously the commands to love,
>> >> be merciful and "spend" myself on justice, I've struggled for a week
>> >> with this post about the designation of the Family Research Council
>> >> (FRC) as a Hate Group. I am a swirl of anger and shame and relief. I
>> >> have waited over a week to write and post this so that I could check
>> >> myself and make sure it's the Jesus-kind of anger motivating me. By
>> >> speaking out, I will be going directly against what appears to be
>> >> good, sound and sacred. So be it. Deceit and hatred wrapped in a
>> >> lovely robe and carrying a Holy Text is a horrible, blasphemous
>> >> offense.
>> >>
>> >> In December 2010, the Family Research Council (FRC) was placed on
>> >> Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) list of Hate Groups. In amongst
>> >> 932 designated active hate groups in the United States which include:
>> >> neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, Black
>> >> Separatists, Racist Skinheads, Holocaust Deniers, Neo-Confederates,
>> >> Anti-Immigrationists and Anti-Gay groups, there is listed the Family
>> >> Research Council.
>> >>
>> >> Eighteen of SPLC's Hate Groups are anti-gay. For absolute clarity,
>> >> deeming homosexuality as "unbiblical" will not earn an organization a
>> >> spot on the Hate Groups list. But, continuous dissemination of known
>> >> falsehoods and the repeated, groundless demonizing of gay, lesbian,
>> >> bisexual and transgender (GLBT) people will score a group an uncoveted
>> >> position on the list.
>> >>
>> >> I listened to Tony Perkins, President of FRC, on Fox and Friends as he
>> >> responded to the dishonor announced last week on being place on the
>> >> SPLC's Hate Groups list. I talked to my computer screen and boiled at
>> >> his smiling, what-me? attitude. No, Mr. Perkins, FRC is not on the
>> >> list because you are a conservative group. Your actions have placed
>> >> you there. No, Mr. Perkins, the left is not trying to shut down the
>> >> debate or take away your freedom of religion. GLBT people are
>> >> fighting for what the mascot-version-God aside you says they
>> >> deserve—equality. Religious straight conservatives (and I am one)
>> >> will still be able to get married, have children, serve in the
>> >> military and attend houses of worship of their choice. No one wants
>> >> to strip us of any of those rights; they just want the same rights,
>> >> not special rights, not more rights, not gay rights—the same rights.
>> >> Mr. Perkins, you drag God into your battle as an accomplice and, to
>> >> me, that is even more despicable than your messages. You use God as
>> >> your validation, saying you are fighting to protect His
>> >> Judeo-Christian values. You and FRC deserve to be called dangerous
>> >> and hateful; you and FRC have earned it.
>> >>
>> >> FRC, regrettably, is not the only anti-gay group on the SPLC Hate
>> >> List. They are joined, most notably, by: Abiding Truth, run by Scott
>> >> Lively (outlined in a post "On Scott Lively and the "Kill the Gays
>> >> Bill" (in) Fame" that I wrote after a long personal series of
>> >> exchanges with him), American Family Association (AFA), Concerned
>> >> Women for America (CWA) and National Organization for Marriage (NOM).
>> >> All are dispensers of false accusations, myths and lies about GLBT
>> >> people. I have spent over five years as an active advocate/friend of
>> >> the GLBT community, especially the gay/trans Christians and, over
>> >> twenty five years as a devout follower of Jesus. I have feet in both
>> >> the conservative Christian world and the GLBT world. I am in a unique
>> >> position to assess the controversy. The lies about gay people really
>> >> hurt in a deep spot in me. Lies that substantiate the "right" to
>> >> discriminate.
>> >>
>> >> Here are the top ten myths and lies presented by FRC, CWA, AFA and
>> >> NOM, (I won't even touch Scott Lively's ramblings here. Read the
>> >> blogpost . He is widely agreed to be in the same special grouping with
>> >> the Westboro Baptist Church). I follow each lie with a short
>> >> commentary and link to where I have written about that topic in the
>> >> past.
>> >>
>> >> 1. People make a choice to be gay. If you know any/many GLBT people
>> >> and you have listened to them, you would not entertain this statement
>> >> as true. This is a pivotal statement used by anti-gay groups all
>> >> the time. It is simple and it is powerful. Here is why. If being
>> >> GLBT is a choice, then it is a conduct. Conduct is not protected by
>> >> law. But, a class of people, a status of people, is protected by law.
>> >> If these conservative groups can get us to believe that being GLBT is
>> >> a choice, then they can hope to withhold civil rights from gay/trans
>> >> people. Again, conduct is not protected but classes of people are
>> >> protected.
>> >>
>> >> This house of cards and lies are starting to tumble down however. In
>> >> the Supreme Court, a ruling was released on June 28, 2010 for
>> >> Christian Legal Society(CLS) at University of California, Hastings
>> >> School of Law v Martinez. CLS contented that they were discriminating
>> >> against a behavior, the homosexuality of a perspective member, when
>> >> they denied admission to the group. We are all clear that state money
>> >> and property cannot be used to discriminate against a class of people,
>> >> but CLS said this was about behavior. In siding with Martinez, the
>> >> Supreme Court decision called GLBT people a "class"; this is huge,
>> >> huge. The Supreme Court has now designated GLBT people as a class, not
>> >> a behavior, not a conduct. A group of people.
>> >>
>> >> Forget all the myths and bigotry some groups will use to discriminate
>> >> against GLBT people, the Supreme Court (and every recognized American
>> >> medical, counseling and psychiatric group) understands that
>> >> homosexuality/transgenderness is not a choice. They are a class or
>> >> status of people. With that designation, equality will come.
>> >>
>> >> I find it exceedingly sad that the State is leading the charge for
>> >> social justice when God told His people over 2,700 years ago in the
>> >> book of Isaiah to "spend" themselves on justice issues. (Isaiah 58:
>> >> 6-12) The courts are now leading the way to end this inequality. It
>> >> should have been Christians churches. We have been here before on the
>> >> issues of equality for women and Black Americans. God help us; Your
>> >> people betrayed a mandate and used Your name to validate
>> >> discrimination.
>> >>
>> >> 2. People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as
>> >> children or had distant father/over bearing mother or some variation
>> >> on bad parenting. GLBT children are no more abused or subject to poor
>> >> role models than heterosexual children. Fifteen to twenty five percent
>> >> of all girls were sexually abused and seven to fifteen percent of all
>> >> boys. There is no scientific evidence to link abuse and orientation.
>> >> None. This myth has burdened parents of GLBT children with a guilt and
>> >> shame that they somehow caused their children's orientation. Shame
>> >> and blame. And, a lie.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Sexual orientation can be changed. Reparative therapy has been
>> >> rejected by all the established and reputable American medical,
>> >> psychological, psychiatric and professional counseling organizations.
>> >> The overwhelming majority of people that have "changed" have: chosen
>> >> to be celibate, were bisexual and not exclusively homosexual, or opt
>> >> to live a "straight" life to adhere to strong religious and social
>> >> pressures. ( Read my post about Sexual Orientation . ) Even the leader
>> >> of the largest reparative therapy group in the world, Exodus, said
>> >> just this week that he still is attracted to men. This is my personal
>> >> belief, I would say, that if it were not for his paycheck, status and
>> >> books, he would be more truthful. I have two close friends who were
>> >> leaders/founders of Exodus and they are transparent in telling the
>> >> stories of the lies and lack of integrity in the Exodus- type message.
>> >>
>> >> I have personally interviewed both of them (Michael Bussee and Darlene
>> >> Bogle ) and this reparative sex industry is a sham and a money
>> >> machine. It does not work. I do not know one, not one person who has
>> >> changed sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Not one.
>> >> Have there been cases where some sexual abuse caused a skewed sexual
>> >> view that was corrected? Sure. I would place that in the less than 1%
>> >> realm. Go to Beyond Ex-Gay and Box Turtle Bulletin for reparative
>> >> therapy stories. The leaders of ex-gay ministries will never say you
>> >> can change orientation; they appear to say that, but listen. They
>> >> even know it is a lie.
>> >>
>> >> 4. Efforts to change someone's sexual orientation from homosexual
>> >> to heterosexual are not harmful nor unethical. Oh really? Being GLBT
>> >> is a status, not a behavior or "lifestyle" (this word drives me
>> >> batty!). Constant pressure to change the core of a person is a
>> >> violation of humanity and it is an abuse. Telling someone who is
>> >> same-sex attracted that they must change who they are to be acceptable
>> >> to family, society, God is harmful and unethical.
>> >>
>> >> Ask an alcoholic or drug addict to get clean and you will see benefit.
>> >> Ask an adulterer to stop cheating and you see benefit. Go on and on
>> >> down the list of "bad behaviors" and encourage folks to eliminate them
>> >> and you will see life and good. Then, apply this "you must change your
>> >> orientation" attitude and dictate to a GLBT person, and you will see
>> >> loneliness, depression, isolation and shame. I am sure people are
>> >> well intentioned in wanting others to change and live "the good life"
>> >> of heterosexuality. I could not change my orientation, yet, we ask
>> >> others to change theirs. For our good. For their destruction.
>> >>
>> >> 5. Homosexuals experience a higher level of psychological disorders
>> >> than do heterosexuals. Really? Reject anyone repeatedly and from all
>> >> directions and from all societal institutions and you set them up for
>> >> personal destruction. We have done an excellent job of sending out a
>> >> message of less-thanism from every corner of society to the GLBT
>> >> community–from churches, government, military and schools. Want to
>> >> decrease the shame, depression, addictions, suicidal thoughts and
>> >> loneliness imposed on GLBT people? Stop the rejection. Incredibly
>> >> simplistic. Be loving, be accepting, be a safe place. Love,
>> >> acceptance and security. That is all we each ask for. Try extending
>> >> it and watch the "psychological disorders" melt away.
>> >>
>> >> 6. Children raised by homosexuals are not as healthy as children
>> >> raised by heterosexuals and, they suffer harm. First, all studies
>> >> show children do better with two parents, two, not a male and female,
>> >> two parents. Want to protect children? Start by not getting divorced
>> >> and letting them have two, engaged, in-the-same-house parents. Next,
>> >> the majority of the children that I personally know in gay male couple
>> >> families are adopted children. Disposed-of children that exit the
>> >> foster/state systems into these loving homes. In lesbian couple
>> >> families, many of the children are their own children and they should
>> >> be with their Mom. Let Mom have a legal partner for the security of
>> >> those children. Two parents. No, none, zero studies exist to state
>> >> that children raised in same-sex couple families are harmed or suffer
>> >> any more than we heterosexual parents all-stars effect them.
>> >>
>> >> The courts asked the plaintiffs for proof of this accusation of
>> >> damage to children in same-sex parenting homes in the Prop 8 case in
>> >> California. This was the big opportunity to lay it out for all to see
>> >> and guess what? No evidence was presented. None. You can lie all you
>> >> want on TV and in sound bites, but in court, you must bring proof. No
>> >> proof was offered. Want to make the home life of children healthier?
>> >> Let them have two parents. Let GLBT couples marry and create
>> >> families and security for their children.
>> >>
>> >> I have specifically and intentionally spent time with my GLBT friends
>> >> and their children to observe. As a mother of two grown children
>> >> (both straight), I am impressed with what I have seen. GLBT people do
>> >> not want to destroy family, they want to create it, with their kids
>> >> and with the tossed away kids.
>> >>
>> >> 7. Homosexuals are more likely to molest children than
>> >> heterosexuals. This lie can make a person crazy because it is such an
>> >> offensive lie. This repeated nonsense has damaged relationships of
>> >> GLBT people within their families and extended families. "Don't let
>> >> Aunt Lesbian near the kids and surely not Uncle Gay. They will touch
>> >> our kids inappropriately and use them sexually." Molestation of
>> >> children is NOT an issue of orientation. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
>> >> Molestation of children is about being attracted to a child's age, not
>> >> gender of the child or the abuser. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
>> >>
>> >> In a 2008 study of medical records in a Denver emergency room in cases
>> >> of molestation, 1% had been attributed to GLBT people. The
>> >> overwhelming majority of molestation is inflicted by heterosexual
>> >> relatives and friends. This lie has to stop. FRC and the others quote
>> >> and requote 87% of all cases of pedophilia involve a gay person.
>> >> WHERE do they get this stuff? The one report they keep quoting with
>> >> assurance has been thrown out as sloppy and false work by any expert
>> >> of repute. Yet, the rhetoric they call the truth is robbing GLBT
>> >> people of family, and family of their gay relatives. Destruction of
>> >> family? Yes. For a lie.
>> >>
>> >> 8. Homosexuals are not seriously disadvantaged by discrimination.
>> >> GLBT couples are denied 1,138 rights that a married heterosexual
>> >> couple enjoys under the law. They are discriminated against in the
>> >> military, in families, in churches and in society. That appears to be
>> >> pretty serious disadvantage to me. Imagine, 1,138 rights denied a
>> >> GLBT couple that wants to commit to love and marriage and cannot.
>> >> Count to 1,138 and ask yourself: is this not discrimination?
>> >>
>> >> 9. Homosexuals are less likely to enter into a committed
>> >> relationship, less likely to be sexually faithful to a partner, even
>> >> if they have one, and are less likely to remain committed for a
>> >> lifetime, than are heterosexuals. Chicken or egg? Tell people they are
>> >> less-than and see what you get. Marriage is an institution in which
>> >> couples establish state protected, church ordained, committed
>> >> relationships. And it is denied to GLBT people. Take away marriage
>> >> from heterosexual couples and imagine the results. Oh, we have that,
>> >> heterosexual people living together. They don't seem to have the
>> >> success rate of marriage. Serial heterosexual monogamy.
>> >>
>> >> Marriage brings protection, a stronger bond of commitment and the
>> >> support of family and a community. GLBT people do not enjoy the
>> >> security of legal marriage in all 50 states. They do not grow up
>> >> thinking "who will I marry?". Why bother, it is not a reality (yet).
>> >> So, even when we do extend the right to marry to GLBT people, there
>> >> will be a season of transition. And, in time, there will be the
>> >> similar percentages of success/failure in same-sex marriages as in
>> >> heterosexual marriages.
>> >>
>> >> 10. GLBT people cannot be Christians. I devote an entire blogsite
>> >> Canyonwalker Connections to this issue. The best starting place is the
>> >> VERSES tab. If you believe this myth, you are ignoring a movement of
>> >> God that is exploding around the world. GLBT Christians are growing in
>> >> number, in spiritual maturity, in gifting and it is happening fast.
>> >> The best way to see proof is to visit an affirming congregation. Go
>> >> to www.Welcomingchurches.org <http://www.welcomingchurches.org/> <
>> http://www.welcomingchurches.org/>, call an
>> >> affirming pastor in your area
>> >> from the list and go see what God is doing in His GLBT children. Of
>> >> course they can be Christians.
>> >>
>> >> Lies are evil. Lies breed fear. Myths about people or groups become
>> >> the basis for forming ideology about others. We have done it to
>> >> Native Americans, immigrants over our own history, the Irish, the
>> >> Germans, the Italians, the Jews, the Africans, the Mexicans, the
>> >> Muslims, the Russians, the "others". On and on. If we repeat the myth
>> >> enough, maybe it will gain muddy traction and stick. This is what FRC
>> >> and other Hate Groups do so well. They demonize the gay community. I
>> >> think they actually believe they are good and fighting the good fight
>> >> and hanging on to all that is sacred and holy. But, they are lying.
>> >> That is discrimination. And, while they are doing it, they are causing
>> >> destruction, that is hate. Maybe the public backlash of being
>> >> designated a Hate Group will shame them to reassess their message.
>> >>
>> >> Now, the final word as a Christian. I think there is something worse
>> >> than making the SPLC's Hate Groups List. My first concern would be
>> >> "am I pleasing God?". We all, all, have an image of God in us. We are
>> >> called to love, respect and serve others. We are called to be shining
>> >> lights in which others can see some piece of Jesus. Imagine a
>> >> kicked-out-of-church gay man, a shamed-by-her-family lesbian, a
>> >> suicidal Mormon teen who knows that honesty means losing family and
>> >> church, two men that want desperately to get married and build a
>> >> family, a young bisexual girl who cuts herself in the shame and pain
>> >> of her sexuality and religious oppression. God loves every one of
>> >> these people, the same way He loves me. God, in His Word, and Jesus,
>> >> in His life, told me to treat everyone with equality and love. If the
>> >> church cannot police our own, perhaps God is using secular
>> >> organizations to slap His children upside the head? Would not be the
>> >> first time. I will stand with, beside and in front of my GLBT fellow
>> >> humans to ensure that they gain equality with me.
>> >>
>> >> Family Research Council, you should be more concerned about where you
>> >> are on God's list of naughty or nice, sheep or goats. And Southern
>> >> Poverty Law Center, thank you, really . . . thank you.
>> >>
>> >> More:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://canyonwalkerconnections.com/2010/11/ten-myths-about-the-glbt-community-a-christian-perspective/
>> >> --
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>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
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Alexander: "Do Ask, Do Tell?"

Do Ask, Do Tell?

· Thursday, December 9, 2010

The only legitimate DADT survey is...

"A good moral character is the first essential in a man..." --George Washington
 
 

Now that Republicans have temporarily halted Barack Hussein Obama's effort to increase income taxes, let's see what they can do to stop his effort to undermine the moral character of military combat units.

By way of defining the so-called "don't ask, don't tell" (DADT) debate, let me say that it is not about the sexual habits of consenting adults. This debate is about making the normalization of homosexuality a matter of law in regard to Defense Department personnel, practices and policy.

In order to provide context for this debacle, here is a brief background.

One of Obama's earliest campaign coming-out pledges was his promise to "end discrimination against gays and lesbians" who want military jobs. That "discrimination" was enacted by the Clinton administration and codified as law in Section 654 U.S. Code Title 10, which states, "The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability."

On 12 October this year, DADT policy was subject to an injunction by U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips in California. Phillips, a Clinton appointee, ordered the Department of Defense "immediately to suspend and discontinue any investigation, or discharge, separation, or other proceeding, that may have been commenced" under Section 654.

However, because the Obama administration wants full faith and credit for ending the policy, they actually asked Phillips for a stay of her injunction, which she denied. Obama then appealed to the San Francisco-based Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which agreed to enter a stay so Obama could reclaim his political turf. U.S. appellate courts have consistently upheld this law.

In response, a homosexual advocacy group, Log Cabin Republicans, appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court to vacate (overrule) the stay. In mid-November, SCotUS refused to lift the Ninth Circuit's stay.

In the meantime, trying to beat the courts to the punch so Obama could curry favor with one of his most fervent constituencies, his DoD appointees released a "survey" which they claim justifies lame-duck Senate action to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" before the 112th Congress (with a strong House Republican majority and six more Senate Republicans) is seated. (Soon-to-be-Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi's House had already voted to repeal on 27 May of this year.)

"Today I call on the Senate to act as soon as possible so I can sign this repeal into law this year and ensure that Americans who are willing to risk their lives for their country are treated fairly and equally," Obama said this week.

There is no question that Obama, given the beating he's taken from his heretofore stalwart Leftist cadres on his broken promise to raise taxes, desperately wants to "win" the DADT debate, even though less than one percent of forced military discharges are related to sexual orientation, and the majority of those are, according to DoD, "uncontested and processed administratively."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates lamented that there is a "very real possibility that this change would be imposed immediately by judicial fiat" and noted that such a "disruptive and damaging scenario" would be "most hazardous to military morale, readiness, and battlefield performance."

So if the courts, instead of Obama, lift Section 654, it would be "hazardous to military morale, readiness, and battlefield performance"?

That is quite a revelation from an administration, which, in the Leftist tradition, seeks to use judicial diktat to amend the so-called "living constitution" and wholly subvert Rule of Law as established by our Founders.

For the record, the reliability of that voluntary DoD survey as a catalyst for revoking Section 654, is questionable. Of the 400,000 surveys that were distributed to military personnel and their families, some 115,000 were returned. But that does not constitute an authentic statistically random survey to study of the effect that revocation of DADT would have on frontline military units. That question was not in the survey.

Questionable reliability notwithstanding, the Leftmedia's reports implied that 70 percent of respondents answered that open homosexuality would either have a positive or mixed effect on morale. However, those same results could just as accurately have been reported as 70 percent of respondents answered that open homosexuality would either have a negative or mixed effect on morale. In fact, 30 percent answered "positive" and 30 percent answered "negative," while a plurality answered "mixed."

Gates did, however, admit that there was a much higher level of "discontent, discomfort and resistance to changing the current policy" among combat specialty units and the Service Chiefs, and added, "These findings do lead me to conclude that an abundance of care and preparation is required if we are to avoid a disruptive and potentially dangerous impact on the performance of those serving at the tip of the spear in America's wars."

To that end, I would argue that the DADT survey that matters most would be a scientific survey of combat forces, warfighters and combat veterans, active, reserve and guard. Indeed, if our fighting forces exist for the purpose of winning wars, then unit cohesion and combat readiness must be sacrosanct. Any new policy that would impose a "disruptive and potentially dangerous impact" on those essential attributes must be opposed.

By no means am I suggesting that Uniformed Service in non-combat capacity is any less honorable than serving in the Korengal Valley in eastern Afghanistan but it is combat unit cohesion that is in question.

Complicating matters for Obama is the little-reported fact that, while he is advocating for homosexuals in the military, one who made it through the screening process, PFC Bradley Manning, is facing charges for unauthorized use and disclosure of classified information (UCMJ Articles 92 and 134). Manning will likely face charges of treason after taking it upon himself (with the "moral support" of his "self-described drag queen" partner) to release volumes of classified reports to WikiLeaks info anarchist Julian Assange, who himself may also face charges of espionage if he is extradited to the U.S.

George Washington, Commander of the Continental Army and our first Commander in Chief, offered this timeless observance: "The foundations of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality."

Unfortunately, our current CINC's national policy positions are a reflection of his corrupt, capricious and unprincipled private morality.

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Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. Activate by pressing the blue button.

The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release
button. The opening is self- adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position.

You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator . If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. Press the List Guy
call button on the right of the evaporator . He will secure all facilities from his control panel.

To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you.
On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the
desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe normally.

The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button.
The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in their container.

If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A &amp; B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low,
medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested.

After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation, you wish to change the settings,
place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind
you.


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The Truth About Homosexuality

Good Morning Members,
 
Since TommyTomForNews has accused me of being a Liar";  a "Hater" and a "Smearer"  (whatever the Hell a "smearer" means);  I thought maybe it was time to shed a little light on our Homosexual community.
 
First, in the article that Tom posted, captioned, "The Ten Lies about the GLBT Community Told by Conservative Hate Groups: a Straight Christian Perspective";  and no doubt funded and/or written by the Southern Poverty Law Center,  which suggested that it was all of Western Society's fault that homosexuals are stigmatized.   That in particular, conservatives are the ones that,  "hated" and caused the misrepresentations about homosexuality....That Homosexuality was a wonderful thing, that it was in fact the rest of us who are so misguided;  I suggested two things,  First, that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a Hate Group, and Two:  that the article was no doubt prevaricate (that means a lie TommyTomTom!)  and not truthful.  (That means I am being redundant Tommy!)
 
So,  I will now prove my point:
 

Research into the issue of the origins of homosexuality suggests that adoptive brothers are more likely to both be homosexuals than the biological brothers, who share half their genes which suggests that homosexuality is not genetically caused.  This data prompted the journal Science to report;  "this . . . suggests that there is no genetic component, but rather an environmental component shared in families".

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/262/5142/2063.citation

http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf

However, in regards to psychosocial and biological theories in regards to the origin of homosexuality, Columbia University psychiatry professors Drs. William Byrne and Bruce Parsons stated in 1994: "There is no evidence that at present to substantiate a biological theory. [T]he appeal of current biological explanations for sexual orientation may derive more from dissatisfaction with the present status of psychosocial explanations than from a substantiating body of experimental data".
 
 Homosexual men  have higher rates of suicide and depression than heterosexuals:
 
 
Homosexuals are statistically more deviant than their heterosexual counterparts; e.g.; statistics prove that homosexuals are more apt to commit axe murders than heterosexuals, (and I am paraphrasing) :
 
 
 
 
Here's one for ya Lil'MoonbatTommy,  homosexuals are less prone to school harassment than their heterosexual counterparts:
 
 
Lesbians are more prone to substance abuse than their heterosexual counterparts:
 
 
I could go on and on, shooting bullets in Tommy's little propagandist missive, but I think everyone gets my point.  Tom talks out of his ass, and has never, ever substantiated any of his crackpot Anti-American, Pro-Homsexual theories.
 
Finally, I am not Anti-Gay.  I make no judgments on what an individual does sexually, and behind closed doors.  I am also a strong advocate for ANY individual who has been discrimiated against, because of his race, religious beliefs, or his sexual orientation.  By the same token, I am just as outspoken with regard to individuals and entities who advocate for more rights and privileges than the rest of Americans enjoy,  based solely on their religious beliefs, their sexuality, or the color of their skin.  It is time that all Americans stand up and say, "ENOUGH"  to the likes of Tommy, and all individuals who would harm our Nation, and our civil liberties!
 
 
 
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In 1999, Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, M.D. wrote the following regarding the position of sexual abuse being a contributing factor for homosexuality:

" Many studies demonstrate a sadly disproportionate extent of sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexual men, suggesting at the least that both homosexual unhappiness and homosexuality itself derive from common causes...[1] "

In 2001, the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior published a study entitled Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons. The abstract for this article states the following:

" In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls.[2] "

The authors of the above medical journal article entitled Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons also stated that childhood sexual molestation may not be a causal factor for homosexuality and that the abuse molestation may be occurring after the individual is a homosexual and the medical researchers speculated that the victims of molestation may be engaging in behaviors that put them at greater risk for molestation.[2]

In 1998, Dr. William C. Holmes, M.D. and Dr. Gail B. Slap, M.D. reported in the medical journal JAMA the following:

" Adolescent boys, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual than peers who had not been abused (P<.001). [3]
 
 
 

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Working Replica of Noah's Ark




 



Working Replica of
Noah's Ark opened In SCHAGEN, Netherlands .
   
Man Builds Noah's Ark to the exact scale given in the Bible.  

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The massive central door in the side of Noah's Ark was opened and  the first crowd of curious townsfolk beheld the wonder. This replica of the biblical Ark was built by Dutch Creationist Johan Huibers as a testament to his faith in the literal truth of the Bible.  


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The ark is 150 cubits long, 30 cubits high and 20 cubits wide. That's two-thirds the length of a football field and as high as a three-story house. 
  



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Life-sized models of giraffes, elephants, lions, crocodiles, zebras, bison and other animalsgreet visitors as they arrive in the main hold. 
    


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A contractor by trade, Huibers built the ark of cedar and pine. Biblical scholars debate exactly what the wood used by Noah would have been. 
  

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Huibers did the work mostly with his own hands, using modern tools and with occasional help from his son Roy. Construction began in May 2005. On the uncovered top
 deck .... not quite ready in time for the opening .... will come a petting zoo, with baby lambs and chickens, and goats, and one camel.   

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Visitors on the first day were stunned. 'It's beyond comprehension', said Mary Louise Starosciak, who happened to be bicycling by with her husband while on vacation when they saw the ark looming over the local landscape. 
  

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'I knew the story of Noah, but I had no idea the boat would have been so big! '  There is enough space near the keel for a 50-seat film theater where kids can watch a video that tells the story of Noah and his ark. Huibers, a Christian man, said he hopes the project will renew interest in Christianity in the Netherlands, where church going has fallen dramatically in the past 50 years.
  

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Now that I am old and gray....give me the time to tell this new generation (and their children too) about all of Your mighty miracles.

Psalm 71:18



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