grasp on history, yet it seems that history is solely anti semitic,
did something occur in your youth that caused this intense hate?
On Sep 6, 6:10 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How convenient that it is a "Jewish" problem. This is how it all
> started 80 years ago in Austria and Germany.
> ---
> and 100 years ago in Russia
>
> David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
> January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
> of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
> little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
> they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."14
>
> The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same
> point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud
> immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe
> and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no
> nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the
> existing order of things."
>
> "The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish
> community paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking,
> Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."
>
> Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-
> Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because so many of
> the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia],
> particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia
> who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."
>
> On Sep 6, 3:40 pm, Coach <coachl...@gmail.com> wrote:> How convenient that it is a "Jewish" problem. This is how it all
> > started 80 years ago in Austria and Germany.
>
> > On Sep 6, 11:44 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > great response!
>
> > > we're on the same page
>
> > > I don't have a problem with zionists either ... as long as their
> > > belief in jewish myths doesn't effect US ME policy.
>
> > > On Sep 6, 8:43 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey PlainOl'!
>
> > > > As we have discussed previously, I have no problem with Zionism. None,
> > > > nada. If Jews (or anyone for that matter) want to go prop up in the
> > > > desert, more power to them.
>
> > > > My concerns are similar to yours however. I want the allegiance question
> > > > resolved with anyone who chooses to "Zionate". We cannot have politicians
> > > > (or anyone for that matter) put the welfare of Israel ahead of this
> > > > Nation's interests, and we have seen this happen before, (*See* The Senator
> > > > From Tel Aviv, Joe Liebermann)
>
> > > > I do believe that Israel is an ally of the United States, and should be
> > > > treated accordingly. There is a distinction between placing Israel's
> > > > interests ahead of our own. Just as important, it troubles me that we can
> > > > support some of Israel's policies, when they are clearly in conflict with
> > > > our own interests.
>
> > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:01 AM, plainolamerican
> > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > that you won't accept that the US interventionist policy is a complete
> > > > > failure and supports israel is evidence that you just might be a
> > > > > zionist
> > > > > how's that working for ya?
> > > > > ever had a zionist minister preside over a dead relative who served in
> > > > > the middle east?
>
> > > > > On Sep 5, 9:30 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:09 AM, plainolamerican
> > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > neoconservatives remain a large part of the foreign-policy
> > > > > > > establishment that will wind up staffing any future Republican
> > > > > > > administration
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > Neoconservatism is better described in general as a complex
> > > > > > > interlocking professional and family network centered around Jewish
> > > > > > > publicists and organizers flexibly deployed to recruit the sympathies
> > > > > > > of both Jews and non-Jews in harnessing the wealth and power of the
> > > > > > > United States in the service of Israel. As such, neoconservatism
> > > > > > > should be considered a semicovert branch of the massive and highly
> > > > > > > effective pro-Israel lobby, which includes organizations like the
> > > > > > > America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)—the most powerful
> > > > > > > lobbying group in Washington—and the Zionist Organization of America
> > > > > > > (ZOA). Indeed, as discussed below, prominent neoconservatives have
> > > > > > > been associated with such overtly pro-Israel organizations as the
> > > > > > > Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Washington
> > > > > > > Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), and ZOA.
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 4, 6:37 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Grand Old PeaceniksWill austerity turn Republicans away from war?By
> > > > > W.
> > > > > > > James Antle III | August 31, 2011
> > > > > > > > Fairly or not, Mitt Romney's approach to national security during the
> > > > > > > 2008 presidential race can be captured by a single phrase: "Double
> > > > > > > Guantanamo." When asked about the U.S. prison camp for terror suspects,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > eager-to-please former Massachusetts governor's first instinct was to
> > > > > > > propose super-sizing it like a McDonald's value meal for hungry
> > > > > Republican
> > > > > > > primary voters.
> > > > > > > > That was when Romney was trying to compete with John McCain and Rudy
> > > > > > > Giuliani, both more natural national-security hawks than he. But even
> > > > > as he
> > > > > > > launched his second campaign in 2010 with the release of his bookNo
> > > > > Apology:
> > > > > > > The Case for American Greatness, Romney endorsed in its pages what
> > > > > William
> > > > > > > Kristol and Robert Kagan described in a 1996Foreign Affairsessay as
> > > > > > > "benevolent global hegemony"the idea that if the United States is not
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > world's dominant military and ideological power, the void will be
> > > > > filled by
> > > > > > > countries advancing values that are much worse for peace and human
> > > > > freedom.
> > > > > > > > So it was surprising when at a June GOP candidates' debate in New
> > > > > > > Hampshire, Romney said of the war in Afghanistan, "It's time for to us
> > > > > bring
> > > > > > > our troops home as soon as we possibly can." With this pale imitation
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > "Come home, America," Romney found himself drawn into a critique by his
> > > > > > > former rival McCain and other hawks that the Republican Party was
> > > > > becoming
> > > > > > > too "isolationist."
> > > > > > > > "There's always been an isolation strain in the Republican Party,
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > Pat Buchanan wing of our party," McCain lamented, irritated by
> > > > > Republican
> > > > > > > diffidence over Afghanistan and Libya. "But now it seems to have moved
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > center stage, so to speak."
> > > > > > > > McCain's ally, South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham,
> > > > > concurred.
> > > > > > > He worried to theHillthat it "doesn't take long before the [GOP] finds
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > war-weary nation and exploits it." He fretted about an alliance between
> > > > > Ron
> > > > > > > Paul on the "far right" and Dennis Kucinich on the "far left," though
> > > > > he was
> > > > > > > apparently unbothered by a left-right interventionist coalition
> > > > > consisting
> > > > > > > of himself, McCain, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.
> > > > > > > > Some of this was overblown, even by McCain and Graham's
> > > > > > > characteristically elastic definition of isolationism. TheWeekly
> > > > > Standard's
> > > > > > > Stephen Hayes admitted on Fox News that Romney's mild Afghanistan
> > > > > comment
> > > > > > > "had Republican hawks, policy analysts emailing one another, what does
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > mean? Is he calling for immediate withdrawal?" But Hayes reassured
> > > > > viewers
> > > > > > > at home, "I talked to people who are familiar with his thinking. And
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > said no, look, he misspoke. That's not what he intended to say."
> > > > > > > > TheWashington Post's Jennifer Rubin, quick to spy "unseriousness" in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > form of incipient dovishness upon the part of Republican aspirantslike
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > notorious McGovernites as Mitch Daniels and Haley Barbourabsolved
> > > > > Romney of
> > > > > > > any foreign-policy heterodoxy. While Rubin was initially concerned that
> > > > > "the
> > > > > > > entire GOP field was now hopping on the isolationist bandwagon in some
> > > > > odd
> > > > > > > attempt to scrounge votes from the Ron Paul contingent," Romney and Tim
> > > > > > > Pawlenty ultimately passed her "strong foreign policy" test. (As later
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > Michele Bachmann, who "firmly planted herself at the grown-ups' table"
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > telling theWeekly Standardwe must "stay the course" in Afghanistan.)
> > > > > > > > Pawlenty had taken to lecturing the rest of the Republican field
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > their disturbing "move more towards isolationism," as he toldPolitico.
> > > > > > > Meanwhile, Romney foreign-policy adviser Mitchell Reiss was quick to
> > > > > tell
> > > > > > > Rubin that Romney felt the United States was "under-investing" in
> > > > > national
> > > > > > > defense.
> > > > > > > > It is nevertheless significant that Romney, his finger ever in search
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the primary voter's pulse, has had to defend himself against the charge
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > isolationism. Much of his double-Gitmo chest-beating last time around
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > overcompensating for the perception that he wasn't as gung-ho as the
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > candidates for George W. Bush's foreign policy. At the time,
> > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > journalist David Freddoso pointed out that Romney "is unique among the
> > > > > > > serious Republican presidential contenders because he has never said he
> > > > > > > would do [the Iraq War] all over again, and they all have."
> > > > > > > > In one debate, Romney twice refused to answer when asked if the Iraq
> > > > > > > invasion was a mistake. He called the question "an unreasonable
> > > > > > > hypothetical," a "non-sequitur," and even a "null set," as if it simply
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > not compute. At another debate he drew McCain's harsh rebuke for saying
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > surge was "apparently" working. "Governor, the surge is working,"
> > > > > McCain
> > > > > > > snarled. When Romney protested that was what he had just said, McCain
> > > > > shot
> > > > > > > back, "Not apparently. It's working."
> > > > > > > > In theNew Republic, Eli Lake has reported that Romney's
> > > > > foreign-policy
> > > > > > > advisers are divided. Lake described Reisswho ironically was the man
> > > > > > > dispatched to convince Jennifer Rubin of Romney's hawkishnessas a surge
> > > > > > > skeptic, while Dan Senor, a former spokesman for the Coalition
> > > > > Provisional
> > > > > > > Authority in Iraq who later sent a distress signal to Republican hawks
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > the dovishness of senate candidate Rand Paul, was pro-surge. Reiss and
> > > > > Senor
> > > > > > > still advise Romney today and are similarly at odds over Afghanistan.
> > > > > > > > Yet Reiss's doubts about Hamid Karzai's Afghan government are a far
> > > > > cry
> > > > > > > from mythical isolationism, or even real-world non-interventionism.
> > > > > Other
> > > > > > > than Ron Paul and fellow libertarian Gary Johnson, Jon Huntsman is the
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > Republican presidential
>
> > ...
>
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