I suggest you take a good look at the 14th Amendment again, and at the
recent court rulings on DOMA and Prop 8, and you will see that you are
incorrect.
Civil marriage is not Religious marriage, and I suggest you get that
simple concept through your thick offensive anti-gay animus filled
homophobic skull.
As long as the government codifies civil marriage, all citizens must
be included in those laws equally regardless of gender. Anything less
is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and unjust. Churches are then
free to bless those civil marriages or not as they choose. There are
plenty of Progressive churches that will.
You are repeating your false Reich wing spin, Lil' Keithie Keith.
On 1/8/11, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> DOMA is very much Constitutional, This is where folks try and redefine the
> term and concept of marriage, which is a ecclisastical function. Tom and
> most militant Gays who wish to force their lifestyle down Americans'
> proverbial throats, (Note how Tom defined and described the term "Gay"
> above, yet a few days ago was attempting to claim that the term, "Gay" had
> nothing at all to do with sexuality) want to redefine the term and concept
> of marriage, in order to force their secularist beliefs upon the American
> public.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:27 AM, GregfromBoston
> <greg.vincent@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Tell the president. I did
>>
>> On Jan 7, 9:22 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, Greg.
>> >
>> > I believe that DOMA is indeed unconstitutuional.
>> >
>> > On 1/7/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Well Tom, you just echoed the court on why DOMA is unconstitutional.
>> > > It IS.
>> >
>> > > On Jan 7, 8:22 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> Markie Mark-
>> >
>> > >> Your statements are naive and you are clearly uneducated.
>> >
>> > >> At the time the Constitution was written in the late 18th Century,
>> "gay"
>> > >> simply meant festive, happy, or beautiful, and the term had nothing
>> > >> to
>> do
>> > >> with sexuality whatsoever. Since the term did not refer to
>> same-gendered
>> > >> "friendship", which was the term used for same gender relationships
>> > >> at
>> > >> that
>> > >> time, the term "gay" does not exist in the Constitution at all, as
>> > >> the
>> > >> term
>> > >> as we now use it did not exist. In fact, in the 1780's, Sex was
>> > >> rarely
>> > >> ever
>> > >> discussed or mentioned at all outside of close private encounters
>> between
>> > >> "friends" and couples behind closed doors. The Constitution does,
>> however,
>> > >> state in the 14th amendment that discrimination against any citizen
>> > >> is
>> > >> unlawful: " All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
>> > >> subject to the jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> thereof, are
>> citizens of
>> > >> the United States and of the State wherein they reside.( No ) State
>> shall
>> > >> make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or
>> immunities
>> > >> of
>> > >> citizens of the United States; nor shall any State
>> > >> deprive<glossary.html#DEPRIVE>any person of life, liberty, or
>> > >> property, without due
>> > >> process <consttop_duep.html> of law; nor deny to any person within
>> > >> its
>> > >> jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> the equal protection of the laws."
>> > >> Therefore, the current unequal second calss citizen status of gays in
>> the
>> > >> United States is unlawful, unconstitutional, and discriminatory.
>> >
>> > >> So there you have it, Markie. I hope that this lesson in etymology
>> > >> and
>> the
>> > >> Constitution enlightens you somewhat.
>> >
>> > >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE
>> > >> <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >> > Tommy,
>> >
>> > >> > Please list all rights as enumerated in the Constitution that Gays
>> > >> > (etc) do not have.
>> >
>> > >> > You constantly harp about "RIGHTS" .... You never list them. Just
>> what
>> > >> > are those "Rights" that you feel are absent in your life that
>> > >> > others
>> > >> > have.
>> >
>> > >> > Please DO NOT list "Privileges" or "Licenses" that can only be
>> granted
>> > >> > on a State level.
>> >
>> > >> > ONLY "Rights" are meant to be universal... The different
>> "privileges"
>> > >> > and "licenses" that are left to the "Several States" are not now
>> nor
>> > >> > were they ever meant to be, "Rights".
>> >
>> > >> > Each State is in itself "Sovereign" with local rules being that
>> which
>> > >> > makes a State attractive to one and repulsive to another. (I would
>> > >> > NEVER live in Texas)
>> >
>> > >> > Traffic laws, Domestic violence laws, noise laws, land use laws,
>> > >> > marriage/divorce laws, and even the death penalty laws ALL vary
>> > >> > from
>> > >> > State to State because the "Several States" have the "Right" to
>> > >> > make
>> > >> > it so. They must bow to to will of the people in that State as long
>> as
>> > >> > it does not interfere with one of the Federally Guaranteed and
>> > >> > Constitutionally enumerated "Rights".
>> >
>> > >> > Just which of your Constitutionally Guaranteed and Enumerated
>> "Rights"
>> > >> > are you lacking ??
>> >
>> > >> > I'll wait for the list and your personal explanation for each. Then
>> we
>> > >> > can discuss it.
>> >
>> > >> > I am anxiously awaiting your well thought-out and accurate
>> (remember,
>> > >> > Constitutionally Enumerated "Right") list to begin an earnest
>> > >> > discussion.
>> >
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