Re: Jesus Akbar

Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
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jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he do
something he wouldn't advocate others doing?

On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
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> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
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> > wrote:
> > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud and
> > NT.
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> > pick your poison
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> > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   Jesus Akbar
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> > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian school,
> > > Lipscomb<
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > .>University,
> > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians
> > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says that we
> > all
> > > worship the same god.
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> > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different faiths to get
> > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
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> > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures is indeed
> > a
> > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is that the
> > only
> > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that someone wants
> > to
> > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is ignorant
> > or
> > > a deceiver.
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> > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model their life
> > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed is found
> > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the Islamic
> > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual doctrine. Volf,
> > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. There is a
> > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract that he can
> > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking verses and
> > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull session.
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> > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the Koran
> > says
> > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms and Torah
> > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned.
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> > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and all other
> > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the foundation for
> > the
> > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including Christians). He also
> > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > attacks<
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > .>since
> > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of continuous
> > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are ugly facts
> > in
> > > the face of a beautiful lie?
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> > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the common
> > > good under a single government.*
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> > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The place for
> > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a semi-slave.
> > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > Christianity
> > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. Christianity
> > can
> > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. When
> > Islam
> > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% Christian.
> > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian population.
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> > >  *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing the "our
> > God
> > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors and
> > nations,
> > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
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> > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he
> > destroyed
> > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until the day he
> > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred life).
> > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) followed his
> > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as fast as they
> > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time the
> > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical civilization of
> > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The classical
> > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of Christianity was
> > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year 630 AD
> > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were annihilated by
> > > Islamic jihad.
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> > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the Koran written
> > > in Medina, about
> > > 24%<
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > .>is
> > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
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> > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which frequently
> > > leads to violence."*
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> > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and garnered 150
> > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died every
> > Arab
> > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him successful.
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> > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs and
> > impose
> > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have one set of
> > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics based on
> > the
> > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
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> > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality, which
> > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
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> > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a Golden Rule.
> > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah denies the
> > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the Golden Rule.
> > Do
> > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed treated you
> > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir is
> > treated
> > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
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> > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of jihad and
> > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault or take
> > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look at Islamic
> > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th century, but
> > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
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> > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference organizers, said
> > that
> > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him the perfect
> > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. "He set
> > forth
> > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
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> > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by studying the
> > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, and only
> > one
> > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and Mohammed.
> > Volf
> > > only talks about Allah.
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> > > But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that Volf's
> > > inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and Jewish
> > > theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in Leftist
> > > social justice doctrine, not scriptures.
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> > > Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting along is
> > > for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real members of the
> > > community. "It's not just creating space for them physically," he said.
> > > "You have to create space for them in your own cultural self-perception."
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> > > But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* (Islamic
> > > community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11
> > > verses<
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > .>in
> > > the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a Kafir,
> > > much
> > > less a member of the community.
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> > > Islam comes into our civilization and demands the political Sharia.
> > Notice
> > > that the accommodation is that we submit to the political Sharia and we
> > > have to create a space for it in our culture. And the political Sharia
> > has
> > > a definite space for the Kafir, called dhimmi. What is disgusting is that
> > > Volf makes submitting to political Sharia seem like a blessing to us and
> > > our country.
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> > > There is a certain class consciousness in the article, Volf's Yale
> > elitism
> > > is all over the copy. Why is it that the elites are such believers? Why
> > do
> > > those who understand the threat of Islam and Sharia called "haters" by
> > the
> > > media? The elites control the venue. There is no space in the print
> > media,
> > > except for Islam and its apologists. The knowledgeable opposition never
> > > gets to debate, is never invited to the party. The elites have ruled that
> > > the only views that are legal are Muslims and apologists. Those who
> > > disagree are immoral bigots and Islamophobes.
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> > > Here is the final test of the "we-all-worship-the-same-god" school of
> > > theology. What was the last time that a Christian yelled, "Jesus Akbar"
> > > before he blew himself up? What was the last time that a Muslim yelled,
> > > "Allahu Akbar", before he murdered a Kafir?
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> > > Sure, all gods are the same.
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