Re: Jesus Akbar

a small scourge or whip of reeds or grass
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a whip made of reeds or grass can tear flesh

Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
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opinion noted ... not shared
ok ... here's a couple more:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
But those enemies of mine who do did not want me to be king over them--
bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Trying to defend xianity and judaism while vilifying islam is folly.
They're all violent and cruel to each other.

On Jun 19, 9:19 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> or whip of reeds or grass...  Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> can do no real harm...
>
> The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
> > ---
> > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he do
> > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud and
> > > > NT.
>
> > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >   Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian school,
> > > > > Lipscomb<
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > .>University,
> > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians
> > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says that we
> > > > all
> > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different faiths to get
> > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures is indeed
> > > > a
> > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is that the
> > > > only
> > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that someone wants
> > > > to
> > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is ignorant
> > > > or
> > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model their life
> > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed is found
> > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the Islamic
> > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual doctrine. Volf,
> > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. There is a
> > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract that he can
> > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking verses and
> > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull session.
>
> > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the Koran
> > > > says
> > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms and Torah
> > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned.
>
> > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and all other
> > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the foundation for
> > > > the
> > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including Christians). He also
> > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > attacks<
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > .>since
> > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of continuous
> > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are ugly facts
> > > > in
> > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the common
> > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The place for
> > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a semi-slave.
> > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > Christianity
> > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. Christianity
> > > > can
> > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. When
> > > > Islam
> > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% Christian.
> > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian population.
>
> > > > >  *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing the "our
> > > > God
> > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors and
> > > > nations,
> > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he
> > > > destroyed
> > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until the day he
> > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred life).
> > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) followed his
> > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as fast as they
> > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time the
> > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical civilization of
> > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The classical
> > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of Christianity was
> > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year 630 AD
> > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were annihilated by
> > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the Koran written
> > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > 24%<
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > .>is
> > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which frequently
> > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and garnered 150
> > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died every
> > > > Arab
> > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him successful.
>
> > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs and
> > > > impose
> > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have one set of
> > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics based on
> > > > the
> > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality, which
> > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a Golden Rule.
> > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah denies the
> > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the Golden Rule.
> > > > Do
> > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed treated you
> > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir is
> > > > treated
> > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of jihad and
> > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault or take
> > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look at Islamic
> > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th century, but
> > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference organizers, said
> > > > that
> > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him the perfect
> > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. "He set
> > > > forth
> > > > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by studying the
> > > > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, and only
> > > > one
> > > > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and Mohammed.
> > > > Volf
> > > > > only talks about Allah.
>
> > > > > But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that Volf's
> > > > > inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and Jewish
> > > > > theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in Leftist
> > > > > social justice doctrine, not scriptures.
>
> > > > > Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting along is
> > > > > for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real members of the
> > > > > community. "It's not just creating space for them physically," he said.
> > > > > "You have to create space for them in your own cultural self-perception."
>
> > > > > But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* (Islamic
> > > > > community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11
> > > > > verses<
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > .>in
> > > > > the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a Kafir,
> > > > > much
> > > > > less a member of the community.
>
> > > > > Islam comes into our civilization and demands the political Sharia.
> > > > Notice
> > > > > that the accommodation is that we submit to the political Sharia and we
> > > > > have to create a space for it in our culture. And the political Sharia
> > > > has
> > > > > a definite space for the Kafir, called dhimmi. What is disgusting is that
> > > > > Volf makes submitting to political Sharia seem like a blessing to us and
> > > > > our country.
>
> > > > > There is a certain class consciousness in the article, Volf's Yale
> > > > elitism
> > > > > is all over the copy. Why is it that the elites are such believers? Why
> > > > do
> > > > > those who understand the threat of Islam and Sharia called "haters" by
> > > > the
> > > > > media? The elites
>
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