On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud and
NT.
pick your poison
> Lipscomb<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V...>University,
On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jesus Akbar
>
> Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian school,
> and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony> *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different faiths to get
> and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians
> constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says that we all
> worship the same god.
>
> along is to study their scriptures together."*
>> attacks<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V...>since
> If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures is indeed a
> most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is that the only
> scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that someone wants to
> explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is ignorant or
> a deceiver.
>
> The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model their life
> after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed is found
> only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the Islamic
> sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual doctrine. Volf,
> however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. There is a
> very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract that he can
> construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking verses and
> muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull session.
>
> While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the Koran says
> that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms and Torah
> are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned.
>
> Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and all other
> religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the foundation for the
> murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including Christians). He also
> ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of continuous> *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the common
> persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are ugly facts in
> the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> good under a single government.*
>> Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a semi-slave.
> Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The place for
> History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place, Christianity> *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing the "our God
> dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. Christianity can
> survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. When Islam
> invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% Christian.
> Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian population.
>
> vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors and nations,> magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>> 24%<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V...>is
> Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he destroyed
> civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until the day he
> died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred life).
> After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) followed his
> Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as fast as they
> could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time the
> Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical civilization of
> the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The classical
> church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of Christianity was
> annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year 630 AD
> when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were annihilated by
> Islamic jihad.
>
> And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the Koran written
> in Medina, about
> devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.> *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which frequently
>
> leads to violence."*
>> *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality, which
> Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and garnered 150
> converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died every Arab
> was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him successful.
>
> The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs and impose
> Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have one set of
> rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics based on the
> Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
> But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* (Islamic>
> Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a Golden Rule.
> Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah denies the
> Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the Golden Rule. Do
> the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed treated you
> depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir is treated
> to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of jihad and
> political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault or take
> any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look at Islamic
> Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th century, but
> will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference organizers, said that
> Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him the perfect
> speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. "He set forth
> the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by studying the
> Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, and only one
> criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and Mohammed. Volf
> only talks about Allah.
>
> But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that Volf's
> inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and Jewish
> theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in Leftist
> social justice doctrine, not scriptures.
>
> Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting along is
> for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real members of the
> community. "It's not just creating space for them physically," he said.
> "You have to create space for them in your own cultural self-perception."
>
> community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11> verses<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V...>in
> the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a Kafir,> ------------------------------
> much
> less a member of the community.
>
> Islam comes into our civilization and demands the political Sharia. Notice
> that the accommodation is that we submit to the political Sharia and we
> have to create a space for it in our culture. And the political Sharia has
> a definite space for the Kafir, called dhimmi. What is disgusting is that
> Volf makes submitting to political Sharia seem like a blessing to us and
> our country.
>
> There is a certain class consciousness in the article, Volf's Yale elitism
> is all over the copy. Why is it that the elites are such believers? Why do
> those who understand the threat of Islam and Sharia called "haters" by the
> media? The elites control the venue. There is no space in the print media,
> except for Islam and its apologists. The knowledgeable opposition never
> gets to debate, is never invited to the party. The elites have ruled that
> the only views that are legal are Muslims and apologists. Those who
> disagree are immoral bigots and Islamophobes.
>
> Here is the final test of the "we-all-worship-the-same-god" school of
> theology. What was the last time that a Christian yelled, "Jesus Akbar"
> before he blew himself up? What was the last time that a Muslim yelled,
> "Allahu Akbar", before he murdered a Kafir?
>
> Sure, all gods are the same.
>
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