Re: Is socialism a good thing in moderation?

CHINA, will implode....

How is ANOTHER QUESTION.....OPTION one....

A majorQUAKE strikes the THREE GORGE Dam project....Such a QUAKE IMMEDIATELY THREATENS SHANGHAI down STREAM....Will the AUTHORITIES warn the people in THAT EVENT...

right NOW I really do NOT SEE THAT OCCURRING I can see the NAVY BREAKING AWAY and declaring SHANGHAI and CANTON INDEPENDENT!!! and I see LARGE chunks of the AIR FORCE FOLLOWING SUIT!!!

Option 2)
The CHINESE do have a LARGE MUSLIM population !!!!!!!!
DO NOT FORGET THEM!!!! If they become RESTLESS things turn UGLY FAST!!!!!
THINK the YELLOW TURBIN REVOLT and the NUMBERS in that conflict FAST and THINK..
How will the "GOVERNMENT" respond THEN???????? Governments like CHINA's DO NOT take THREATS LIKE THESE LIGHTLY!!!

People WILL DIE!!! and you will see DEATHS well over 10s of THOUSANDS in a DAY GUARANTEED!!!

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From: Just Plain Jim <chinablix@gmail.com>
To: PoliticalForum <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Is socialism a good thing in moderation?

After visiting China for the first time in 2003, then returning again
in 2004 and moving here since 2006, I have a pretty good handle on the
countries economic health.

You have given the barest assesment based on what could be true but
you have not taken into account their history, demographics ,
culture , tradition , economic growth , way of life nor how the
average citizen thinks.

Nor did you address the tax issue which was one of the reasons I left
the USA.

Nor did you address the issue of my initial question.

The best I can get from you is their economic system is not
sustainable, yet it has defied every negative prediction since Deng
Xioping , Mao's successor when he chucked the communist/socialist
system for a capitalistic/socialistic system.

When he started that program by declairing Shengzheng to be where the
new system would start most of the people were living in poverty.
Today , percentage wise, China's middle class is about equal to ours
with a poor class percentage that is less than ours. This is based on
urban population , rural are obviously not nearly as good but is
moving up.

I could go on and on. No need for that. But when you look at one
indicator and try to make that the bases for your argument , what I
belive to be , your lack of knowledge of todays China , it will
probably fall apart.

May I suggest you read Henry Kissingers book "On China" published last
year. I am no fan of Kissinger , but as an elder statesman with a vast
knowledge of the inner workings of China , it is well worth the read.

Yours Jim

On Jun 7, 10:50 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The real GDP per capita (growth rate) of an economy is often used as
> an indicator of the average standard of living of individuals in that
> country, and economic growth is therefore often seen as indicating an
> increase in the average standard of living. However, there are some
> problems in using growth in GDP per capita to measure the general well-
> being of a country´s population. In fact, GDP was first developed by
> Simon Kuznets for a US Congress report in 1934, who immediately said
> not to use it as a measure for welfare. First, GDP per capita does not
> provide much information relevant to the distribution of income in a
> country. Second, GDP per capita does not take into account negative
> externalities such as pollution consequent to economic growth. Third,
> GDP per capita does not take into account positive externalities that
> may result from services such as education and health. Finally, GDP
> per capita excludes the value of all the activities that take place
> outside of the market place such as free leisure activities or less
> positive activities like organized crime.
>
> On Jun 6, 3:24 am, Just Plain Jim <chinab...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I lived in a country, the USA that wears its capitalism on its sleeve.
> > That is till the last six years were I now live in the PRC, commonly
> > known as China, a retired vet working part time here.
>
> > What I have learned over these years is that major industries and
> > services are jointly owned by the government and private enterprise,
> > and that small businesses are privately owned.
>
> > This seems to have created a check and balance system within big
> > business where the good of the country and private investors is
> > protected while encouraging competition.  They have also seemed to
> > have created a system that allows small businesses flourish. This has
> > also created shared profits where the tax burden on the people seem to
> > be far less.
>
> > While the political and social impacts are obvious in their system,
> > nevertheless this is not about that, this is about an economic system
> > that enjoys 9% growth for the last few decades and that I believe we
> > should take a few pages out of their economic playbook and learn to
> > beat them at their own game.
>
> > What are your thoughts?

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