Thursday, March 22, 2012

Re: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation Hate Crime in Suicide of Tyler Clementi

Tommy,

I am quite sure that privacy is not something one can or does expect
in a Dorm. Mr. Clementi KNEW he had a problem and asked to be moved...
he refused thereby placing himself in a known position.

The appeals court will certainly see it differently. Juries tend to
allow emotion to enter the verdicts.


On Mar 21, 1:13 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Little Markie Mark-
>
> The facts:
>
> A jury convicted a former Rutgers University
> student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his
> roommate kissing another man in their dorm room.
>
> Deny that and YOU are the liar.
>
> On Mar 19, 9:09 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tommytomtom,
>
> > I listed facts and logic that emanated from the trial and you say false. If
> > that is true then your claim is also "False".
>
> > You have, by calling the trial facts "false", just called yourself a "liar".
>
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > False.
>
> > > On Mar 16, 12:26 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > First, I agree with Plainol on this one....mark those calendars.
>
> > > > Next let me say that this was a shared room with (in my view and in my
> > > > experience) no expectation of privacy. It was not a stranger that
> > > > videoed the infamous act that was so shameful it lead to suicide, but
> > > > someone with every right to do in that room that which he pleased and
> > > > I am sure that this will be mentioned on appeal and accepted.
>
> > > > Mr. Clementi invited his special friend back to the room KNOWING that
> > > > he was being monitored... so much for fear and "bullying". He could
> > > > have simply moved as he requested and then refused.  Sounds more like
> > > > he was "bullying" himself and looking for a reason to off himself.
>
> > > > If you don't like yourself and what you are doing how can you possibly
> > > > expect, or in the case of the gay community and Tommytomtom, demand
> > > > that others do? Its just all so much bullshit.
>
> > > > On Mar 16, 10:33 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > wow, record this date .. someone other than a white person found
> > > > > guilty of a hate crime
>
> > > > > On Mar 16, 11:08 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation in
> > > > > > Suicide of Tyler Clementi
>
> > > > > > Defendant Guilty in Rutgers Case
>
> > > > > > Matt Rainey for The New York Times
> > > > > > Dharun Ravi, center, and his lawyers, Philip Nettl, left, and Steven
> > > > > > Altman at Superior Court in Middlesex County, N.J., on Friday.
>
> > > > > > By KATE ZERNIKE
> > > > > > Published: March 16, 2012
>
> > > > > >  NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. —A jury convicted a former Rutgers University
> > > > > > student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his
> > > > > > roommate kissing another man in their dorm room.
>
> > > > > > Follow us on Twitter and like us on Facebook for news and
> > > conversation.
> > > > > > The jury also found Mr. Ravi guilty of tampering with evidence and
> > > > > > witnesses for trying to change Twitter and text messages in which he
> > > > > > had encouraged others to watch the webcam.
>
> > > > > > Mr. Ravi's roommate, Tyler Clementi, jumped to his death from the
> > > > > > George Washington Bridge three days after Mr. Ravi viewed him on the
> > > > > > webcam. The case became a symbol of the struggles facing gay, lesbian
> > > > > > and bisexual teenagers and the problem of cyberbullying in an era
> > > when
> > > > > > laws governing hate crimes have not kept up with evolving technology.
>
> > > > > > Mr. Ravi looked down but did not seem to react as the jury forewoman
> > > > > > read the verdict. Mr. Clementi's parents and family sat with arms
> > > > > > around each other, leaning forward as they listened to the forewoman
> > > > > > speak.
>
> > > > > > Mr. Ravi, 20, was not charged in Mr. Clementi's death. .
>
> > > > > > The jury of seven women and five men deliberated for about two days,
> > > > > > following more than three weeks of testimony.
>
> > > > > > The case was rare because almost none of the facts were in dispute.
> > > > > > Mr. Ravi's lawyers agreed that he had set up a webcam on his
> > > computer,
> > > > > > then gone into a friend's room and viewed Mr. Clementi kissing a man
> > > > > > he had invited to his room three weeks after arriving at Rutgers in
> > > > > > September 2010. Mr. Ravi sent Twitter and text messages telling
> > > others
> > > > > > what he had seen, and urged them to watch a second viewing, then
> > > > > > deleted messages after Mr. Clementi killed himself.
>
> > > > > > That account had been established by a long trail of electronic
> > > > > > evidence — from Twitter feeds and cellphone records, dormitory
> > > > > > surveillance cameras, dining hall swipe cards and a "netflow"
> > > analysis
> > > > > > showing when and how computers in the dormitory connected.
>
> > > > > > What the jury had to decide, and what set off debate outside as well
> > > > > > as inside the courtroom, was what Mr. Ravi and Mr. Clementi were
> > > > > > thinking at the time.
>
> > > > > > Did Mr. Ravi set up the webcam because he had a pretty good idea that
> > > > > > he would see Mr. Clementi in an intimate moment? Did he target Mr.
> > > > > > Clementi and the man he was with because they were gay? And was Mr.
> > > > > > Clementi in fear?
>
> > > > > > Without Mr. Clementi to speak for himself, that last question was
> > > > > > perhaps the most difficult to determine, and questions the jurors
> > > sent
> > > > > > from their deliberation room suggested they struggled with it.
>
> > > > > > The prosecution had pointed out that Mr. Clementi had checked Mr.
> > > > > > Ravi's Twitter feed — where Mr. Ravi told others he had seen his
> > > > > > roommate "kissing a dude" — 38 times in the days after the first
> > > > > > webcam viewing. Records showed that Mr. Clementi had gone online to
> > > > > > request a room change, and a resident assistant testified that Mr.
> > > > > > Clementi had complained to him.
>
> > > > > > But the defense argued that if Mr. Clementi had felt intimidated, he
> > > > > > would have accepted when the resident assistant offered him another
> > > > > > place to stay, and he would not have invited his boyfriend back to
> > > the
> > > > > > room.
>
> > > > > > Mr. Clementi's suicide came up only in passing during the trial, when
> > > > > > a lawyer asked the boyfriend how he had learned of Mr. Clementi's
> > > > > > death. The man, who testified under tight cover and was identified in
> > > > > > court only as M.B. because he was considered a victim in the case,
> > > > > > testified that he had read about it in a newspaper, as the suicide
> > > > > > prompted international attention.
>
> > > > > > Still, the death defined the trial, turning what might have been a
> > > > > > peeping Tom case or, as the resident assistant said, "a roommate
> > > > > > issue" into something far more grave.
>
> > > > > > Mr. Clementi's parents, brothers and a huddle of friends sat on one
> > > > > > side of the courtroom. On the other sat Mr. Ravi's parents, who
> > > > > > brought him here from India when he was young, and their friends,
> > > > > > including several who had served as character witnesses for Mr. Ravi,
> > > > > > testifying he was not biased against gays.
>
> > > > > > The testimony painted a picture of two college freshman, both from
> > > top
> > > > > > performing high schools in well-off suburbs, who could not have been
> > > > > > more different. Mr. Clementi was shy and reserved, an accomplished
> > > > > > violinist who had only recently told his parents he was gay. Mr. Ravi
> > > > > > was a boastful computer wizard and ultimate Frisbee player who
> > > > > > communicated with friends constantly via Twitter, text message and
> > > > > > iChat.
>
> > > > > > Mr. Ravi's lawyers argued that he was "a kid" with little experience
> > > > > > of homosexuality who had stumbled into a situation that scared him.
> > > > > > M.B., who was 30 at the time, had made him nervous, the lawyers
> > > > > > argued, so he set up his webcam to keep an eye on his belongings. Mr.
> > > > > > Ravi, they argued, was being sarcastic when he had sent messages
> > > > > > daring friends to connect to his webcam, or declaring that he was
> > > > > > having a "viewing party."
>
> > > > > > But prosecutors argued that his frequent messages mentioning Mr.
> > > > > > Clementi's sexuality proved that Mr. Ravi was upset about having a
> > > gay
> > > > > > roommate from the minute he discovered it through a computer search
> > > > > > several weeks before they arrived at Rutgers in fall 2010.
>
> > > > > > More:
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/nyregion/defendant-guilty-in-rutger...
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > Tommy
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > > Have a great day,
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