Tuesday, July 5, 2011

Re: There is No First Amendment Without a Second Amendment.

[the second amendment is] an individual right, unconnected with
service in a milita. - US Supreme Court, June 8, 2008.

That much is settled

On Jul 5, 8:19 am, Sharon Fuentes <oneforentr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark was it that or so that we could call up a militia?  Do you know which
> of the Federalist papers dicuss this issue?  It seems some 20+yrs ago in
> poli-sci we discussed this in context of a Federalist paper.  But old  age
> stress and a lot crap has diluted my memory.
>
> Thanks
> S
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:50 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Remember.... the Second amendment is in place not so we can repel
> > invaders whether home or national border... it is there so we can
> > protect ourselves from our own government.
>
> > On Jul 3, 8:33 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > **
> > >     <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/>
> > There
> > > is No First Amendment Without a Second
> > > Amendment.<
> >http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/there-is-no-first-a...>
> > > *Steve <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/>*
> > |
> > > July 3, 2011 at 4:27 am | Tags: Alan
> > > Caruba<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=alan-caruba>,
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> > > Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear
> > > Arms<
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> > > Michael Bloomberg<
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> > > Obama administration<
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> > > Second Amendment
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> > > Like AMEX, Don 't Leave Home Without It.
>
> > > *A very timely reminder of just how and where we came from. And the
> > > Consequences of ever giving up your second amendment right. Happy 4th Of
> > > July, It's up to us to have many more.  ~Steve~*
>
> > > *Reposted From Tea Party Nation.*
>
> > >http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPos...
>
> > > Posted by Alan Caruba<
> >http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/profile/AlanCaruba>on
> > > July 2, 2011 at 5:00pm
>
> > > Send Message <http://l/> View Alan Caruba's
> > > blog<http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/list?user=wo5vy0y6lr5s>
>
> > > By Alan Caruba
>
> > > When we celebrate the Fourth of July<
> >http://www.history.com/topics/july-4th>,
> > > let's keep in mind that the first
> > > Americans<http://www.history.com/topics/states>won their independence
> > > from England with the force of arms. It was, in fact,
> > > a British effort in 1775 to confiscate military arms they believed were
> > > stored in Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts that sparked the war.
>
> > > The Founding Fathers were so aware of the need for an armed citizenry
> > that,
> > > after ensuring freedom of religion, speech, press and the right to
> > > peacefully assemble in the First Amendment, the Second guaranteed their
> > > right to bear arms.
>
> > > Wherever authoritarian regimes were established in the last century, they
> > > took away this right and then proceeded to kill those deemed enemies of
> > the
> > > state.
>
> > > At this point in American history, the Obama
> > > administration<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/obama-administration
> > >constitutes
> > > a threat to the Constitution in general and the Second
> > > Amendment<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co..
> > .>in
> > > particular.
> > > *More than 80,000,000 Americans are gun owners.*
>
> > > Two of the organizations that have been fighting to protect these rights
> > are
> > > the Second Amendment
> > > Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation
> > >(SAF)
> > > and the Citizens
> > > Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear
> > > Arms<
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Committee_for_the_Right_to_Keep..
> > .>(CCRKBA),
> > > both led by Alan M. Gottlieb. Three quarters of the SAF budget is
> > > devoted to defending rights pertaining to the ownership of guns and to
> > carry
> > > them for self-defense.
>
> > > In March, the Huffington Post had an article titled "Obama Looking for
> > Ways
> > > Around Congress on Gun
> > > Policy"<
> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_83..
> > .>by
> > > Sam Stein. "Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions
> > > of
> > > Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential
> > > changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive
> > action,
> > > administration officials, say."
>
> > > *Since then we have learned of a U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and
> > > Firearms<http://www.atf.gov/>program, Fast and Furious, that actually
> > > facilitated the sale and transfer
> > > of guns to Mexico. How demented is that?*
>
> > > In May in my home state of New Jersey the SAF won a decision against
> > > officials for the deprivation of civil rights under the color of law when
> > > they had ruled that an applicant for a concealed carry permit had not
> > > demonstrated a "justifiable need" for it. In point of fact, the
> > applicant,
> > > Philip Muller, had been kidnapped by members of a motorcycle gang who
> > > threatened to kill him. They had, however, grabbed the wrong man.
>
> > > Despite support by local and state police, action on his application was
> > > delayed for six months. Morris County Superior Court Judge David Ironson
> > > issued a directive that a permit should be granted. The case is still
> > > on-going with other plaintiffs that include a part-time sheriff's deputy,
> > an
> > > applicant who carries large amounts of cash in his private business, and
> > a
> > > civilian employee of the FBI with legitimate concerns of an attack from a
> > > radical Islamic group.
>
> > > Currently nearly thirty such cases have either been brought or joined by
> > SAF
> > > to stop abuses of this most fundamental right of American citizens
> > ranging
> > > from bans on interstate handgun sales, New York Mayor Michael
> > > Bloomberg<http://www.biography.com/articles/Michael-Bloomberg-16466704
> > >'s
> > > imposition of a $340 fee for a permit to keep a handgun in one's home,
> > and a
> > > Chicago ban on gun ranges open to the public. These cases cost between
> > > $60,000 and $80,000 each!
>
> > > *The greatest single threat to gun ownership right now is a United
> > Nations
> > > "Small Arms Treaty" falsely identified as an "international arms control
> > > treaty" allegedly to fight terrorism."*
>
> > > "In reality," says Gottlieb, it is "a massive, global gun control scheme.
> > > It's a sham. It's a fraud." If the U.S., under the Obama administration
> > and
> > > with the consent of the Senate, were to sign on to this treaty, it would
> > > nullify the Second Amendment.
>
> > > Suffice to say that the Obama administration wants to have the power to
> > > increase federal fees on guns and ammunition, to ban guns that are
> > imported,
> > > to extend the waiting periods for permits, to ban the use of guns on all
> > > government property, and even to make it illegal if you own a gun and
> > smoke!
>
> > > Americans do not have to "justify" gun ownership. It is guaranteed by the
> > > Second Amendment. The reality is that enemies of this fundamental rights
> > > continue to wage an assault on it.
>
> > > For information about SAF visithttp://www.saf.org/andCCRKBA athttp://
> >www.ccrkba.org/.
>
> > > © Alan Caruba, 2011
>
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