On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:49 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just don't know what to say, other than this:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II_30_IV.html
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
On May 3, 10:42 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg, The fed is not given the right to control immigration, just to see
> that migration "between the states" is unfettered, but the States are.....
> they simply may not control movements at "Interstate" crossings... there is
> no limit placed at ports of foreign entry for the states.
>
>
>
>
> > Want better schools ?? move east
> > -------------------------
>
> > East of me is the ocean.
>
> > Point taken, and I have made the same point RE Dept of Education is
> > illegal BECAUSE of the very amendment you cite.
>
> > But on one hand, MJ claims, the US govt has no power over immigration,
> > because its not explicit in the constitution (Naturalization,
> > schmation), and that the FDA is illegal, yet then goes on to purport
> > that no, explicit constitutional authority is not requisite.
>
> > Allllllllllllllllll-righty then!
>
> > On May 3, 10:27 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Greg,
>
> > > ALL things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as the
> > > responsibility of the Federal Government was to be left to the States to
> > > each deal with separately.
>
> > > What most people do not, or refuse, to see is that the USA was always
> > meant
> > > to be a union of 50 separate and sovereign states. Each very distinct and
> > > offering to its citizens that which suited its specific citizens most.
> > There
> > > was never an intension of "One law for all".
>
> > > Citizens (and only citizens of the several states) were to be allowed to
> > > travel freely between the states, There was to be no import/export tax
> > > between the states only at ports handling foreign trade ...(the biggest
> > > failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the main reason for the new
> > > Constitution, and Lincolns excuse for Ft. Sumter...tax collection). Only
> > the
> > > President is elected by all and only he was meant to be responsible at
> > > large. It is the responsibility of Congressmen to represent their
> > > constituency only (pork was just fine as deals had to be made that would
> > get
> > > enough votes...there was very little Federal money to go around),
> > Senators
> > > were originally designed to represent the needs of their state only under
> > > the guiding hand of each governor. The Feds were responsible for only a
> > VERY
> > > LIMITED military (basically the "officer corps") with the "standing army"
> > > made up ENTIRELY of the forces supplied by the states (thus the need to
> > > "Declare War" only by Congress assembled as their constituents were to be
> > > "called up")
>
> > > Laws about food safety, drugs, taxes, social welfare, medical, schools,
> > etc.
> > > are the absolute responsibility of each separate state ..... separately.
> > > This is what would make different states attractive to different people
> > and
> > > cause migration from one to another of both people and industry. States
> > were
> > > allowed to sue one another over (literally) bad things flowing
> > > downstream...this was the interstate control factor... the federal
> > courts.
>
> > > That these things are now dealt with by the Feds is indeed a usurpation
> > of
> > > and by the Feds.
>
> > > Want better schools ?? move east, The Feds were never meant to make
> > things
> > > equal... the states were never meant to be equal, all laws were never
> > meant
> > > to be equal....
>
> > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
>
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> > > > On May 2, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > You're being silly.
> > > > > Where in the constitution does it say government has the power
> > > > toregulatefood and drugs?
> > > > > Nowhere ... yet ANOTHER usurpation.The very reason for the US Code
> > (laws)
> > > > is to pick up where the
> > > > > constitution leaves off, AND to limit where it doesn't
> > > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > > > Jeffrey Tucker, Ditch the PlannersNo one so much as suggested such a
> > > > thing as the US Code in the first hundred years after the US
> > Constitution
> > > > was enacted. It would have been only a little longer than the
> > Constitution
> > > > itself. The first attempt to create such a compilation of laws occurred
> > in
> > > > 1878 but it languished because no one felt the need to update it. Then
> > in
> > > > 1926, in the midst of Prohibition when the feds became deeply involved
> > in
> > > > regulating the details of life, Congress made the thing come into
> > existence.
> > > > It is printed every six years.An institution was born, though most
> > people
> > > > know nothing of it. The next printing will come out in 2012, but the
> > 2006
> > > > with annotations was 356 thousand-plus-page volumes that cover every
> > aspect
> > > > of life as we know it. The next one will add many new sections and
> > probably
> > > > more than 100,000 pages.This is America's central plan -- or
> > ownGosplan, so
> > > > to speak -- and it is as elaborate and detailed as any set of laws that
> > have
> > > > ever governed any society in the history of the world. Much of this
> > central
> > > > plan is absorbed into our daily lives in ways that we don't notice or
> > aren't
> > > > aware of. This is supplemented by an additional layer of state and
> > local
> > > > regulations that have been pushed on these governments by higher
> > government
> > > > or grew up from within to adapt the central-planning ethos to the
> > particular
> > > > circumstances of place and time. The effect is the same: life amidst an
> > > > impossibly tangled legal thicket that grows more elaborate and complex
> > by
> > > > the day.It defies human comprehension but it is not without human
> > effect.
> > > > Every aspect of our lives is subjected to it from birth to death. Every
> > > > product we buy, every service we use, every decision we make is
> > filtered
> > > > through this morass. You can try this on your own by going
> > > > togpoaccess.govand typing in anything from chicken stock to funerals,
> > and
> > > > observe the state at work, managing the whole of life as we know it in
> > the
> > > > most minute detail one can imagine. Think of anything and search it,
> > and
> > > > then see if you think we enjoy "free enterprise."Regard$,
> > > > > --MJ"It is hard for the plain people to think about a thing, but easy
> > for
> > > > them to feel. Error, to hold their attention, must be visualized as a
> > > > villain, and the villain must proceed swiftly to his inevitable
> > retribution.
> > > > They can understand that process; it is simple, usual, satisfying; it
> > > > squares with their primitive conception of justice as a form of
> > revenge….
> > > > [The average reader] is not at all responsive to purely intellectual
> > > > argument, even when its theme is his own ultimate benefit…. But he is
> > very
> > > > responsive to emotional suggestion, particularly when it is crudely and
> > > > violently made, and it is to this weakness that the newspapers must
> > ever
> > > > address their endeavors. In brief, they must try to arouse his horror,
> > or
> > > > indignation, or pity, or simply his lust for slaughter. Once they have
> > done
> > > > that, they have him safely by the nose. He will follow blindly until
> > his
> > > > emotion wears out. He will be ready to believe anything, however
> > absurd, so
> > > > long as he is in his state of psychic tumescence." -- H. L. MenckenOn
> > Apr
> > > > 30, 3:50 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > That Government has AGAIN usurped Power nowhere provided it
> > > > notwithstanding, your claim makes no sense.
> > > > > > What about all those seeking to exercise their right to migrate who
> > > > have ZERO interest in Naturalization? Oh well.
> > > > > > Here is the Constitution:
> > > >http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txtNowhereisCongress
> > empowered
> > > > to make any laws/rules or otherwise concerning Immigration.
> > > > > > It is a necessity for the Nanny State to infringe rather than
> > secure
> > > > this right which is why we see this usurpation occurring at the outset
> > of
> > > > the (unconstitutional) Nanny State.
> > > > > > Regard$,
> > > > > > --MJ"Bryan Caplan has a damn good argument against the welfare
> > state:
> > > > Its existence will always be raised as a reason why free immigration
> > cannot
> > > > be permitted. Thus the theory of human rights is set against itself.
> > The
> > > > winner is power." -- Sheldon RichmanAt 12:26 PM 4/30/2011, you wrote:Oh
> > for
> > > > christ's sake MJ, controlling how people can become citizens
> > > > > > once they get here certainly includes whether or not then can get
> > > > > > here, and what we can do when they do.
> > > > > > Here is the US Code, as constitutionally enacted by Congress.
>
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