Thursday, May 19, 2011

Re: Empty Ritual is stymieing America’s hopes

Only as seen by those who are deluded, Jonathan. Ha, ha, HA! — J. A.
A. —

On May 13, 7:02 pm, Jonathan <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> For the last time. I want to abolish government. Without government,
> there can be no social engineering - such as YOUR New Constitution is
> intent upon doing.
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> On 05/13/2011 02:13 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
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> > J. Ashley:  Somehow, in your miniscule mind, you suppose that nothing
> > can function without someone in government pulling the strings.  Then,
> > tell me, guy: How did the USA become an industrial giant before there
> > were any income taxes, and before any "liberals" started telling
> > others how everything needs to be done?  If a business is run,
> > corruptly, don't work there or purchase there.  For someone who
> > advocates ANARCHY (no government) you sure do have a lot of
> > "government dependent� ideas, non of which are part of the SPIRIT of
> > my New Constitution.  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
> > On May 12, 2:04 pm, Jonathan<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  wrote:
> >> John,
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> >> Your entire New Constitution is unenforcible "social engineering."
> >> Neither you nor anyone else will ever be able to mandate "fair play." If
> >> it were possible, everyone would obey speed limits. No one would cut
> >> someone else off in traffic. I could go on, but even your simple brain
> >> should be able to grasp the concept.
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> >> Socialism has been equated with democracy for at least 100 years. "The
> >> tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with
> >> the most advanced democracy." [Encyclopedia Britannica, circa 1913]
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> >> On 05/12/2011 08:55 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
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> >>> Dear J. Ashley:  Either you can't read (likely) or you have no earthly
> >>> idea what socialism and communism are.  When I mandate in my New
> >>> Constitution that "Fair play and democracy shall have supremacy in the
> >>> USA", both socialism and communism are forever outlawed from
> >>> consideration by government!  Somehow, you got it in your very small
> >>> head that 'fairness' can only mean that everyone gets identical pieces
> >>> of the pie.  *** But THAT would involve STEALING from the rich to give
> >>> to the lazy, good-for-nothing, opportunistic "poor".  Thus, your
> >>> notion of "fairness" isn't fair, nor is it a democracy�because the
> >>> power is put into the hands of the "winning" majority, rather than
> >>> being allocated to all the people (on demand) on EACH and EVERY
> >>> issue!  My document requires 60% of "the people" to agree before any
> >>> direct vote of the people can have the force of law.  And every
> >>> previous law that passed by fewer that 55% (probationary) is struck
> >>> down.  That means that Obama Care doesn't meet the vote requirement
> >>> and would be struck down.  But Obama Care would have already been
> >>> barred from consideration for being "Social Engineering" and an
> >>> attempt to change the USA into a socialist-communist nation.  Nancy
> >>> Pelosi, Harry Reid, and about 75% of the leftist Democrats who
> >>> proposed such things would already have been HANGED for treason!
> >>> Jonathan, trust me that NO GROUP will have the power to sway the House
> >>> (There will be no more unconstitutional "Senate".) on anything.  Power
> >>> is vested in the individuals!  Group lobbying for anything becomes a
> >>> felony.  I realize that this is tough-love for the government.  But
> >>> its the only way to FORCE decisions to be for the good of the country,
> >>> rather than� what most increases the chances career politicians can
> >>> keep getting elected.  ï¿½ John A. Armistead �  Patriot
> >>> On May 11, 10:37 pm, Jonathan<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>    wrote:
> >>>> How can you not see that what you are proscribing is socialism/communism?
> >>>> On 05/11/2011 05:18 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Jonathan:  No!  Only "schemes" that have the strings being pulled
> >>>>> by government would be socialist.  My New Constitution includes these
> >>>>> and other protections to require "fairness" (not... equality) from
> >>>>> businesses:
> >>>>> "Businesses and professions shall be fair to their employees and to
> >>>>> their customers.  The wages, benefits and perks, as well as the
> >>>>> charges that are made for goods and services, shall not be
> >>>>> discriminatory nor exploitive of any person, group nor class, nor
> >>>>> shall such be overly influenced by the profit motive of those who
> >>>>> perform no actual work on an ongoing basis.  Fair and honest business
> >>>>> practices require that management be forthright with employees and
> >>>>> customers without coercion."
> >>>>> And... "Only laws, rules, regulations and procedures that are in the
> >>>>> best interest of the People and the world environment shall be passed,
> >>>>> enacted or enforced, and no business contrary to such shall be allowed
> >>>>> to prosper."  Note:  It is definitely in the best interest of the
> >>>>> people to be treated fairly by employers.  If an employee isn't
> >>>>> treated fairly, he or she can sue for damages in civil court.  A
> >>>>> business, such as a tobacco company, which sells unfiltered cigarettes
> >>>>> in foreign countries isn't acting in the best interest of the people
> >>>>> (of the world), and thus can be fined until the bad practices stop.
> >>>>> No business can mistreat people badly, anywhere, and have the USA just
> >>>>> look the other way!  ï¿½ John A. Armistead �  Patriot
> >>>>> On May 11, 1:47 pm, Jonathan<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>> John,
> >>>>>> By "fair" I assume you mean "equality of terms; equity; as the fairness
> >>>>>> of a contract."
> >>>>>> How do you propose to accomplish such fairness? Any scheme of equalizing
> >>>>>> the social conditions of life is socialism/communism - the very thing
> >>>>>> you "claim" to abhor.
> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> On 05/10/2011 10:22 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear Jonathan: In any economic system there are good and bad points.
> >>>>>>> Executive compensation, that has sometimes been at the expense of the
> >>>>>>> workers cranking out the products, should be based on what is fair,
> >>>>>>> not just who the supposed leaders of the corporations are.  Wal-Mart
> >>>>>>> started out giving financial incentives to the managers of the stores,
> >>>>>>> until the wife of the founder insisted that workers would do a better
> >>>>>>> job, and stay on those jobs longer if there was a profit sharing
> >>>>>>> plan.  A black janitor retired after forty or so years with the
> >>>>>>> company and had several million dollars in the bank.  That sort of
> >>>>>>> fairness doesn't sound like socialism, now, does it.
> >>>>>>> I can't speak for Donald Trump, but in order to get quality labor for
> >>>>>>> building quality real estate properties�as he knows so well how to do�
> >>>>>>> the compensation needs to be tops.  In the long run, everyone in the
> >>>>>>> employment hierarchy will benefit when fairness reigns for those at
> >>>>>>> the bottom or at the top.  ï¿½ John A. Armistead � Patriot.
> >>>>>>> On May 10, 11:59 am, Jonathan<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>        wrote:
> >>>>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>>> Repeat after me: Donald Trump is a socialist. From a 2009 interview
> >>>>>>>> about whether there should be executive pay limits:
> >>>>>>>> Larry King: Is Obama right or wrong to go after these executives with
> >>>>>>>> salary caps?
> >>>>>>>> Donald Trump: Well, I think he's absolutely right. Billions of dollars
> >>>>>>>> is being given to banks and others. You know, once you start using
> >>>>>>>> taxpayer money, it's a whole new game. So I absolutely think he's right.
> >>>>>>>> That's socialism Einstein.
> >>>>>>>> On 05/09/2011 11:38 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Republican presidential contenders are gearing-up to fight-it-out for
> >>>>>>>>> the right to run against� �Obama� in 2012.  Every one of those should
> >>>>>>>>> be required to answer this question: �Is it FAIR to have hugely
> >>>>>>>>> expensive primaries spread over months, with the most �power� going to
> >>>>>>>>> the voters in the corn state of� Iowa?  Answer:  Hell NO!  Nor is it
> >>>>>>>>> FAIR to allow political parties to have any say-so, whatsoever,
> >>>>>>>>> regarding who the contenders can be, and how the country will be run
> >>>>>>>>> once the �winning party� has been decided.
> >>>>>>>>> Rep. Ron Paul, that sunken-cheek retread from the 2008 election, has
> >>>>>>>>> already raised a million dollars�probably earmarked for brown-nosing
> >>>>>>>>> the farmers of Iowa for a chance to become President.  Paul�s early
> >>>>>>>>> polling lead among the announced candidates has him positioned much as
> >>>>>>>>> he was four years ago.  The same anti-war, less-government crowd who
> >>>>>>>>> filled his coffers with hard cash, must still be impressed by his
> >>>>>>>>> unwavering positions on most issues.  When Paul withdrew in 2008, he
> >>>>>>>>> said, �Elections are over quickly.  Winning a revolution will take a
> >>>>>>>>> bit longer.�  But instead of leading a revolution, Paul settled back
> >>>>>>>>> into business as usual in our broken and corrupt, party-dominated
> >>>>>>>>> government.  Anyone so corrupted could never lead this country in the
> >>>>>>>>> new direction needed.
> >>>>>>>>> Judge Andrew Napolitano, filling in for a flagging Glenn Beck, asked a
> >>>>>>>>> guest this question: �Who among the possible Republican presidential
> >>>>>>>>> candidates do you think Barack Obama would LEAST like to run
> >>>>>>>>> against?�  The answer to that question isn�t as important as the fact
> >>>>>>>>> Napolitano is so matter-of-fact that Barack Obama will still be in
> >>>>>>>>> office, let alone be a candidate for President in 2012.  My above
> >>>>>>>>> average computer graphics experience leads me to conclude that both of
> >>>>>>>>> Obama�s purported birth certificates are bogus.  *** In a very public
> >>>>>>>>> and straightforward way, the US Secret Service should conduct a
> >>>>>>>>> definitive investigation of all �birther� issues, lest they continue
> >>>>>>>>> to �protect� a scoundrel who isn�t a bona fide
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