Hey Dick.
We're dealing with an idiot. It didn't dawn on me until a few days ago, but "idiot" he is.....Not really worth my time in even responding to anymore.....
Sorry I missed your call Mark, I dozed off. (But your call woke my ass up!!)
A death in the (extended) family, I am looking at traveling back to Tampa next week, before I go to Seoul.
More later,
Keith
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:01 AM, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
So gays who do not choose to wear condoms and therefore end up with AIDS are not supposed to be reminded that had they worn condoms they would not have gotten AIDS is homophobic, insulting and a vicious attack. That is pathetic. You sound as if you do not want to blame gays for anything they do no matter how stupid or unreasonable and then use that as the basis for calling anyone who disagrees homophobic, insulting and viciously attacking. Even more pathetic.
On 02/11/2011 05:40 PM, Tommy News wrote:
Yet another homophobic, insulting, vicious attack, in clear violation
of this group's rules, decorum, and mission statement.
On 2/11/11, Mark<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
TommyTomTom,
Condoms are worn for a plethora of reasons.... like to stop the spread of
STDs other than HIV.
Like I said the promiscuity of the gay community has still not slowed EVEN
WITH THE INFO YOU WOEFULLY SAY WAS LACKING THEY ARE STILL INFECTING EACH
OTHER AT THE RATE OF OVER 17,000 CASES PER YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let the stupid bastards die, do not spend one cent of my tax dollar on an
idiot.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Markie Mark-
You're an idiot.
This happened before it was widely known that condoms prevented most
HIV infections. If Reagan had opened his mouth and told people that,
many lives would have been spared. Instead, he let his Fundie henchman
proclaim that AIDS was God's punishment on those thousands who became
sick and died.
Reagan, by his silence, is responsible for all the lives that were
lost. Their blood is on his hands.
On 2/8/11, Mark<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
HEY TOMMY !!!!!your
They were too stupid to wear a CONDOM ?????? Or were they waiting for
proposed and prayed for nanny-state to help them on with one ????wrote:
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Keith In Köln<keithintampa@gmail.com
wrote:
You're an idiot.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com>
ofReagan took about six years before he even mentioned the term "AIDS".
His fundie beliefs backed up his homophobic friends like Jerry
Falwell, etc. who went around screaming and preaching that gays
deserved to die and AIDS was their punishment from God. Reagan
abandoned his gay friends from Hollywood in favor of Conservative
politics.
During those years of silence, thousands of deaths and many thousands
of infections could have been prevented if Reagan had simply spoken
out, and ordered prevention, treatment, and research. Reagan was
indeed directly responsible for all those deaths and infections due to
his inaction and silence.
Ronnie did NOTHING while thousands of people died.
Nothing beats diversity, especially when it's a diversity of
scary-stupid.
On 2/7/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Shit Tommy, I can't get a 20 dollar hooker to screw me without a
condom yet 17,000 more gays per year are infected in the US because
upthis simple item....
Again..... Why should I care about an IDIOT ???
On Feb 7, 4:57 pm, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ronald Reagan's Real Legacy: Death, Heartache and Silence Over AIDS
by Karen Ocamb on February 6, 2011 | 12:12 PM
Reagan AIDSgate poster via ACT UP New York
America is gushing Sunday over former President Ronald Reagan in
recognition of what would have been his 100th birthday. Produced by
Reagan groupies, the long-weekend celebrations at the newly primped
Reagan Library and Museum in Simi Valley are glitzy and reverent
evocations of an imagined man.
In this white-washed version of history, Reagan, not Soviet Prime
Minister Mikhail Gorbachev (remember "glasnost," "perestroika,"
and
the impact of Levis, Coke and "Dynasty"?) is credited with "tearing
down" the Berlin Wall; the trillion dollars in debt Reagan wracked
Iran-Contraduring his "conservative" presidency is ignored; "supply-side" or
"trickle-down" economics" still works, even though
theory-originator
David Stockman says it doesn't; the Reagan-approved secret
revelingscandal was patriotic, not subversive; and he is still the "Great
Communicator" – who conned working-class "Reagan Democrats" while
catering to the rich, creating a huge surge in homelessness,
freein unchecked deregulation and extolling union-busting with the mass
firing of the over-worked, striking PATCO flight controllers – even
before there were trained replacements.
After the depraved Vietnam War, the perennial dark and disgraced
Richard Nixon, the short-term Gerry Ford and the confusing Jimmy
Carter (who orchestrated the Middle East Peace talks but couldn't
"ah-shucks"the Iran hostages or prevent long gas lines) – Reagan, the
thebad B-movie actor (Bedtime for Bonzo), huckstered his scripted
"vision" of "Morning in America" viewed from some exceptional shiny
city on the hill. Reagan was the imaged Mount Rushmore president,
asright wing conservatives' longed-for King Arthur who would crush
the
Democratic Dream of FDR and the Kennedys and anyone who believed in
social and economic justice promised by the "counter-culture"1960s.
He'd already proven his anti-Communist bona fides appearing in 1947
Committee.a friendly witness before the House Un-American Activities
botherFor LGBT people, Ronald Reagan's presidency was the far different
"mourning in America." And unlike Nixon who was forced to resign
for
covering up the political Watergate scandal, Reagan didn't even
communicablecovering up his cold disdain, his deliberate neglect, his abject
refusal to help gay men stricken in 1981 by a strange new
case.disease that turned out to be AIDS. But there was no "AIDSgate" for
Reagan; the White House agreed with the Religious Right that gays
deserved what they got – they deserved to die.
Rev. Jerry Falwell, head of the Moral Majority, said, "AIDS is the
wrath of God upon homosexuals." Patrick Buchanan, Reagan's Press
Secretary, said AIDS was "nature's revenge on gay men." Antigay
Gary
Bauer, Reagan's domestic policy advisor, kept Surgeon General C.
Everett Koop (selected because he was an anti-abortion Christian
fundamentalist) away from Reagan:
"[In 1986] President Reagan asked the surgeon general to prepare a
report on AIDS as the United States confirmed its ten-thousandth
theLeaders of the evangelical movement did not want Koop to write the
report, nor did senior White House staffers who shared Koop's
evangelical convictions. As Dr. Koop related to me, "Gary Bauer
[Reagan's chief advisor on domestic policy] … was my nemesis in
Washington because he kept me from the president. He kept me from
hadcabinet and he set up a wall of enmity between me and most of the
people that surrounded Reagan because he believed that anybody who
ofAIDS ought to die with it. That was God's punishment for them."
In his extraordinary book And The Band Played On about the early
history of the AIDS epidemic, gay journalist Randy Shilts, who
later
died of AIDS, wrote that two events dramatically changed the course
Koop.AIDS in America. The first was the announcement that closeted gay
movie star Rock Hudson had AIDS and the second was the report by
CDCIn an interview with me for the 25 anniversary of the June 5, 1981
hearingreport of six gay men with what turned out
Rock Hudson - publicity photo
to be AIDS, Hudson's publicist Dale Olson said Reagan called his
longtime friend in July 1985 when Hudson was in a Paris hospital
desperately looking for a cure for AIDS. Nonetheless, the "Great
Communicator" remained silent. It's not as if Reagan was unaware of
AIDS by then: on April 23, 1984, the CDC had reported 4,177 case
and
1,807 deaths – something that came to the attention of the National
Democratic Convention when a candlelight vigil of more than 100,000
people marched from the Castro to Moscone Center.
California Rep. Henry Waxman, who held the first congressional
Loson the disease at the Gay and Lesbian Community Services Center in
31,Angeles in 1983, wrote Washington Post in late 1985:
"It is surprising that the president could remain silent as 6,000
Americans died, that he could fail to acknowledge the epidemic's
existence. Perhaps his staff felt he had to, since many of his New
Right supporters have raised money by campaigning against
homosexuals."
Reagan finally mentioned the word "AIDS" in October 1986 and was
virtually forced to deliver his first major speech on AIDS on May
Hudson1987 on the eve of the Third International Conference on AIDS in
Washington. He was the invited by Elizabeth Taylor to speak at a
fundraiser for the American Foundation for AIDS Research, which
tohelped start with a $250,000 grant given to Taylor. (Here's a link
andReagan's entire speech.) Outside the tented-event were protesters
stanceyet another candlelight vigil.
Shilts wrote about Reagan's 20-minute speech:
"Reagan's program, of course, would do very little to actually stop
the spread of AIDS. Though testing heterosexuals at marriage
license
bureaus created the illusion of action, very few of thse people
were
infected with the virus and very few lives would be saved. But then
saving lives had never been a priority of the Reagan
administration.
Reagan's speech was not meant to serve the public health; it was a
political solution to a political problem. The words created a
adherents;that was politically comfortable for the president and his
America,it was also a stance that killed people. Already, some said that
Ronald Reagan would be remembered in history books for one thing
beyond all else: He was the man who had let AIDS rage through
placedthe leader of the government that when challenged to action had
hadpolitics above the health of the American people."
And not once did Ronald Reagan utter the word "gay."
Shilts:
"By the time President Reagan had delivered his first speech on the
epidemic, of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, 36,058 Americans
causedbeen diagnosed with the disease; 20, 849 had died."
Photo from WebMD's history of AIDS
-www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/slideshow-aids-retrospective
On the USAID website, the statistics read:
"In 2009, 33.3 million people around the world were living with
HIV/AIDS. More than 60 million people have been infected with HIV
since the pandemic began. AIDS is the leading cause of death in
Sub-Saharan Africa, and the fourth leading cause of death
globally…..Almost 5,000 people die every day due to AIDS. AIDS
public1.8 million deaths in 2009. An estimated 25 million people have
died
from HIV-related causes since the beginning of the pandemic….There
were 2.6 million new HIV infections in 2009, or almost 7,200 people
per day."
The terrible irony for LGBT people is that in the very beginning of
the epidemic there was hope that Ronald Reagan would DO something.
There was precedent for the government acting quickly to stem a
rushedhealth crisis. In 1976, just five years earlier, the government
Initiativeto stop an outbreak of Legionnaires disease at an American Legion
convention in Philadelphia.
(Corrected) And perhaps even more importantly, in 1978, as former
governor of California, Reagan publicly opposed the Briggs
and– the antigay measure proposed by associates of Rev. Jerry Falwell
hearAnita Bryant. Opposition by the hugely popular governor helped
significantly in the measure's defeat. As a result, Reagan received
gay support in his presidential bid against Jimmy Carter in 1980,
as
well as the more effective Religious Right.
But once in office, Reagan turned his back on the gay friends and
staff he and his wife Nancy had known for years.
Most historians and political pundits will look at the ripple
effect
Reagan's two terms in office – from 1981-1989 – continues to have
on
American politics. But for many LGBTs, myself included, I cannot
effectivelythe man's name without thinking of so many other names now
Paulwiped from the collective memory – names like Michael Callen and
theMonette and Connie Norman and Wayne Karr. So many names – and with
each name, memories of joy and rage and a kind of spirituality in
confronting death with dignity – in spite of the government's
disgusting deliberate neglect.
Names Project AIDS Quilt - via WebMD
-www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/slideshow-aids-retrospective
Former President Ronald Reagan died on June 5, 2004 – 23 years to
wasday when the CDC's first report on AIDS appeared. Reagan had
apparently been living in seclusion with Alzheimer's Disease — the
progressive disease that causes loss of memory and mental
abilities.
People gushed for a week remembering the "Great Communicator" who
politicalentombed at his grand presidential library and museum like a
whatElvis: Simi Valley as the political Graceland. There his groupies
gather again, while those of us who remember his legacy of horror,
neglect and death still struggle with an un-ending heartbreak of
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