Friday, February 11, 2011

Re: The poor are not getting poorer

On Feb 10, 11:04 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > Victimized? By these invented 'crimes' or something else?
> > Government -- LEGITIMATE Government -- secures rights <period>.
> And people with more money get their rights secured faster by
> government.
> So your problem is with Government.

And Libertarians don't want a government?
Since when?

> What MJ isn't telling you about Libertarianism:
> the fact that Libertarianism weighs the different rights afforded to
> people.
> i.e. Walmart (or any business) could put up a sign saying; Blacks Not
> Served (or any other variant to the theme).
> He would argue that people would decide where to shop, and that
> Walmart would suffer the consequences of doing so.
> Maybe, maybe not.
> But certainly people would be inconvenienced, and much more time and
> money wasted in compliance or non compliance than is currently.
>
> I said nothing about Libertarianism -- which does not 'weigh' rights anyhow.
> Not certain WHAT your example is supposed to relate.

You don't have to say anything about Libertarianism, call it whatever
you want, or just don't call it all, it's still Libertarianism.
My examples relate to realities people face, not Utopian theories.

ha-ha...which is why there is no Libertarian in office.
Ignoring something = ignorant.

> Sam Walton has a right to his life (yes, he is dead, but for the example ...)
> Black Patron has a right to his life.
> IF Sam Walton did NOT want to serve Black Patron, it is certainly his right. (That he is far more interested in 'green' would necessarily overcome such bias notwithstanding).
> Black Patron has no right to FORCE Sam Walton to 'serve' him (slavery).
> Similarly, Sam Walton has no right to FORCE Black Patron to buy from him.
>    "There is only one boss--the customer. And he can fire
>     everybody in the company from the chairman on down,
>      simply by spending his money somewhere else" -- Sam Walton.

And yet you're doing exactly what I said Libertarians do, they weigh
the rights.
Of course what I didn't mean was to suggest other political parties
don't do the same thing, they do.
It's just that you put a single entity above the masses of individuals
rights to acquire the same goods and services that anyone should have
the right to, and ignore the added costs and time to people to acquire
said goods and services.

It doesn't have to stop at Black Patron, it could be White Patron,
Christian Patron, not-from-my-town Patron, poor Patron, long-hair
Patron, people-who-wear-glasses Patron, etc. etc. etc.
So you're going to send cops to enforce all of those?
You're going to need a mighty big police state to do that.
Curious how such a large police state will happen after Libertarians
gut government?

> Minimum wage only ensures that someone MUST be paid at least X.
> > It does not guarantee employment.  In fact, those worth LESS than
> > X will not be employed.
> Half true.
> The part of the Civil War that many people overlook is the fact that
> many northerners were out of work precisely because of the low cost of
> slavery.
> Lincoln's War is irrelevant to the Minimum Wage.

It's completely relevant to employment though.

--
Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum

* Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/
* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.
* Read the latest breaking news, and more.

No comments:

Post a Comment