Yes or No.
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Mark M. Kahle H.
-- On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future President".He simply wanted to take credit, as many oportunistic Republican
politicians do.
This demonstrates the hypocricy and oportunistic political
flip-flopping of Republican politicians at its worst.
On 10/21/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yet the deal was struck and everyone had signed based on Georgy Girls work
> and completed negotiations prior to Nobama having any thing to do with it...
> go figure.
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No.
>>
>> Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future
>> President".
>> He simply wanted to take credit, as many opportunistic Republican
>> politicians do.
>>
>> On 10/21/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>> >
>> > You forget that I require facts.... This deal was being negotiated a
>> > full
>> > year before Obama was even in the primary elections let alone a real
>> > candidate for the Democrats. Nobama had "0" to do with it... General
>> > Petraeus was the impetus after the success of the "Surge" and with the
>> > insistence of the new Iraqi Government as well.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> False.
>> >>
>> >> The Faux deal was signed because President Obama was about to do it
>> >> and Dubya wanted the credit.
>> >>
>> >> On 10/21/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Tommy,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am NOT a fan of Georgy Girl Bush. He did however cut and sign the
>> >> > deal to end Iraq before he left office. NoBama is simply implementing
>> >> > the republican signed plan.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Oct 21, 7:36 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I cannot open adobe documents on my old computer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bush himself admitted that there were no WMDs in Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was in reality a personal Bush family
>> >> >> vendetta against Sadaaam Hussein, who tried to kill Daddy Bush,
>> >> >> combined with the war profiteering greed of Dick Cheney and his
>> >> >> Halliburton cronies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The unilateral invasion of Iraq violated both the Geneva Convention
>> >> >> and The United Nations Charter, and the war criminals Bush, Cheney,
>> >> >> Rove, Rice, and Rumsfeld should be impeached, tried and imprisoned.
>> >> >> Yes, they can still be impeached even after they have left office.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thankfully, President Obama has ended the illegal Iraq war, and he
>> has
>> >> >> promised to also end the war in Afghanistan beginning in 2011.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PEACE!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Whoops! I forgot to attach the attachment!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Apologies!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Keith
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Keith In Tampa
>> >> >> > <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hey Michael,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Maybe that great Irish American, Jude Wannanski might want to
>> >> >> >> take
>> >> >> >> up
>> >> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> research, and resources with John Negroponte, and the United
>> States
>> >> >> >> Congress. (*See* Attachment, in .pdf format, from June 21,
>> >> >> >> 2006).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Below is info from the Congressional Research Office, of the
>> >> >> >> weaponry
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> was unaccounted for, and at the time that we invaded Iraq, none
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> these
>> >> >> >> biological weapons had been located. Again, *See*
>> Attachment....We
>> >> did
>> >> >> >> find some of them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Below that, is other articles that conclusively prove that not
>> only
>> >> did
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> discover that there had been biological weaponry and potential
>> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> weaponry in Iraq, but we still, to date, have not accounted for
>> all
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> Saddam Hussein's and the Baath Party's weaponry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anything else, is nothing but far left, liberal mainstream spin
>> and
>> >> >> >> bias,
>> >> >> >> which folks like Tom fall for and quote, hook, line and sinker.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tommy, there is some "special" information for you, as well as a
>> You
>> >> >> >> Tube
>> >> >> >> video clip for you to watch at the bottom of this message:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ===========
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> From the Congressional Research Service: April, 1998:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Iraq has also acknowledged that prior to the
>> >> >> >> Persian<http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html#
>> >Gulf
>> >> >> >> conflict it
>> >> >> >> manufactured 100 botulinum bombs, 50 anthrax bombs, and 7
>> aflatoxin
>> >> >> >> bombs.
>> >> >> >> In addition, 16 missile warheads were filled with botulinum, five
>> >> with
>> >> >> >> anthrax bacillus, and four with aflatoxin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> U.S. and British intelligence agencies believe that Iraq has
>> hidden
>> >> >> >> stores of CBW agents, production equipment, ballistic missiles,
>> and
>> >> >> >> missile warheads. UNSCOM has reported no firm evidence that Iraq
>> >> still
>> >> >> >> retains weapons or materiel, but the Iraqi government has not
>> >> provided
>> >> >> >> adequate evidence to support its claim that all its CBW arsenal
>> has
>> >> >> >> been
>> >> >> >> destroyed, nor has it accounted for CBW production materials
>> >> >> >> known
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> been in its possession. These factors, coupled with Iraqi
>> >> >> >> obstruction
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> UNSCOM inspections, have led to strong suspicions. U.S. and
>> British
>> >> >> >> intelligence agencies believe that Iraq still may possess tons of
>> >> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> >> warfare agents and the necessary materials to produce thousands
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> liters
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> biological agents. UNSCOM and U.S. intelligence differ in their
>> >> >> >> estimates
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the number of actual missiles that may still be in Iraq. Again
>> >> >> >> information
>> >> >> >> is sketchy. In part, this is because much is classified, but
>> >> >> >> even
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> classified information is reportedly incomplete. A recent report
>> >> issued
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> the British government, however, provided some information
>> (Foreign
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> Commonwealth Office --
>> >> >> >> (http://193.114.50.5/texts/1998/feb/04/iraqppr.txt).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- British intelligence believes that up to ten SCUD missiles
>> >> >> >> capable
>> >> >> >> of carrying CBW warheads remain hidden.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- UNSCOM reports that between 40-70 CBW-capable missile warheads
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- Iraq possessed enough growth medium to produce over 16,000
>> liters
>> >> >> >> more
>> >> >> >> anthrax spores than has been acknowledged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- 4,000 tons of CW precursor chemicals are unaccounted for;
>> enough
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> produce several hundred tons of CW agents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- 31,000 CW munitions remain unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- Essential CW production equipment remains unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- It is believed that Iraq may retain undetermined amounts of
>> Ebola
>> >> >> >> virus, bubonic and pneumonic plague bacteria, and the toxin
>> >> >> >> ricin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ========================
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thursday, 19 December, 2002, 16:35 GMT
>> >> >> >> *Iraq's 'unaccounted for' weapons*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> By Paul Reynolds
>> >> >> >> BBC News Online world affairs correspondent
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2590265.stm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has said Iraq's new
>> declaration
>> >> >> >> contains little information that had not been declared by Baghdad
>> >> >> >> before
>> >> >> >> 1998 when UN arms experts were last in Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The US and UK have long had concerns about what is described as
>> >> >> >> unaccounted
>> >> >> >> for chemical, biological and nuclear material. Their assessments
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> partly
>> >> >> >> based on a report by the weapons inspections organisation Unscom,
>> >> >> >> predecessor to Unmovic.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In early 1999, Unscom gave the Security Council its own
>> >> >> >> assessment
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> what
>> >> >> >> Iraq had destroyed and what remained unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The US and UK want a full explanation of what happened to the
>> >> >> >> following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - 360 tonnes of chemical warfare agents, including 1.5 tonnes
>> of
>> >> VX
>> >> >> >> nerve agent;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - 3,000 tonnes of chemical precursors (which are developed
>> >> >> >> into
>> >> >> >> chemical weapons) including 300 tonnes uniquely used for VX.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The 1999 Unscom report said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "According to Iraq, 1.5 tonnes of VX were discarded unilaterally
>> by
>> >> >> >> dumping
>> >> >> >> on the ground. Traces of one VX-degradation product and a
>> >> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> >> known
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> a VX-stabilizer were found in the samples taken from the VX dump
>> >> sites.
>> >> >> >> A
>> >> >> >> quantified assessment is not possible."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *Biological*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Britain and America want to know about:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Growth media for 20,000 litres of biological warfare agents. Any
>> >> Iraqi
>> >> >> >> claims that this will have degenerated will not be accepted as
>> >> mustard
>> >> >> >> gas
>> >> >> >> found in shells in 1997 was active;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Shells for use in biological warfare - 20,000 are missing say the
>> >> >> >> British,
>> >> >> >> 15,000 say the Americans;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unscom said in 1999:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "The commission has little or no confidence in Iraq's accounting
>> for
>> >> >> >> proscribed items for which physical evidence is lacking or
>> >> >> >> inconclusive,
>> >> >> >> documentation is sparse or nonexistent, and coherence and
>> >> >> >> consistency
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> lacking.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> These include, for example: quantities and types of munitions
>> >> available
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> biological weapons (BW) filling; quantities and types of
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> filled
>> >> >> >> with BW agents; quantities and type of bulk agents produced;
>> >> quantities
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> bulk agents used in filling; quantities of bulk agents destroyed;
>> >> >> >> quantities
>> >> >> >> of growth media acquired for the programme; and quantities of
>> growth
>> >> >> >> media
>> >> >> >> used/consumed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In addition, the commission has no confidence that all bulk
>> >> >> >> agents
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> been destroyed; that no BW munitions or weapons remain in Iraq;
>> and
>> >> >> >> that a
>> >> >> >> BW capability does not still exist in Iraq."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *Chemical warfare munitions*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Washington and London demand disclosure on:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 6,000 chemical warfare bombs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unscom said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The commission has accepted the destruction of about 34,000
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> the basis of multiple sources, including physical evidence,
>> >> >> >> documents
>> >> >> >> provided by Iraq etc. However, it has not been possible to
>> >> >> >> achieve
>> a
>> >> >> >> numerical accounting of destroyed munitions due to heavy bomb
>> damage
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> CW storage
>> >> >> >> facilities<
>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>,
>> >> >> >> where these munitions had been stored during the Gulf war. The
>> >> >> >> destruction
>> >> >> >> of about 2,000 unfilled munitions remain uncertain, 550 filled
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> remain unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Other key concerns for the US and UK include the following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - Why did Iraq try to import 60,000 aluminium tubes? Rapidly
>> >> >> >> spinning
>> >> >> >> rotor tubes in centrifuges are used to separate weapons grade
>> >> >> >> uranium,
>> >> >> >> though both the British and American reports acknowledge that
>> the
>> >> >> >> tubes
>> >> >> >> could be used for conventional weapons as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why did it try to import other equipment, including vacuum
>> >> >> >> pumps<
>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>,
>> >> >> >> a winding machine and special chemicals needed in gas
>> >> >> >> centrifuge<
>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> >> .>cascades?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =============================================
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I don't think there is any argument, by anyone who keeps abreast
>> of
>> >> >> >> current
>> >> >> >> affairs and world events, that all of the Western World believed
>> at
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> time
>> >> >> >> of the United States' invasion of Iraq, that Saddam Hussein
>> >> possessed
>> >> >> >> biological and chemical weapons, and was attempting to obtain
>> >> >> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> weaponry. Hell, we, (MNO's from Germany, the United States and
>> >> >> >> Great
>> >> >> >> Britain) sold them to Hussein and his government! Anthrax, VX
>> nerve
>> >> >> >> agent,
>> >> >> >> and a variety of other weapons of mass destruction were never
>> >> accounted
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> by Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party led Iraqi government, as
>> late
>> >> as
>> >> >> >> 2003.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/wmd_5-29.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As stated, I attached a declassified file from the United States
>> >> Senate
>> >> >> >> where 500 canisters for missile armament tips of nerve agent
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> found
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> 2006.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No major media outcry over that. Hardly a peep from mainstream
>> >> >> >> media
>> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> 550 metric tons of yellow cake was recently shipped to Canada
>> from
>> >> >> >> Iraq,
>> >> >> >> just this year:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/07/07/msm-yawn-550-met.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-elliott/weapons-of-mass-destruc.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/2003/203/pe42
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> read more »
>> >> >
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark M. Kahle H.
>> >
>> > --
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>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>>
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> Mark M. Kahle H.
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Have a great day,
Tommy
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