On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
No, Joe Lieberman and other Indies are not Democrats, and cannot be
counted as one.
Wrong again.
On 12/9/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> There I stand by all I said. There are 60 votes (you must include the two
> Ind. Senators and Joe Biden) for ANY good cause that the Dems want.
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Markie Markie Markie
>>
>> So you are saying that Dumbya's illegal undeclared war in Iraq was
>> imaginary and did not happen?
>> You are a pathetic denier.
>>
>> Your math is also off. 59 votes is not 60 votes, and the Un-American
>> Republicans are abusing the 60 vote cloture rule on every bill to make
>> The President fail, their top agenda.
>>
>> Wrong again, dearie.
>>
>> On 12/9/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>> >
>> > War has not been declared since WWll, The first responders on 9/11 had
>> > insurance coverage, and Obama (your boy) is fighting to KEEP DADT in
>> > the courts.
>> >
>> > Just how are ANY of these items a "Republican" problem when the Dems
>> > have 60 senate votes for any GOOD cause and three simply don't
>> > vote ??? Do you really think they didn't know the result BEFORE the
>> > vote ??
>> >
>> > On Dec 9, 7:28 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Grand Obstructionist Republicans Block DADT Repeal, Vote No to helping
>> >> 9/11 Responders, Vote to Extend Bush Tax Cuts to the Wealthy, and Vote
>> >> No to Funding the Troops in a Time of War Putting Troops in Danger.
>> >> This is More Sickening and Disgusting Behavior From the GOP. Vote them
>> >> ALL out of office in 2012.
>> >>
>> >> Senate vote kills repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'
>> >>
>> >> The Senate on Thursday killed repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell"
>> >> ban on openly gay members of the military, delivering a blow to
>> >> President Obama one week after a Pentagon study urged an end to the
>> >> Clinton-era ban.
>> >>
>> >> Although last-ditch efforts were underway to try another avenue to
>> >> repeal the ban before Congress adjourns for the year, the procedural
>> >> vote likely ends for the foreseeable future the possibility that the
>> >> 17-year-old ban can be repealed legislatively, leaving the matter to
>> >> the courts.
>> >>
>> >> A lawsuit by the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay conservative group, that
>> >> challenges the ban is before the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
>> >> in San Francisco, which is expected to issue a ruling sometime next
>> >> summer.
>> >>
>> >> The 57-40 vote to move ahead on the defense authorization bill, which
>> >> contained the repeal, fell three votes short of the 60 needed to
>> >> overcome a Republican filibuster.
>> >>
>> >> Obama issued a statement saying, "As commander in chief, I have
>> >> pledged to repeal this discriminatory law." He urged continued efforts
>> >> to repeal the law this year.
>> >>
>> >> Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., said they
>> >> would try to move a stand-alone bill, but it faces the same procedural
>> >> roadblocks that killed the much more popular defense bill. Sen. John
>> >> McCain, R-Ariz., has been blocking the defense bill since spring
>> >> because it would repeal the ban on gays, lesbians and bisexuals
>> >> serving openly in the military.
>> >>
>> >> The Human Rights Campaign, a pro-gay lobbying group, demanded that
>> >> Obama act unilaterally to cease defense of the ban in court, and halt
>> >> discharges of gay and lesbian troops under an emergency "stop-loss"
>> >> military order put in place by the George W. Bush administration,
>> >> which prevents troop discharges in case of military need.
>> >>
>> >> The Department of Justice has been defending the ban in court as a
>> >> matter of U.S. law. But Human Rights Campaign spokesperson Fred Sainz,
>> >> said decisions about which laws to defend are "a subjective judgment
>> >> made by every administration. They are not under an obligation to
>> >> defend every law and have not."
>> >>
>> >> Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called for a vote on the
>> >> repeal bill knowing it would fail. He said Republicans kept changing
>> >> their demands on the parameters of the debate of the defense bill and
>> >> concluded they would continue blocking the bill.
>> >>
>> >> Repeal supporters believed they had enough Republican votes to pass
>> >> repeal of the gay ban if the broader defense bill had reached a floor
>> >> debate.
>> >>
>> >> Last week, the Pentagon weighed in strongly in favor of repeal,
>> >> issuing the results of an exhaustive, 10-month study, which included
>> >> surveys of active-duty troops and focus groups. The study found that
>> >> lifting the ban would not harm military effectiveness, unit cohesion
>> >> or other measures of military prowess.
>> >>
>> >> Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of
>> >> the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified to Congress last week urging
>> >> repeal and warning that if Congress does not act, the courts will.
>> >>
>> >> McCain, who once said he would go along with the results of the study,
>> >> called it flawed and cited continued resistance by combat troops in
>> >> the Army and Marines, as well as special operations forces, to serving
>> >> with gay troops.
>> >>
>> >> Obama, who many times promised gay groups that repeal would happen on
>> >> his watch, had personally phoned GOP Senators urging repeal. Collins
>> >> and Lieberman had been trying to broker an agreement with Reid on how
>> >> much time and how many amendments would be allowed for debate on the
>> >> defense bill.
>> >>
>> >> Collins rushed to the Senate floor just as Reid finished announcing
>> >> that he would call up the bill, accusing him of sabotaging repeal.
>> >>
>> >> "There was such a clear path for us to be able to get this bill done
>> >> and I am perplexed and frustrated that this important bill is going to
>> >> become a victim of politics," Collins said. "Sen. Lieberman and I have
>> >> been bargaining in good faith with the majority leader."
>> >>
>> >> Collins said she thought she had an agreement to allow a debate with
>> >> 10 GOP amendments and five Democratic amendments.
>> >>
>> >> A senior Democratic aide said Reid had given Collins plenty of ground
>> >> but that she had rejected the offer of 15 amendments. The Senate was
>> >> running out of time and Collins was offering no clear path around
>> >> continuing GOP obstruction, the aide said, adding that Reid had
>> >> offered an open amendment process on the defense bill earlier in the
>> >> year but Collins refused then to go along.
>> >>
>> >> Reid was backed by Senate Armed Services Committee chair Carl Levin,
>> >> D-Mich., who said the clock had run out.
>> >>
>> >> The vote kills for this session of Congress the entire defense bill -
>> >> the first time that has happened in 48 years. It also contained a pay
>> >> increase for the military and many other components.
>> >>
>> >> Republicans had insisted that their deal with Obama on tax cuts be
>> >> resolved before proceeding to any other business, including the
>> >> defense bill.
>> >>
>> >> Repeal of the ban had passed the House earlier this year, but
>> >> Republican leaders who will assume control of the House in January
>> >> have said they have no intention of bringing up repeal when they take
>> >> control for the next two years. The next chance Democrats have to
>> >> control the House is in the 2012 elections.
>> >>
>> >> Gay-rights groups erupted in outrage over the vote, but Aubrey Sarvis,
>> >> executive director of the Service Members Legal Defense Network, held
>> >> out hope that the effort was not dead.
>> >>
>> >> Christopher Neff, deputy executive director of the Palm Center, a
>> >> pro-gay think tank at UC Santa Barbara, said leaders must consider
>> >> "every available legislative, executive and judicial option." The U.S.
>> >> ban on military service by homosexuals puts the nation alone in the
>> >> West, and in the company of only Bulgaria, Jordan, Poland, Turkey and
>> >> the United Arab Emirates.
>> >>
>> >> Read
>> >> more:
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7...
>> >>
>> >> Read
>> >> more:
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7...
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>> >
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>> Tommy
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