On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Marlie Markie Markie-
Stop the hate, lies and smear!
On 12/9/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> Keith is in his hotel bar right now getting another drink and a Burger. He
> asked me to send you this......
>
> Stop the hate, lies and smear Tom!
>
> It's unbecoming, and breaks that wholesome, clean, Christian oriented image
> that you seem to be striving for!!
>
> KeithInDC
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, Joe Lieberman and other Indies are not Democrats, and cannot be
>> counted as one.
>> Wrong again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>> >
>> > There I stand by all I said. There are 60 votes (you must include the
>> > two
>> > Ind. Senators and Joe Biden) for ANY good cause that the Dems want.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Markie Markie Markie
>> >>
>> >> So you are saying that Dumbya's illegal undeclared war in Iraq was
>> >> imaginary and did not happen?
>> >> You are a pathetic denier.
>> >>
>> >> Your math is also off. 59 votes is not 60 votes, and the Un-American
>> >> Republicans are abusing the 60 vote cloture rule on every bill to make
>> >> The President fail, their top agenda.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong again, dearie.
>> >>
>> >> On 12/9/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>> >> >
>> >> > War has not been declared since WWll, The first responders on 9/11
>> >> > had
>> >> > insurance coverage, and Obama (your boy) is fighting to KEEP DADT in
>> >> > the courts.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just how are ANY of these items a "Republican" problem when the Dems
>> >> > have 60 senate votes for any GOOD cause and three simply don't
>> >> > vote ??? Do you really think they didn't know the result BEFORE the
>> >> > vote ??
>> >> >
>> >> > On Dec 9, 7:28 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Grand Obstructionist Republicans Block DADT Repeal, Vote No to
>> helping
>> >> >> 9/11 Responders, Vote to Extend Bush Tax Cuts to the Wealthy, and
>> Vote
>> >> >> No to Funding the Troops in a Time of War Putting Troops in Danger.
>> >> >> This is More Sickening and Disgusting Behavior From the GOP. Vote
>> them
>> >> >> ALL out of office in 2012.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Senate vote kills repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Senate on Thursday killed repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell"
>> >> >> ban on openly gay members of the military, delivering a blow to
>> >> >> President Obama one week after a Pentagon study urged an end to the
>> >> >> Clinton-era ban.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Although last-ditch efforts were underway to try another avenue to
>> >> >> repeal the ban before Congress adjourns for the year, the procedural
>> >> >> vote likely ends for the foreseeable future the possibility that the
>> >> >> 17-year-old ban can be repealed legislatively, leaving the matter to
>> >> >> the courts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A lawsuit by the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay conservative group,
>> that
>> >> >> challenges the ban is before the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
>> >> >> in San Francisco, which is expected to issue a ruling sometime next
>> >> >> summer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The 57-40 vote to move ahead on the defense authorization bill,
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> contained the repeal, fell three votes short of the 60 needed to
>> >> >> overcome a Republican filibuster.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Obama issued a statement saying, "As commander in chief, I have
>> >> >> pledged to repeal this discriminatory law." He urged continued
>> efforts
>> >> >> to repeal the law this year.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., said
>> they
>> >> >> would try to move a stand-alone bill, but it faces the same
>> procedural
>> >> >> roadblocks that killed the much more popular defense bill. Sen. John
>> >> >> McCain, R-Ariz., has been blocking the defense bill since spring
>> >> >> because it would repeal the ban on gays, lesbians and bisexuals
>> >> >> serving openly in the military.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Human Rights Campaign, a pro-gay lobbying group, demanded that
>> >> >> Obama act unilaterally to cease defense of the ban in court, and
>> >> >> halt
>> >> >> discharges of gay and lesbian troops under an emergency "stop-loss"
>> >> >> military order put in place by the George W. Bush administration,
>> >> >> which prevents troop discharges in case of military need.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Department of Justice has been defending the ban in court as a
>> >> >> matter of U.S. law. But Human Rights Campaign spokesperson Fred
>> Sainz,
>> >> >> said decisions about which laws to defend are "a subjective judgment
>> >> >> made by every administration. They are not under an obligation to
>> >> >> defend every law and have not."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called for a vote on the
>> >> >> repeal bill knowing it would fail. He said Republicans kept changing
>> >> >> their demands on the parameters of the debate of the defense bill
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> concluded they would continue blocking the bill.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Repeal supporters believed they had enough Republican votes to pass
>> >> >> repeal of the gay ban if the broader defense bill had reached a
>> >> >> floor
>> >> >> debate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Last week, the Pentagon weighed in strongly in favor of repeal,
>> >> >> issuing the results of an exhaustive, 10-month study, which included
>> >> >> surveys of active-duty troops and focus groups. The study found that
>> >> >> lifting the ban would not harm military effectiveness, unit cohesion
>> >> >> or other measures of military prowess.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of
>> >> >> the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified to Congress last week urging
>> >> >> repeal and warning that if Congress does not act, the courts will.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> McCain, who once said he would go along with the results of the
>> study,
>> >> >> called it flawed and cited continued resistance by combat troops in
>> >> >> the Army and Marines, as well as special operations forces, to
>> serving
>> >> >> with gay troops.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Obama, who many times promised gay groups that repeal would happen
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> his watch, had personally phoned GOP Senators urging repeal. Collins
>> >> >> and Lieberman had been trying to broker an agreement with Reid on
>> >> >> how
>> >> >> much time and how many amendments would be allowed for debate on the
>> >> >> defense bill.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Collins rushed to the Senate floor just as Reid finished announcing
>> >> >> that he would call up the bill, accusing him of sabotaging repeal.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "There was such a clear path for us to be able to get this bill done
>> >> >> and I am perplexed and frustrated that this important bill is going
>> to
>> >> >> become a victim of politics," Collins said. "Sen. Lieberman and I
>> have
>> >> >> been bargaining in good faith with the majority leader."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Collins said she thought she had an agreement to allow a debate with
>> >> >> 10 GOP amendments and five Democratic amendments.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A senior Democratic aide said Reid had given Collins plenty of
>> >> >> ground
>> >> >> but that she had rejected the offer of 15 amendments. The Senate was
>> >> >> running out of time and Collins was offering no clear path around
>> >> >> continuing GOP obstruction, the aide said, adding that Reid had
>> >> >> offered an open amendment process on the defense bill earlier in the
>> >> >> year but Collins refused then to go along.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Reid was backed by Senate Armed Services Committee chair Carl Levin,
>> >> >> D-Mich., who said the clock had run out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The vote kills for this session of Congress the entire defense bill
>> >> >> -
>> >> >> the first time that has happened in 48 years. It also contained a
>> >> >> pay
>> >> >> increase for the military and many other components.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Republicans had insisted that their deal with Obama on tax cuts be
>> >> >> resolved before proceeding to any other business, including the
>> >> >> defense bill.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Repeal of the ban had passed the House earlier this year, but
>> >> >> Republican leaders who will assume control of the House in January
>> >> >> have said they have no intention of bringing up repeal when they
>> >> >> take
>> >> >> control for the next two years. The next chance Democrats have to
>> >> >> control the House is in the 2012 elections.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gay-rights groups erupted in outrage over the vote, but Aubrey
>> Sarvis,
>> >> >> executive director of the Service Members Legal Defense Network,
>> >> >> held
>> >> >> out hope that the effort was not dead.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Christopher Neff, deputy executive director of the Palm Center, a
>> >> >> pro-gay think tank at UC Santa Barbara, said leaders must consider
>> >> >> "every available legislative, executive and judicial option." The
>> U.S.
>> >> >> ban on military service by homosexuals puts the nation alone in the
>> >> >> West, and in the company of only Bulgaria, Jordan, Poland, Turkey
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the United Arab Emirates.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read
>> >> >> more:
>> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read
>> >> >> more:
>> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> >> Have a great day,
>> >> >> Tommy
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>> >>
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>> Tommy
>>
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