Re: Socialism For Dummies or: Why Obama Isn't a Communist, Marxist, or Socialist

Anyone following this thread can see you are dodging the question.

You have spent a considerable amount of time doing so.

So based on your refusal to answer the question, and, based on your assertion that it was a baited question, I can only conclude that you are a closet socialist.

On 10/20/2010 10:47 AM, Tommy News wrote:

No, I am not.  On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote: 

Of course you're dodging the question.  It's not like I was asking you for a 15-page dissertation on your beliefs. I simply asked you to chose between two brief descriptions of two types of governments.  On 10/20/2010 10:24 AM, Tommy News wrote: 

I am not dodging the question.   I said that it is a dumb and baited question and I stand buy that statement. I believe in Democracy. I am an American.  On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com>  wrote: 

Why are you dodging the question, Tommy?  You are subscribed to a political forum. How is asking which of two systems of government you think we should follow being silly?  The fact that you understand it is a baited question leads me to believe you know you are a socialist. You're just afraid to admit it.  Or, perhaps - since you push all the collectivism crap on us - you prefer being called a collectivist.       *Collectivist*, n. An advocate of collectivism. -- a. Relating to,      or characteristic of, collectivism.*      *       *Collectivism*, n. The doctrine that land and capital should be      owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism.   On 10/20/2010 10:07 AM, Tommy News wrote: 

Why would you even ask such a silly, baited, and officiously offensive question?  I am not a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist.  Centrist Liberals, Democrats, and President Obama are not either.  On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com>   wrote: 

Should have read:  Tommy, 

Which one of the following systems of government do you believe we should follow?        1. A system in which the means of production and distribution are       privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to       the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.        2. A system of social organization in which the means of producing       and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized       government that often plans and controls the economy.   On 10/20/2010 9:36 AM, Tommy News wrote: 

It appears that you do not know what Marxism is, Keith, as you continually and falsely call Democrats, Centrist liberals, Progressives, and President Obama Marxists, which they are not.  That is why I sent this piece, to enlighten you, if that is possible.  Liberals and Democrats are NOT Marxists, Socialists, or Communists. Using these false slurs over and over again is offensive and repetitive.  I believe that those who slander and disrespect the President are anti-American.  On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com>    wrote: 

Those who don't comprehend or understand what Marxism, Socialism, Capitalism, etc., mean, and somehow believe that it is "hate speech" by calling an individual a "Socialist";  because he advocates a socialistic political and economic system over a capitalistic, free market economy, are ignorant.  I don't mean to say that they are stupid....Far from it.  Actually, I have a lot of respect for these that are ignorant, or Anti-American.  They are dangerous to our Nation.   I have come to the conclusion that these folks fall into one of two categories:  (A) *e.g.;* Most of them are ill informed and not well read.   They don't keep up with current events, other than to watch liberal, biased mainstream media, or read and follow far left slanted web sites,  never taking the time to comprehend why or how any specific situation or  came to be, or the root cause, genesis or motivation of any particular issue.  They tend to believe that they are the only ones that are compassionate, failing to realize that it is statistically proven in fact, that those who are conservative contribute far more money&    resources to charitable causes. Further, (and just as important!) these same individuals don't have a lot of knowledge of our history; they fail to understand or comprehend the principals and tenets that made the United States the greatest Nation-State in the World, bar none.  In general, these people reject the notion that our founding fathers were influenced by Christian principals and tenets, but they do understand enough history that they would very much like to revise this one important aspect.  Thus their lack of understanding and reasoning; or,  (B)  They are literally Anti-Americans, and they want to see the United States become equal to or consistent with a third world or fourth world Nation-State.  There is literally no other option.  The point being, is that ALL of these folks are hypocritical, and filled with hate.  When confronted with truth, logic, or just basic facts, all they can resort to is slinging out hate filled smear, and the typical far left, Socialist-Elitist talking points that have been generated by the George Soros' funded foundations, media organizations and social networks. All they can do, is attack the messenger.     On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote: Thiose who use words as clubs are misguided bullies.  -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options&    help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum  * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. 

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Your Remedy Is In The Courts Jurisdictionary®

I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.

Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.

"The 'art' of politics is diverting attention from what's really happening. What
separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior public relations."
- Marc Stevens

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that cannot be."
- Thomas Jefferson