are trying to control. The Democrats attempt to rule in a fair
Democracy? Since when. Democrats try to control you so that you have
to accept their choice or you lose your job, your insurance, your home,
your family, access to the education you want - no end to the
controlling that the Democrats attempt. Your whole posting here is an
absolute lie. You Dems even want to control how people retire!!
On 10/20/2010 02:22 PM, Tommy News wrote:
> So, then in other words,
> Republicans, whose purpose is to control, are like Facists. Their
> purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others
> among the people.
>
> Democrats, whose purpose is to rule In a fair Democracy, and any group
> of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the
> unlimited power of The Majority, and therefore must keep the
> Republicans from taking control of the government again in order to
> protect themselves from unlimited power of facist Republicans.
>
> Corporate greed, absolute control, and absoulute power is Republican.
>
> Justice, well being, liberty, the persuit of happiness, and fair
> representation by and for individuals is Democratic.
>
> Gotta love it.
>
> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone following this thread can see you are dodging the question.
>>
>> You have spent a considerable amount of time doing so.
>>
>> So based on your refusal to answer the question, and, based on your
>> assertion that it was a baited question, I can only conclude that you
>> are a closet socialist.
>>
>> On 10/20/2010 10:47 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>
>>> No, I am not.
>>>
>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course you're dodging the question.
>>>>
>>>> It's not like I was asking you for a 15-page dissertation on your
>>>> beliefs. I simply asked you to chose between two brief descriptions of
>>>> two types of governments.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2010 10:24 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not dodging the question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I said that it is a dumb and baited question and I stand buy that
>>>>> statement.
>>>>> I believe in Democracy. I am an American.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you dodging the question, Tommy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are subscribed to a political forum. How is asking which of two
>>>>>> systems of government you think we should follow being silly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact that you understand it is a baited question leads me to
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> you know you are a socialist. You're just afraid to admit it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, perhaps - since you push all the collectivism crap on us - you
>>>>>> prefer being called a collectivist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Collectivist*, n. An advocate of collectivism. -- a. Relating
>>>>>> to,
>>>>>> or characteristic of, collectivism.*
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Collectivism*, n. The doctrine that land and capital should be
>>>>>> owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/2010 10:07 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would you even ask such a silly, baited, and officiously offensive
>>>>>>> question?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Centrist Liberals, Democrats, and President Obama are not either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should have read:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tommy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which one of the following systems of government do you believe we
>>>>>>>>> should follow?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. A system in which the means of production and distribution
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> privately or corporately owned and development is
>>>>>>>>> proportionate
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free
>>>>>>>>> market.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. A system of social organization in which the means of
>>>>>>>>> producing
>>>>>>>>> and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a
>>>>>>>>> centralized
>>>>>>>>> government that often plans and controls the economy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2010 9:36 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you do not know what Marxism is, Keith, as you
>>>>>>>>>> continually and falsely call Democrats, Centrist liberals,
>>>>>>>>>> Progressives, and President Obama Marxists, which they are not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is why I sent this piece, to enlighten you, if that is
>>>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Liberals and Democrats are NOT Marxists, Socialists, or Communists.
>>>>>>>>>> Using these false slurs over and over again is offensive and
>>>>>>>>>> repetitive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe that those who slander and disrespect the President are
>>>>>>>>>> anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those who don't comprehend or understand what Marxism, Socialism,
>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalism, etc., mean, and somehow believe that it is "hate
>>>>>>>>>>> speech"
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> calling an individual a "Socialist"; because he advocates a
>>>>>>>>>>> socialistic
>>>>>>>>>>> political and economic system over a capitalistic, free market
>>>>>>>>>>> economy,
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't mean to say that they are stupid....Far from it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of respect for these that are ignorant, or Anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> dangerous to our Nation. I have come to the conclusion that
>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>> fall into one of two categories:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (A) *e.g.;* Most of them are ill informed and not well read.
>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> keep up with current events, other than to watch liberal, biased
>>>>>>>>>>> mainstream
>>>>>>>>>>> media, or read and follow far left slanted web sites, never
>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> to comprehend why or how any specific situation or came to be, or
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> root
>>>>>>>>>>> cause, genesis or motivation of any particular issue. They tend
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> that they are the only ones that are compassionate, failing to
>>>>>>>>>>> realize
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> it is statistically proven in fact, that those who are
>>>>>>>>>>> conservative
>>>>>>>>>>> contribute far more money& resources to charitable causes.
>>>>>>>>>>> Further,
>>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>> just as important!) these same individuals don't have a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> our history; they fail to understand or comprehend the principals
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> tenets
>>>>>>>>>>> that made the United States the greatest Nation-State in the
>>>>>>>>>>> World,
>>>>>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>>>>> none. In general, these people reject the notion that our
>>>>>>>>>>> founding
>>>>>>>>>>> fathers
>>>>>>>>>>> were influenced by Christian principals and tenets, but they do
>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>> enough history that they would very much like to revise this one
>>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>>> aspect. Thus their lack of understanding and reasoning; or,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (B) They are literally Anti-Americans, and they want to see the
>>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>> States become equal to or consistent with a third world or fourth
>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>> Nation-State.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is literally no other option.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The point being, is that ALL of these folks are hypocritical, and
>>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>>> with hate. When confronted with truth, logic, or just basic
>>>>>>>>>>> facts,
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> can resort to is slinging out hate filled smear, and the typical
>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>> left,
>>>>>>>>>>> Socialist-Elitist talking points that have been generated by the
>>>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>>> Soros' funded foundations, media organizations and social
>>>>>>>>>>> networks.
>>>>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>>> they can do, is attack the messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thiose who use words as clubs are misguided bullies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
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