Homophobe Mysoginist Drunkard Kiethie Kieth McCarthy for quoting
another prevaricate, untruthful and hateful right wing lie, that is
what he does, as a
foot soldier for those Anti-American militant wingnuts who want to
see
our Nation become a Third World or Fourth World Nation-State governed
by the Greediest Richest 1%. As long as everyone knows who and what
Little Grand Old Teabagger Reich Wingnut Fascist Homophobe Mysoginist
Drunkard Kiethie Kieth McCarthy is, then, No Harm~~No Foul".
On Apr 6, 6:12 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A couple of points:
>
> First, Rachael Maddow has uncovered or discovered nothing. The memo that
> Rachael "Let's Distort Some News" Maddow was released on April 21, 2009.
> Here's the link:
>
> http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/21/the_olc_torture_memo...
>
> I can't really fault Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews for quoting
> another prevaricate, untruthful and hateful lie, that is what he does, as a
> foot soldier for those Anti-American militant secularists who want to see
> our Nation become a Third World or Fourth World Nation-State. As long as
> everyone knows who and what TommyTomTom is, then, No Harm~~No Foul".
>
> Back to Zelikow. The man talks out of his ass. Here's another Memo that
> Zelikow wrote on May 31, 2007, as well as an interal Memorandum that
> Zelikow wrote on December 13, 2007, (*See* Attached) which directly
> contradicts exactly what Zelikow was espousing on April 21, 2009:
>
> http://hnn.us/articles/39494.html
>
> In other words, Zelikow, like Maddow and
> Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomForNews, is a liar and talks out of his ass.
>
> More importantly, the Unted States has never condoned or participated in
> torture. The mis-treatement of prisoners at Abu Gharib prison, which I
> believe constitutes torture, could never be correlated to, or linked to
> Rumsfeld, or any other high ranking Bush Administration official.
>
> "Water Boarding"; however controversial, does not constitute torture, and
> up until the recent publicity of water boarding, (which is a centuries old
> technique) the UN did not consider it torture.
>
> Anyone that is not familiar with the Yoo, Bybee Bradbury and "Rumsfeld
> Defense Department Working Group" Memoranda, which would be folks like
> Rachael "I Am Husband" Maddow, and Lil'TommyTomTom, really don't have a
> clue as to what they are talking about.
>
> ==================
>
> *The Memos Prove We Didn't Torture
> *The Red Cross was completely wrong about 'walling.'
> By DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. and LEE A. CASEY
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124018665408933455.html
>
> The four memos on CIA interrogation released by the White House last week
> reveal a cautious and conservative Justice Department advising a CIA that
> cared deeply about staying within the law. Far from "green lighting"
> torture -- or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of detainees -- the
> memos detail the actual techniques used and the many measures taken to
> ensure that interrogations did not cause severe pain or degradation.
> Interrogations were to be "continuously monitored" and "the interrogation
> team will stop the use of particular techniques or the interrogation
> altogether if the detainee's medical or psychological conditions indicates
> that the detainee might suffer significant physical or mental harm."
>
> An Aug. 1, 2002, memo describes the practice of "walling" -- recently
> revealed in a report by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which
> suggested that detainees wore a "collar" used to "forcefully bang the head
> and body against the wall" before and during interrogation. In fact,
> detainees were placed with their backs to a "flexible false wall," designed
> to avoid inflicting painful injury. Their shoulder blades -- not head --
> were the point of contact, and the "collar" was used not to give additional
> force to a blow, but further to protect the neck.
>
> The memo says the point was to inflict psychological uncertainty, not
> physical pain: "the idea is to create a sound that will make the impact
> seem far worse than it is and that will be far worse than any injury that
> might result from the action."
>
> Shackling and confinement in a small space (generally used to create
> discomfort and muscle fatigue) were also part of the CIA program, but they
> were subject to stringent time and manner limitations. Abu Zubaydah (a top
> bin Laden lieutenant) had a fear of insects. He was, therefore, to be put
> in a "cramped confinement box" and told a stinging insect would be put in
> the box with him. In fact, the CIA proposed to use a harmless caterpillar.
> Confinement was limited to two hours.
>
> The memos are also revealing about the practice of "waterboarding," about
> which there has been so much speculative rage from the program's opponents.
> The practice, used on only three individuals, involved covering the nose
> and mouth with a cloth and pouring water over the cloth to create a
> drowning sensation.
>
> This technique could be used for up to 40 seconds -- although the CIA
> orally informed Justice Department lawyers that it would likely not be used
> for more than 20 seconds at a time. Unlike the exaggerated claims of so
> many Bush critics, the memos make clear that water was not actually
> expected to enter the detainee's lungs, and that measures were put in place
> to prevent complications if this did happen and to ensure that the
> individual did not develop respiratory distress.
>
> All of these interrogation methods have been adapted from the U.S.
> military's own Survival Evasion Resistance Escape (or SERE) training
> program, and have been used for years on thousands of American service
> members with the full knowledge of Congress. This has created a large body
> of information about the effect of these techniques, on which the CIA was
> able to draw in assessing the likely impact on the detainees and ensuring
> that no severe pain or long term psychological impact would result.
>
> The actual intelligence benefits of the CIA program are also detailed in
> these memos. The CIA believed, evidently with good reason, that the
> enhanced interrogation program had indeed produced actionable intelligence
> about al Qaeda's plans. First among the resulting successes was the
> prevention of a "second wave" of al Qaeda attacks, to be carried out by an
> "east Asian" affiliate, which would have involved the crashing of another
> airplane into a building in Los Angeles.
>
> The interrogation techniques described in these memos are indisputably
> harsh, but they fall well short of "torture." They were developed and
> deployed at a time of supreme peril, as a means of preventing future
> attacks on innocent civilians both in the U.S. and abroad.
> The dedicated public servants at the CIA and Justice Department -- who even
> the Obama administration has concluded should not be prosecuted -- clearly
> cared intensely about staying within the law as well as protecting the
> American homeland. These memos suggest that they achieved both goals in a
> manner fully consistent with American values.
>
> Messrs. Rivkin and Casey, who served in the Justice Department under George
> H.W. Bush, were U.S. delegates to the U.N. Subcommission on the Promotion
> and Protection of Human Rights.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bush Admin Committed War Crimes Says Bush Official Philip Zelikow
>
> > Submitted by Michael Allen on Apr 5, 2012
> > An anti-torture memo that the Bush administration has been trying to
> > hide from public view for years was finally made public, reported
> > MSNBC's Rachel Maddow (video below) on Wednesday night.
>
> > The memo written by then Bush State Department counselor Philip
> > Zelikow advised the Bush Administration that enhanced interrogation
> > techniques, such as waterboarding, were torture and illegal.
>
> > Wired reporter Spencer Ackerman finally obtained the memo, through a
> > Freedom on Information Act request that he made three years ago
>
> > However, back in 2010, President Bush told NBC's Matt Lauer in 2010
> > that he authorized the use of enhanced interrogation techniques like
> > waterboarding because his "lawyer said it was legal, said it did not
> > fall within the Anti-Torture Act."
>
> > But Zelikow's memo warned the Bush Administration in 2006 that the
> > interrogation techniques used on terror suspects by the CIA were "a
> > felony war crime."
>
> > In 2009, Zelikow said that the Bush Administration attempted to
> > collect and destroy all copies of the memo.
>
> >http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/46959508#46959508
>
> > __._,_.___
>
> > --
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> > Have a great day,
> > Tommy
>
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> > Have a great day,
> > Tommy
>
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