Atheist was in fact attempting to agitate and cause a disturbance.
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It was basically one man's word against another's, the judge said.
so, creeping sharia, eh?
On Feb 24, 7:59 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Bear,
>
> I noted that in the AmericanAtheist Article of which you quoted; (and
> here's the link) :
>
> http://atheists.org/blog/2012/02/22/muslim-attacks-atheist-muslim-jud...
>
> The article mentions the video, and claims to share the link, but in fact,
> the link to the video is missing.
>
> Here's the video link:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP-X3hpCfR8
>
> Here is also another article covering the same court hearing:
>
> http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/west_shore_judge_d...
>
> Note that in the PennLive article, it states that the law enforcement
> officer was not present during the purported attack.
>
> The web is now crawling with articles, all based on the AmericanAtheists'
> article; (and one other source); but I question whether Judge "Mark
> Martin" is in fact a Muslim. Don't all Muslims have to take some kind of
> a funky Islamic name?
>
> No question that Muslims cannot get away with hiding behind Sharia, or a
> State Court of U.S. Court judge trying to inflict Sharia on our Court
> system, but in this case, I don't think that is what happened. This
> Atheist was in fact attempting to agitate and cause a disturbance. He was
> clearly an asshole.
>
> Prefacing my view of this with the knowledge that I was not there during
> the court proceeding, and knowing that the AmericanAtheist has clearly
> misrepresented the truth in their article, I think the Judge probably
> ruled correctly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This case is just disgusting. Sharia law is slowly coming to the U.S.
> > At least in the U.S. a judge can be removed.
>
> > Be sure to listen to the videos in the links.
>
> > Bear
>
> > Muslim Attacks Atheist. Muslim Judge Dismisses Case, Blames Victim.
>
> > The Pennsylvania State Director of American Atheists, Inc., Mr. Ernest
> > Perce V., was assaulted by a Muslim while participating in a Halloween
> > parade. Along with a Zombie Pope, Ernest was costumed as Zombie
> > Muhammad. The assault was caught on video, the Muslim man admitted to
> > his crime and charges were filed in what should have been an
> > open-and-shut case. That's not what happened, though.
>
> > The defendant is an immigrant and claims he did not know his actions
> > were illegal, or that it was legal in this country to represent
> > Muhammad in any form. To add insult to injury, he also testified that
> > his 9 year old son was present, and the man said he felt he needed to
> > show his young son that he was willing to fight for his Prophet.
>
> > The case went to trial, and as circumstances would dictate, Judge Mark
> > Martin is also a Muslim. What transpired next was surreal. The Judge
> > not only ruled in favor of the defendant, but called Mr. Perce a name
> > and told him that if he were in a Muslim country, he'd be put to
> > death. Judge Martin's comments included,
>
> > "Having had the benefit of having spent over 2 and a half years in
> > predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the
> > faith of Islam. In fact I have a copy of the Koran here and I
> > challenge you sir to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammad
> > arose and walked among the dead. I think you misinterpreted things.
> > Before you start mocking someone else's religion you may want to find
> > out a little bit more about it it makes you look like a dufus and Mr.
> > (Defendant) is correct. In many Arabic speaking countries something
> > like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in
> > fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their
> > society.
>
> > Judge Martin then offered a lesson in Islam, stating,
>
> > "Islam is not just a religion, it's their culture, their culture. It's
> > their very essence their very being. They pray five times a day
> > towards Mecca to be a good Muslim, before you die you have to make a
> > pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you can not because
> > you are too ill too elderly, whatever but you must make the attempt.
> > Their greetings wa-laikum as-Salâm (is answered by voice) may god be
> > with you. Whenever, it's very common when speaking to each other it's
> > very common for them to say uh this will happen it's it they are so
> > immersed in it.
>
> > Judge Martin further complicates the issue by not only abrogating the
> > First Amendment, but completely misunderstanding it when he said,
>
> > "Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence,
> > their being. They find it very very very offensive. I'm a Muslim, I
> > find it offensive. But you have that right, but you're way outside
> > your boundaries or first amendment rights. This is what, and I said I
> > spent about 7 and a half years living in other countries. when we go
> > to other countries it's not uncommon for people to refer to us as ugly
> > Americans this is why we are referred to as ugly Americans, because we
> > are so concerned about our own rights we don't care about other
> > people's rights as long as we get our say but we don't care about the
> > other people's say"
>
> > But wait, it gets worse. The Judge refused to allow the video into
> > evidence, and then said,
>
> > "All that aside I've got here basically.. I don't want to say he said
> > she said but I've got two sides of the story that are in conflict with
> > each other."
>
> > And,
>
> > "The preponderance of, excuse me, the burden of proof… "
>
> > And,
>
> > "…he has not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that this
> > defendant is guilty of harassment, therefore I am going to dismiss the
> > charge"
>
> > The Judge neglected to address the fact that the ignorance of the law
> > does not justify an assault and that it was the responsibility of the
> > defendant to familiarize himself with our laws. This is to say
> > nothing of the judge counseling the defendant that it is also not
> > acceptable for him to teach his children that it is acceptable to use
> > violence in the defense of religious beliefs. Instead, the judge
> > gives Mr. Perce a lesson in Sharia law and drones on about the Muslim
> > faith, inform everyone in the court room how strongly he embraces
> > Islam, that the first amendment does not allow anyone " to piss off
> > other people and other cultures" and he was also insulted by Mr.
> > Perce's portrayal of Mohammed and the sign he carried.
>
> > This is a travesty. Not only did Judge Martin completely ignore video
> > evidence, but a Police Officer who was at the scene also testified on
> > Mr. Perce's behalf, to which the Judge also dismissed by saying the
> > officer didn't give an accurate account or doesn't give it any weight.
>
> > Here is a link to the video that includes the audio of the Judge
> > during the trial:
>
> > Here's coverage of the incident from the local ABC affiliate
>
> > Needless to say, this is totally, completely and unequivocally
> > unacceptable. That a Muslim immigrant can assault a United States
> > citizen in defense of his religious beliefs and walk away a free man,
> > while the victim is chastised and insulted by a Muslim judge who then
> > blamed the victim for the crime committed against him is a horrible
> > abrogation.
>
> > This reeks of those cases we used to read about where a woman is
> > blamed for her own rape because she "was asking for it" by virtue of
> > the clothing she chose to wear, and then having the Judge set the
> > rapist free.
>
> > I can promise you this, you have not heard the last of this issue. Not
> > by a long shot.
>
> > –
>
> > Al Stefanelli - Georgia State Director, American Atheists, Inc.
>
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