Saturday, June 9, 2012

Re: Is socialism a good thing in moderation?

I think that there is credible evidence that the Chinese are focused on cornering the Gold market,and have every intention of backing the Chinese yuan with Gold.  Here's a rather long, but very interesting, and I believe accurate prediction:
 
 


 
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Roger Isom <obamaisaloser1@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are saying CHINA is stable.....
THAT STATEMENT IS PLAIN WRONG!!!!I see CHINA breaking into at LEAST 3-5 countries now....And when CHINA goes BYE BYE!!!
you WILL SEE at LEAST a 2500 POINT COLLAPSE IN THE DOW!!! in a DAY!!!! accept that fact NOW!!!  I will NEVER VISIT china because I simply DO NOT feel safe there


From: Just Plain Jim <chinablix@gmail.com>
To: PoliticalForum <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: Is socialism a good thing in moderation?

The Muslim population is not much Of a problem in China.

Reminder , every negative economic prediction of China has turned to
be wrong.

Have you ever been to China , let alone lived here? I don't think you
would say what you have if you had.

Yours
Jim

On Jun 8, 12:21 pm, Roger Isom <obamaisalos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> CHINA, will implode....
> How is ANOTHER QUESTION.....OPTION one....
> A majorQUAKE strikes the THREE GORGE Dam project....Such a QUAKE IMMEDIATELY THREATENS SHANGHAI down STREAM....Will the AUTHORITIES warn the people in THAT EVENT...
> right NOW I really do NOT SEE THAT OCCURRING I can see the NAVY BREAKING AWAY and declaring SHANGHAI and CANTON INDEPENDENT!!! and I see LARGE chunks of the AIR FORCE FOLLOWING SUIT!!!
> Option 2)
> The CHINESE do have a LARGE MUSLIM population !!!!!!!!
> DO NOT FORGET THEM!!!! If they become RESTLESS things turn UGLY FAST!!!!!
> THINK the YELLOW TURBIN REVOLT and the NUMBERS in that conflict FAST and THINK..
> How will the "GOVERNMENT" respond THEN???????? Governments like CHINA's DO NOT take THREATS LIKE THESE LIGHTLY!!!
> People WILL DIE!!! and you will see DEATHS well over 10s of THOUSANDS in a DAY GUARANTEED!!!
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Just Plain Jim <chinab...@gmail.com>
> To: PoliticalForum <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Is socialism a good thing in moderation?

>
> After visiting China for the first time in 2003, then returning again
> in 2004 and moving here since 2006, I have a pretty good handle on the
> countries economic health.
>
> You have given the barest assesment based on what could be true but
> you have not taken into account their history, demographics ,
> culture , tradition , economic growth , way of life nor how the
> average citizen thinks.
>
> Nor did you address the tax issue which was one of the reasons I left
> the USA.
>
> Nor did you address the issue of my initial question.
>
> The best I can get from you is their economic system is not
> sustainable, yet it has defied every negative prediction since Deng
> Xioping , Mao's successor when he chucked the communist/socialist
> system for a capitalistic/socialistic system.
>
> When he started that program by declairing Shengzheng to be where the
> new system would start most of the people were living in poverty.
> Today , percentage wise, China's middle class is about equal to ours
> with a poor class percentage that is less than ours. This is based on
> urban population , rural are obviously not nearly as good but is
> moving up.
>
> I could go on and on. No need for that. But when you look at one
> indicator and try to make that the bases for your argument , what I
> belive to be , your lack of knowledge of todays China , it will
> probably fall apart.
>
> May I suggest you read Henry Kissingers book "On China" published last
> year. I am no fan of Kissinger , but as an elder statesman with a vast
> knowledge of the inner workings of China , it is well worth the read.
>
> Yours Jim
>
> On Jun 7, 10:50 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The real GDP per capita (growth rate) of an economy is often used as
> > an indicator of the average standard of living of individuals in that
> > country, and economic growth is therefore often seen as indicating an
> > increase in the average standard of living. However, there are some
> > problems in using growth in GDP per capita to measure the general well-
> > being of a country´s population. In fact, GDP was first developed by
> > Simon Kuznets for a US Congress report in 1934, who immediately said
> > not to use it as a measure for welfare. First, GDP per capita does not
> > provide much information relevant to the distribution of income in a
> > country. Second, GDP per capita does not take into account negative
> > externalities such as pollution consequent to economic growth. Third,
> > GDP per capita does not take into account positive externalities that
> > may result from services such as education and health. Finally, GDP
> > per capita excludes the value of all the activities that take place
> > outside of the market place such as free leisure activities or less
> > positive activities like organized crime.
>
> > On Jun 6, 3:24 am, Just Plain Jim <chinab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I lived in a country, the USA that wears its capitalism on its sleeve.
> > > That is till the last six years were I now live in the PRC, commonly
> > > known as China, a retired vet working part time here.
>
> > > What I have learned over these years is that major industries and
> > > services are jointly owned by the government and private enterprise,
> > > and that small businesses are privately owned.
>
> > > This seems to have created a check and balance system within big
> > > business where the good of the country and private investors is
> > > protected while encouraging competition.  They have also seemed to
> > > have created a system that allows small businesses flourish. This has
> > > also created shared profits where the tax burden on the people seem to
> > > be far less.
>
> > > While the political and social impacts are obvious in their system,
> > > nevertheless this is not about that, this is about an economic system
> > > that enjoys 9% growth for the last few decades and that I believe we
> > > should take a few pages out of their economic playbook and learn to
> > > beat them at their own game.
>
> > > What are your thoughts?
>
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