Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Re: Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!

The queestion is, is the Iowa Straw Poll meaningless?

Yes, from here

On Aug 16, 12:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I pretty much addressed the same typical Paul supporter rant in your other
> post by WhuzHerName that was posted on the Crackpot Rockwell's site.
>
> I also watched Meet the Press,  and no, Paul was not the only news worthy
> story on Sunday.  Paul came in SECOND in the Iowa straw poll.  Meanwhile,
> Governor Perry was announcing his candidacy in South Carolina, and Bachmann
> came in FIRST in the iowa straw poll, causing candidate Pawlinty to drop out
> of the presidential race; with Paul being mentioned that he carried
> twenty-seven percent.
>
> Thee was very fair coverage, of all the candidates, by pretty much all of
> the news networks on Sunday.   It is only fanatical crackpots who somehow
> see Paul as being slighted.
>
> .
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:58 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > Mulshine is a 'fanatical' Paul supporter (whatever that means) because he
> > REVIEWED Meet the Press from Sunday?
>
> > Oh wait, that is merely the standard fallacy spew designed to mask the
> > reality that you did not actually address *anything* Mulshine stated. Sorry.
>
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
>
> > OK once again: Progressivism is an ideology of corporatism, war, and
> > puritanical statism. Conservatism is an ideology of corporatism, war, and
> > puritanial statism. Liberalism was good up until FDR or so, but then became
> > an ideology of corporatism, war, and puritanical statism. There are
> > differences among these groups, but if you oppose corporatism, war, and
> > puritanical statism, you are a libertarian, or a radical, or an anarchist,
> > or an individualist, or maybe a paleocon (a misnomer). Heck, even
> > "socialist" used to mean pro-liberty, in a sense. But conservatism and
> > progressivism? They were always on the side of the ruling class and always
> > will be. -- Anthony Gregory
>
> > At 01:49 PM 8/15/2011, you wrote:
>
> > Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are, and why they will
> > never be successful?
>
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> >  Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!
> >  Published: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:52 PM     Updated: Sunday, August
> > 14, 2011, 2:14 PM
> > By Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledger
> > <http://connect.nj.com/user/pmulshin/index.html>
>
> > I just turned off "Meet the Press."
>
> > This was the single most extreme example of cluelessness in general and
> > liberal media bias in particular that I have ever witnessed.
>
> > The subject was yesterday's Iowa Straw Poll, in which Michele Bachmann
> > finished in a  statistical dead heat with Ron Paul.
>
> > Yet these bozos yapped on for half an hour without mentioning Paul, except
> > in passing. They went on at great length about Bachmann and even Tim
> > Pawlenty, her fellow Minnesotan who finished way back in the pack and
> > dropped out of the race. But hardly a word about the Texas congressman.
>
> > I found this particularly grating when the subject came to the theme of
> > getting the government off our back. First they showed a clip from Rick
> > Perry, even though the Texas governor did not compete in the straw poll.
>
> > Then they showed a clip from, of all people, Pawlenty. Not a single one of
> > these clowns mentioned that Paul practically invented the idea of getting
> > the government off our backs.
>
> > And not a single one of them mentioned that Paul also pioneered the idea of
> > voting against raising the debt ceiling. He has never voted to raise it in
> > all his years in Congress. Yet when that issue came up, all the talk was
> > about Bachmann, who just discovered the issue the other day, relatively
> > speaking, and who is a complete ignoramus on economic issues.<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>
>
> > What are these idiots up to? Well, I shouldn't use terms like  "idiots" and
> > "bozos." These guys know exactly what they're doing. The pitchmen for the
> > mainstream Republican Party, such as Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, want to do
> > everything in their power to deep-six the man who has stood up to the
> > Republican establishment for three decades.
>
> > As for the journalists, there was not a conservative up there on stage. All
> > were liberals who love the idea of portraying the ditzy Bachmann as the face
> > of the Republican Party. In the earlier part of the show before the panel
> > session, host David Gregory spent half an hour interviewing her. He focused
> > almost entirely on social issues such as gay marriage, the better to make
> > the GOP look out of touch with middle-class voters.
>
> > Somewhere in there one of the panelists made an observation that the
> > attendees at the Ames poll are heavily evangelical in their beliefs. Well if
> > that's the case, then Paul won the day. Even though his message is not
> > tailored to evangelicals, he got the votes of 4,671  of those in attendance.
> > Meanwhile Bachmann, whose appeal is focused on evangelicals, got just 152
> > more votes than Paul.
>
> > And then there's the fact that Paul has defined the issues in this race. On
> > Obamacare, he was the first to come out against the individual mandate, for
> > example, which he did as early as 2007 in this column of mine<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/08/mulshine_proved_right_ag...>.
> > He has always been a deficit hawk, another area in which the rest of the
> > field is following his lead. And he's refocused the foreign policy debate to
> > the question of whether the U.S. should be the world's policeman, and he won
> > on that issue it in the debate Thursday night.
>
> > I'm sure if I discussed all this with the talking heads who were on the
> > panel, I'd hear what I always hear from liberal commentators: Ron Paul is
> > "unelectable."
>
> > Perhaps you believe that. If you do, you're either a Democratic operative
> > or a moron.
>
> > Check this page of polling data<http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam...>from Real Clear politics. Of all the candidates in the field, Ron Paul lines
> > up best against President Obama with the single exception of Mitt Romney.
> > And Romney's going to have a tough time getting through the primaries if
> > this straw poll is any indication.
>
> > The reason is not far to seek. Alone among the Republicans, Paul connects
> > with the youth vote. Though he the oldest candidate in the field, he has the
> > youngest supporters, all of whom are aware just how wretched an economy
> > they're going to be inheriting.
>
> > The economy is going to be the big issue next year, yet the members of the
> > panel ignored it. If they'd paid attention to it, they would have had to
> > discuss Paul, the sole candidate who predicted the collapse of 2008.
>
> > It's far more fun for a liberal to focus on Bachmann and her Bible-based
> > ideas on social issues - all of which are calculated to alienate the same
> > youth voters to whom Paul appeals.
>
> > A further bonus for liberals is that Bachmann is guaranteed to keep saying
> > really stupid things, such as her assertion<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>that Barack Obama ran up more debt in his first year than all prior
> > presidents combined. Paul, by contrast, cannot be caught in such a howler
> > because he knows the budget much better than any of the questioners do.
>
> > He certainly knows more about it than David Gregory. I suspect another
> > reason these blow-dried bozos don't like to have Paul on their shows is that
> > they'd have to do some actual research to ask intelligent questions on such
> > topics as the role of the Federal Reserve.
>
> > With Bachmann, it's a simple matter of asking over and over if she really
> > means what she says about the Bible. This is great fun - if you're a
> > simpleton or a party hack.  And all the people on that panel met one of
> > those definitions.
>
> >http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/08/rick_perry_a_right-winge...
>
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