Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Re: GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem

It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting
a
strong national defense that is troublesome
----
pulling US troops home is not naive nor does it weaken national
defense

those in favor of nation building and US intervention would disagree

On Aug 16, 6:20 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think York aptly describes the issue, but to categorize "GOP Operatives"
> as fearing Ron Paul is a bit of a stretch.
>
> First, I am not sure what a "Repulbican Operative" is.  Is it someone who
> campaigns, supports,  and even financially contributes to the Party?  Then I
> would qualify as an "Operative" and I don't fear Ron Paul nor do I fear his
> supporters, including the crackpot supporters.  I drink beer with them,  go
> to Church with them,  play poker (when I am in Tampa) with them, and when
> the subject of politics comes up, try to show them the fallacy of Paul's
> ways. Most of the Paul supporters I know agree, with a hand full, that can
> best be described as, "Crackpots".
>
> The truth is, that most all Americans agree with a smaller, fiscally
> responsible government that adheres to the Constitution of the United
> States.  Paul stands for that, as does the Tea Party movement, which again,
> much to the dismay of Democrats and far left extremists,  I believe is the
> majority of this Nation.
>
> It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting a
> strong national defense that is troublesome and therefore disqualifying.
>
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> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > *GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem
> > *By: Byron York
> > 08/15/11 8:05 PM
>
> > Republicans dodged a big bullet at the Ames straw poll on Saturday. If just
> > 77 of the 4,283 people who voted for Rep. Michele Bachmann had voted instead
> > for Rep. Ron Paul, then Paul would have won the straw poll. In the end,
> > Bachmann came out ahead with 28.55 percent of the vote to Paul's 27.65
> > percent. No other candidate was close.
>
> > Some well-connected Iowa Republicans viewed it as a bullet dodged because
> > they had long feared the possibility of a Paul victory. "It would pour jet
> > fuel on the East Coast narrative that Iowa is just too nutty to have such an
> > important place in the nominating process," says one of those Republicans.
> > Before the poll, they saw a Paul-Bachmann one-two finish as the worst-case
> > scenario. They ended up with Bachmann-Paul -- a result establishment
> > Republicans viewed as somewhat better than the other way around -- and got a
> > lot of the criticism anyway.
>
> > The criticism came not just from Democrats or so-called Eastern elite RINOs
> > (Republicans In Name Only). "Ron Paul is going to destroy this party if they
> > keep him in there," said Rush Limbaugh the day after the Aug. 11 Fox
> > News-Washington Examiner debate in Ames. "This is nuts on parade."
>
> > Key Republicans in Iowa -- and around the country, too -- are genuinely
> > baffled by the Paul phenomenon. They understand (and share) many of Paul's
> > views on the Constitution and limiting the size and scope of the federal
> > government, even if they think Paul sometimes goes too far. What perplexes
> > them is Paul's take on foreign policy, especially the threat of Iran
> > acquiring nuclear weapons.
>
> > "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon?" Paul asked at
> > the Fox-Examiner debate. "They'd be given more respect. ... What's so
> > terribly bad about this?" As for sanctions against Iran, Paul said,
> > "Countries that you put sanctions on, you are more likely to fight them. ...
> > I say stay out of their internal business."
>
> > The crowd in Iowa State University's Stephens Auditorium included a large
> > group of Paul supporters who broke into loud cheers every time Paul spoke,
> > including when he gave his views on Iran. "That audience goes nuts,"
> > Limbaugh said the next day. "I think, 'Oh, my gosh, what am I watching
> > here?' "
>
> > It's likely most Republicans agree with Limbaugh's assessment, and Paul's
> > ability to say such things and still remain a force in the party confuses
> > many in the GOP. "What part of his support is attributable to a different
> > world view, and what part is attributable to the economic libertarian world
> > view?" asks the well-connected Republican, who freely admits he doesn't know
> > the answer.
>
> > No one fears that Paul will walk away with the Republican nomination. But
> > with a strong core of supporters, he has the means to stay in the race
> > nearly as long as he wants. That core support also earns him a spot in
> > high-profile debates. To qualify for the Fox-Examiner debate, for example,
> > candidates had to have at least 1 percent support in five national polls.
> > Paul qualified with plenty of room to spare; in the most recent
> > RealClearPolitics average of polls, he has 9 percent support, well ahead of
> > fellow candidates Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick Santorum,
> > and, until his withdrawal from the race Sunday, Tim Pawlenty.
>
> > Paul also has enough money to do what he wants. He reported raising $4.5
> > million in the second quarter of this year, with about $3 million in the
> > bank. Since he has decided to retire from the House, he can also spend
> > unused funds raised for congressional campaigns.
>
> > Speaking of retirement -- one aspect of the Paul phenomenon that has
> > received little attention so far is his age. Born in 1935, he will be 77
> > years old on Inauguration Day 2013 -- the same age Ronald Reagan was when he
> > left the White House after serving two terms. If Paul were elected and
> > re-elected, he'd be 85 at the end of his time in the White House. Even
> > though Americans are living longer, most people would probably agree that's
> > too old for a president.
>
> > But the Paul campaign isn't really about the practical possibility that he
> > might become president. It's more about Paul's supporters forcing the larger
> > political establishment to acknowledge that he's right. "The day will come
> > soon when candidate Paul will get his due," tweeted one supporter recently.
> > "Blowback is gonna be a b---h."
>
> > Of course, most Republicans don't believe that. But Paul commands enough
> > support to make his presence known all the way through next year.
>
> >http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/gop-operatives-fear-la...
>
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