Re: Torturing Terrorists Works

The novel is hardly comparable to reality is it ? Or are
novels really a reality to you. Are you suggesting that the twin
towers were a figment of our imagination and that Bin Ladens death
came out of a 1984 novel. Huh ?
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As I told GoB, it was a reply to MJ's Orwell post

Novels are what they are ... no, nothing in common between 84 and 911.

On May 3, 10:12 pm, Sage2 <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>              The novel is hardly comparable to reality is it ? Or are
> novels really a reality to you. Are you suggesting that the twin
> towers were a figment of our imagination and that Bin Ladens death
> came out of a 1984 novel. Huh ?
>
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>
> On May 3, 10:38 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The name "Goldstein" is German Jewish, just as is Trotsky's original
> > surname Bronstein. The first name Emmanuel means "God with us"; his
> > whole name would be a metaphor for a Messiah character. His name can
> > refer to Emma Goldman, a notable anarchist. Emmanuel may be a
> > reference to Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich, a nonexistent orator that was
> > used as a source to fuel antisemitic propaganda, much as Emmanuel
> > Goldstein was to be the common focus of anger for the society in the
> > novel.
>
> > "Goldstein is the Osama Bin Laden figure in Orwell's novel, an
> > extremely elusive person who is never seen, never captured, but
> > believed by the leadership of Oceania to be still alive and hatching
> > his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the
> > protection of his foreign paymasters. Since Goldstein is never
> > captured, the battle against his crimes, treacheries, sabotages must
> > never end."
> > Drawing parallel's between Goldstein and Osama Bin Laden began a week
> > after the September 11 Attacks, when professor William L. Anderson at
> > Frostburg State University wrote a column for LewRockwell.com entitled
> > "Osama and Goldstein".
> > The legal scholar Cass Sunstein in his 2009 book Worst-Case Scenarios,
> > coins what he deems the "Goldstein Effect", describing it as "the
> > ability to intensify public concern by giving a definite face to the
> > adversary, specifying a human source of the underlying threat."
> > According to Sunstein, since the U.S. War on Terror has so heavily
> > associated terrorism with Osama Bin Laden, the outrage has intensified
> > in similar ways as displayed in 1984.
>
> > On May 3, 9:14 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > So says the Government. Good thing they NEVER lie.
> > > Regard$,
> > > --MJ
> > > As usual, the face of Emmanual Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The little sandy-haired woman gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Goldstein was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of the Party, almost on a level with Big Brother himself, and then had engaged in counter-revolutionary activities, had been condemned to death, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure. He was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of the Party's purity. All subsequent crimes against the Party, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of his teaching. Somewhere or other he was still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters, perhaps even -- so it was occasionally rumoured -- in some hiding-place in Oceania itself. -- George Orwell, 1984- Hide quoted text -
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