Saturday, January 8, 2011

Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit

How I would save the country: Amendment XXVIII - Restoration of the Republic Amendment

by Vince Pac on Sunday, October 10, 2010 at 3:33pm

Amendment XXVIII - Restoration of the Republic Amendment

 

Section 1

The validity of the public debt of the United States, including government debts incurred for issuance, purchase, sale or resale, or repackaging, or reforming, or guaranteeing, or implicitly guaranteeing of real estate loans and post-secondary-level student loans and derivatives thereof including debt arising from the Government's interference with otherwise insolvent banks and organizations affected by such obligations , shall be questioned.All such directly incurred debt shall be disclaimed and all guarantees of such debt held by other parties shall be repudiated.

 

All such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void if owed by the Federal Government. The financial obligations of previously classified "Government Sponsored Enterprises" shall be assumed , by share, to the political parties of the campaigns of candidates employees of the GSEs donated, also by share, the obligations shall be born to all Non-Profit Organizations that the GSEs' foundations funded. Upon the disestablishment of a NPO, the successor NPO shall assume the previous NPOs obligation share.These debts were incurred in bad faith and constitute a Social-Contract-breaking crime under this Constitution and thus it is illegal for the Government of the People of the United States to honor such destructive disingenuous obligations.

 

Section 2.

The Article III definition of Treason shall be expanded to also include Conspiracies to render the Government of the United States insolvent by the abusive assumption or issuance of knowingly unpayable debt.

 

The Article I Section 6 Treason exception to the protection against arrest shall be extended to include this definition expansion.

 

Section 3.

Until the Federal Government of the United States pays off all debt or has a balanced budget for more than 10 years (whatever comes last), the city of Washington in the Federal District shall be named "Pelosi" afterwhich the name "Washington" can be restored.

 

Section 4. 

Article I Section 8 shall be amended from

 

"The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

 

Shall now read

 

"Restricted by the following enumeration, the Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

 

Article I Section 8 shall be amended from

"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"

 

shall now read

 

"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and to encourage ,ease and constructively facilitate in the most limited sense, Commerce among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"

 

Section 5

 

Article of Amendment XVI is hereby repealed

 

Article of Amendment XVII is hereby repealed. The restoration of the original rules will be by Class when that Class election normally occurs.

 

Section 6

The "Progressive Era" Amendments (excluding Amendment XIX) shall be regarded as a direct attack upon the Principles of the American Revolution and Self-Governance.

 

All schools shall teach their students that such ideas are anathema to the Republic of the United States of America.

 

Treason shall be expanded to included anyone who teaches a student otherwise

 

Section 7

The Federal Reserve System of the United States shall be abolished within one year of adoption of this Article of Amendment.All Federal Reserve Notes shall be redeemed by that amount of gold which shall be established by Congress and shall not be altered subsequent to the initial valuation.

 

Federal Reserve Notes shall be invalid for the tendering of any debt public or private two years after the adoption of this Article of Amendment

 

Any bank notes in the future shall be issued purely by private banks for non public purposes. The Congress of the United States has no authority to delegate matters of currency to any institution which shall do so by the issuance of notes or electronic equivilent of notes.


On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Correa, Richard A Sr SGT RET <richard.correasr@us.army.mil> wrote:
Unless you are counting social security and medicare/medicaid I think that number is erroneous. As the CBO projects that social security, medicare/medicaid and interest on the national debt will consume every dollar raised by the federal government sometime in the 2020s or 2030s (don't remember specifically when but we can look it up) it is clear that the other entitlement programs take up a major portion of the budget. BTW, they are now 'projecting' that care for our returning veterans will cost 1+ Trillion dollars sometime in the next couple of decades. Not sure how rhey come to that but it is something to be concerned about, especially if they are using this as a reason to apply Obama-care to veterans.

----- Original Message -----
From: jeanie backus coates <taxpayersforjustice@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, January 7, 2011 23:50
Subject: Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
To: tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com


> Actually Fritz, I do not know where I originally found the number
> but it was
> some research I was doing....then in a recent conversation with an
> electedofficial from DC, she restated the same.
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Fritz < wrote:
>
> >  *Jeanie:  I think the analogy to personal finance is apt here.  The
> > government must borrow for the same reason that we borrow (home mortgages
> > and credit cards): because we /they want things beyond our means.  We want
> > homes and cars, the government wants wars, repair of natural disasters,
> > welfare state programs the public now expects.  These are not bluff; they
> > are reality.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Can you reduce your expenses by 50% in response to reduce income?  I
> > think not.  The government is no different.  Just a wave of the hand that
> > dismisses most government expenditures as unconstitutional is the ostrich
> > approach and will not produce anything useful.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *It is time to stop being a protest movement folks, and to start
> > developing policy alternatives that will work in the environment of 2012,
> > even while we work for the environment of 1787.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *BTW Jeanie: The 64-67% number is interesting and useful.  Where does it
> > come from?*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *jeanie backus coates
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:25 PM
> >
> > *To:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the answer, Fritz.  I think we should call their bluff.  Why
> > can't they cut the government by 50% when at least that much of what they
> > are spending is unconstitutional.  64 to 67% of our national debt is due to
> > entitlement programs and that is most definitely unconstitutional.  I am not
> > talking about Social Security because that is or was supposed to be a
> > retirement plan that individuals paid into to guarantee them a way to
> > survive after retirement.  It is a social program and we the People should
> > never have bought into it but we did so until we can get those who have
> > spent their lives paying into it and are now in or nearing retirement, we
> > must figure out a way to pay for it because it is the right thing to do.
> >
> > However, the welfare program is legal theft on behalf of the slothful by
> > our government and is a crime against the People that should end
> > immediately.
> > I guarantee you let them challenge the TPP to find the cuts and what do you
> > wanna bet, we can find them and with little notice from the taxpayers.  Yes,
> > those that are living off of us will feel it but no one else.  We should
> > challenge them to give us the chance to do it.  I do have confidence in our
> > math skills and common sense....can't say that for elected officials so far.
> >
> > I like Brian's idea...that's a definite consideration.
> > Thanks Pat.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Fritz < wrote:
> >
> > *But 'pay as you go' is a nice slogan that doesn't address the problem.  *
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Majors
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:31 PM
> >
> >
> > *To:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it is the other way around
> >
> >
> >
> > borrowing causes government to expand
> >
> >
> >
> > pay as you go
> >
> >
> >
> > spend only what you have
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Fritz < wrote:
> >
> > *Because they must to remain solvent when during bad economic times when
> > revenues are reduced by less economic activity.  It's been estimated that an
> > economy in recession can only provide revenues of about 14% of GDP, compared
> > to the ~30% now being expended.  So, if borrowing is not allowed, government
> > would have to shrink by about 50% during a recession- which it cannot do.
> >  Wars also cause expenses in excess of revenues and require borrowing.*
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Majors
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:13 AM
> > *To:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >
> > why do I want the federal government to be able to borrow money?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Fritz t> wrote:
> >
> > *I think there are two reasons, Bruce.  First, a repudiation of the
> > national debt would seriously jeopardize our financial standing in the world
> > and make it impossible to borrow money.  That would put the US in the same
> > boat as Greece, Italy, Ireland, etc.   Second, the national debt is only a
> > symptom of the problem we have.  The problem is SPENDING.   So rather than
> > spending time on financing schemes that would take the government off the
> > hook for past sins, we must concentrate on the real problem and decide how
> > to reduce federal spending.  First reports suggest that Republicans of the
> > 112th Congress are poised to do just that.  They will need all the support
> > they can get.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Majors
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM
> > *To:* DefeatLibs
> > *Subject:* {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >  *Why don't tea partiers begin discussing repudiating and renegotiating
> > the national debt? Why should we continue to guarantee or pay our drunken
> > layabout thieving cousin's credit card bills? Why shouldn't we just
> > repudiate federal debt so no one will lend to the FedGov and many will sue
> > it and force it to try to raise taxes -- or privatize and sell off minerals,
> > lands, and buildings?*
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