wrong, which is occasional but unusual.
Right On!
On 1/3/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Uhm Tommy. I agree with you.
>
> You sure I'm misguided?
>
> On Jan 3, 9:35 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greg-
>>
>> You are quite misinformed and misguided about pedophelia, I see. Your
>> Reich wing statistics are incorrect.
>> 99 percent of Pedophiles are heterosexual. About 90- 92 Percent of the
>> population is heterosexual.
>>
>> Please read this in it's entirety and then report back to me:
>>
>> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
>>
>> A snippet:
>>
>> Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as
>> representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For
>> example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian
>> babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often
>> lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.
>> In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat
>> to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully
>> to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay
>> discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and
>> warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could
>> sexually molest children" (Bryant, 1977, p. 114). [Bibliographic
>> references are on a different web page]
>>
>> In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay
>> people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates
>> about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and
>> scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's
>> resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay
>> activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this
>> canard.
>>
>> The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual
>> orientation is important because many child molesters don't really
>> have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the
>> capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men
>> or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys,
>> girls, or children of both sexes.
>>
>> Statistics and Conclusion:
>>
>> Freund et al. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age
>> preference. Journal of Sex Research, 26, 107-117.
>> This article is discussed above in the "Other Approaches" section. As
>> the FRC concedes, it contradicts their argument. The abstract
>> summarizes the authors' conclusion: "Findings indicate that homosexual
>> males who preferred mature partners responded no more to male children
>> than heterosexual males who preferred mature partners responded to
>> female children."
>>
>> Silverthorne & Quinsey. (2000). Sexual partner age preferences of
>> homosexual and heterosexual men and women. Archives of Sexual
>> Behavior, 29, 67-76.
>> The FRC cites this study to challenge the Freund et al. data (see the
>> previous paper above). However, the methodologies were quite
>> different. Freund and his colleagues used a sample that included sex
>> offenders and they assessed sexual arousal with a physiological
>> measure similar to that described below for the 1988 Marshall et al.
>> study. Silverthorne and Quinsey used a sample of community volunteers
>> who were asked to view pictures of human faces and use a 7-point scale
>> to rate their sexual attractiveness. The apparent ages of the people
>> portrayed in the pictures was originally estimated by Dr. Silverthorne
>> to range from 15 to 50. However, a group of independent raters
>> perceived the male faces to range in age from 18 to 58, and the female
>> faces to range from 19 to 60.
>>
>> The article doesn't report the data in great detail (e.g., average
>> ratings are depicted only in a graphic; the actual numbers aren't
>> reported) and the authors provide contradictory information about the
>> rating scale (they describe it as a 7-point scale but also say it
>> ranged from 0 to 7, which constitutes an 8-point scale). In either
>> case, it appears that none of the pictures was rated as "very sexually
>> attractive" (a rating of 7). Rather, the highest average ratings were
>> approximately 5.
>>
>> On average, gay men rated the 18-year old male faces the most
>> attractive (average rating = about 5), with attractiveness ratings
>> declining steadily for older faces. They rated the 58-year old male
>> faces 2, on average. By contrast, heterosexual men rated the 25-year
>> old female faces the most attractive (about 5), with the 18- and
>> 28-year old female faces rated lower (between 2 and 3) and the 60-year
>> old female faces rated the least attractive (about 1).
>>
>> A serious problem with this study is that the researchers didn't
>> control for the possibility that some of the faces pictured in the
>> photos might simply have been more or less physically attractive than
>> the others, independent of their age or gender. The researchers
>> explicitly acknowledged this shortcoming, speculating that the women's
>> faces in the 25-year old group might have been more attractive than
>> women's faces in the other age groups. But they didn't address the
>> possibility that the attractiveness of the male and female faces may
>> not have been comparable.
>>
>> This issue could have been addressed in various ways. For example,
>> prior to collecting data, the researchers could have started with a
>> large number of photographs and asked a group of independent raters to
>> evaluate the general physical attractiveness of the face in each
>> photo; these ratings could have been used to select photos for the
>> experiment that were equivalent in attractiveness. Getting independent
>> ratings of experimental stimuli in this way is a common procedure in
>> social psychological research.
>>
>> Thus, even if one accepts the questionable assumption that this study
>> is relevant, it doesn't support the FRC's contention that gay men are
>> more likely than heterosexual men to be child molesters for several
>> reasons:
>>
>> the researchers failed to control for the varying attractiveness of
>> the different photos;
>> all of the faces portrayed in the photos were perceived to be at least 18;
>> and
>> the study merely assessed judgments of sexual attractiveness rather
>> than the research participants' sexual arousal.
>>
>> Blanchard et al. (2000). Fraternal birth order and sexual orientation
>> in pedophiles. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 29, 463-478.
>> This study categorized convicted sex offenders according to whether
>> they molested or reported sexual attraction to boys only, girls only,
>> or both boys and girls. These groups were labeled, respectively,
>> homosexual pedophiles, heterosexual pedophiles, and bisexual
>> pedophiles. This classification referred to their attractions to
>> children. Adult sexual orientation (or even whether the men had an
>> adult sexual orientation) wasn't assessed.
>>
>> Elliott et al. (1995). Child sexual abuse prevention: What offenders
>> tell us. Child Abuse & Neglect, 19, 579-594.
>> In this study, child sex offenders were interviewed. Their sexual
>> orientation (gay, heterosexual, bisexual) wasn't assessed. The authors
>> drew from their findings to suggest strategies for how parents and
>> children can prevent sexual victimization. It is noteworthy that none
>> of those strategies involved avoiding gay men.
>>
>> Jenny et al. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by
>> homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94, 41-44.
>> This study, described above in the section on "Other Approaches,"
>> contradicts the FRC's argument. The FRC faults the study because the
>> researchers didn't directly interview perpetrators but instead relied
>> on the victims' medical charts for information about the offender's
>> sexual orientation. However, other studies cited favorably by the FRC
>> (and summarized in this section) similarly relied on chart data
>> (Erickson et al., 1988) or did not directly assess the sexual
>> orientation of perpetrators (Blanchard et al. 2000; Elliott et al.
>> 1995; Marshall et al., 1988). Thus, the FRC apparently considers this
>> method a weakness only when it leads to results they dislike.
>>
>> Marshall et al. (1988). Sexual offenders against male children: Sexual
>> preference. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 26, 383-391.
>> In this study, the researchers compared 21 men who had sexually
>> molested a male under 16 years (and at least 5 years younger than
>> themselves) to 18 unemployed men who were not known to have molested a
>> child. Over a series of sessions, each man watched color slides of
>> nude males and females of various ages and listened to audiotaped
>> descriptions of both coercive and consensual sexual interactions
>> between a man and a boy. During the sessions, each man sat in a
>> private booth, where he was instructed to lower his trousers and
>> underwear and attach a rubber tube to his penis. The tube detected any
>> changes in penis circumference, with increases interpreted as
>> indicating sexual arousal.
>>
>> The FRC cites this study as showing that "a homosexual and a
>> heterosexual subgroup can be delineated among these offenders." This
>> is true but hardly relevant to their claims.
>>
>> The researchers categorized 7 offenders who were more aroused overall
>> by the male nudes than the female nudes as the homosexual subgroup.
>> They categorized 14 offenders who were more aroused overall by the
>> female nudes as the heterosexual subgroup. The offenders were not
>> asked their sexual orientation (gay, straight, bisexual) and the paper
>> does not report any information about the nature of the offenders'
>> adult sexual relationships, or even if they had any such
>> relationships.
>>
>> Bickley & Beech. (2001). Classifying child abusers: Its relevance to
>> theory and clinical practice. International Journal Of Offender
>> Therapy And Comparative Criminology, 45, 51-69.
>> This is a literature review and theoretical paper that discusses the
>> strengths and weaknesses of various systems for classifying child
>> molesters. In citing this study, the FRC says it:
>>
>> refers to homosexual pedophiles as a "distinct group." The victims of
>> homosexual pedophiles "were more likely to be strangers, that they
>> were more likely to have engaged in paraphiliac behavior separate from
>> that involved in the offence, and that they were more likely to have
>> past convictions for sexual offences.... Other studies [showed a]
>> greater risk of reoffending than those who had offended against girls"
>> and that the "recidivism rate for male-victim offenders is
>> approximately twice that ...
>>
>> read more »
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