the point!
What WAS codified was the outright ban on gays, and that was done
overwhelmingly, by a dem congress in 1993.
On Dec 12, 3:15 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I stand corrected. I am correct that the discriminatory DADT
> "compromise" brokered by Colin Powell and codified by the Congress in
> a bi-partisan fashion, failed, has ruined thousands of lives and
> careers, harmed military readiness, cost millions, and must be
> repealed.
>
> On 12/12/10, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > You are wrong. DADT was codified under a Dem Congress, a Dem Senate and
> > signed by a Dem President. Newt Gingrich did not take over until 1995
> > after the Dems lost the election in Nov 1994 in large part due to
> > Hillary and the Hillarycare project that was so badly mismanaged.
>
> > On 12/12/2010 02:58 PM, Tommy News wrote:
> >> I believe DADT was codified by the Congress under Newt Gingrich.
> >> President Clinton agreed to the compromise, brokered by Colin Powell
> >> whio sent me a letter abourt it at that time. Clinton later said DADT
> >> was a mistake, as the discriminatory policy failed.
>
> >> President Obama, who now wears a flag pin, and has since the campaign,
> >> is not a Muslim, and even if he were, there would be nothing wrong
> >> with that.
>
> >> You are clearly an un-American Islamophobic believer of false Reich
> >> wing GOP smear and hate.
>
> >> On 12/11/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Tommy,
> >>> DADT was made by executive order and can only be killed by executive
> >>> order or the courts. It has been killed, Obama is fighting it.... Why
> >>> would he do that ?? Only one reason I can think of... Muslim grade
> >>> school, Muslim dads (both), bows to muslim leaders, Recites the Koran,
> >>> doesa not wear US Flag lapel, does not salute the US flag, was a
> >>> member of Reverend Wrights "christian" church where he admits half the
> >>> members are indeed moslim....
>
> >>> Add all the above FACTS to the way Muslims feel about Gays and tell me
> >>> why he would SUE to keep DADT active when all it takes to end it is
> >>> HIS signature... NO VOTE NEEDED.
>
> >>> On Dec 11, 11:36 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Well I disagree with part of that.
>
> >>>> President Obama wants DADT and DOMA repealed, but he wants the
> >>>> legislature to do it. He has said "Send me a bill".
>
> >>>> The Department Of Justice is obliged to uphold existing laws, even
> >>>> those the Administration disagrees with.
>
> >>>> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Thats neither my job nor perogative.
> >>>>> We OBVIOUSLY disagree ideologically/philisophically/any ogically.
> >>>>> THATS the reason I come here. If i want people to agree with me, I go
> >>>>> to FreeReblica, and I don't
> >>>>> We have had sprirted debates for sure, but I don't we've ended up in
> >>>>> blind insults
> >>>>> (If I have, I'm sorry - If you have so should be you)
> >>>>> Here it is, ok?
> >>>>> Congress has proven INCREDIBLY inept at getting rid of DADT. Blame
> >>>>> GOP or Dems, I don't care! The judicial branch HAS killed it, and if
> >>>>> not for a DOJ challenge, it would be 3 months dead - end of story,
> >>>>> Fuck congress, lets move on.
> >>>>> Its a kiss. A gift. STOP! Politics is over. The Judicial Branch
> >>>>> ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
> >>>>> It don't get more binding than that. WTF happens if Obama takes this
> >>>>> to SCOTUS, and the CONSERVATIVES uphold Virginia Philips' ruling.
> >>>>> We're talking more egg on faces than Omelettes for America, (Europe,
> >>>>> Asia, Africa...)
> >>>>> Why challenge a case you believe is RIGHT???
> >>>>> As PROVEN, no, there is NO obligation to do so. Judicial checks are
> >>>>> equal to the other 2.
> >>>>> Oh, and I thing DOMA is WORSE!
> >>>>> And yet here is Obama fighting for THAT too!
> >>>>> Point: Gay rights being left v right is BULLSHIT! Look at the LEFT!
> >>>>> God bless, mate, and keep up the banter.
> >>>>> On Dec 11, 10:45 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Thank you Greg.
> >>>>>> You are more Progressive than I had realized.
> >>>>>> Perhaps you can teach Keith and others a thing or two.
> >>>>>> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Get ready Tommy. . .
> >>>>>>> I couldn't agree more!
> >>>>>>> Please realize that I am adamently against both DADT and DOMA.
> >>>>>>> I am simply saying that neither POTUS, nor anyone else needs congress
> >>>>>>> to end DADT (and the ban). The judicial branch has already done it.
> >>>>>>> 3 equal branches. This is the judicial check. Roll with it!
> >>>>>>> Probably the musician in me (and there's a lot of that in me)
> >>>>>>> On Dec 11, 10:27 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Tiny Keithie Keith Keithie-
> >>>>>>>> You have a dirty, offensive mind.
> >>>>>>>> You are Wrong again, again, and yet again.
> >>>>>>>> I do not have hate, lies and smear as you falsely and slanderously
> >>>>>>>> state and insult me over and over and over again.
> >>>>>>>> This explanation put forth demonstrates your misguided
> >>>>>>>> misconceptions
> >>>>>>>> and your blatant homophobia even further. Your thinking is not at
> >>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>> cognitive, it is deeply prejudiced.
> >>>>>>>> Most gays do not put their sexuality at the forefront of their
> >>>>>>>> lives.
> >>>>>>>> In fact, most choose to hide and surpress their sexuality, and their
> >>>>>>>> very essense, due to homophobia, opression, and persecution. While
> >>>>>>>> heterosexuals go around talking about their romantic encounters,
> >>>>>>>> relationsips, and crushes etc, ad nauseum.
> >>>>>>>> Many gays are chaste and even celebate, and most certainly do NOT
> >>>>>>>> flaunt their sexuality or dress in a flamboyant manner. Many look
> >>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>> ordinary and conservative than most heterosexuals. There are a few,
> >>>>>>>> but there are many heterosexuals who have flamboyant deress and
> >>>>>>>> behavior, and unusual sexualities and kinkly fetishes. Pinning those
> >>>>>>>> behaviors soley on a few gays is unfair and false.
> >>>>>>>> Your mischaracterizations, stereotyping, typecasting, and mind in
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> gutter demonstrates your deep prejudice and homophobia.
> >>>>>>>> You, Keith, are a judgemental prejudiced homophobic bigot.
> >>>>>>>> Yes, you are.
> >>>>>>>> On 12/10/10, Keith In Tampa<keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Lil' TommyTomTom,
> >>>>>>>>> This is where your hate, lies and smear get in the way of your
> >>>>>>>>> cognitive
> >>>>>>>>> thinking.
> >>>>>>>>> Because I am opposed to those individuals who put what they do in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> bedroom at the forefront of their lives; in other words, because
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>>> opposed to those individuals that define their very existence by
> >>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> sexuality, this does not make me a "Homophobe".
> >>>>>>>>> What you do behind closed doors might be wonderful. I don't know.
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>> never know. I don't care what it is that you do sexually.
> >>>>>>>>> I am opposed to those militants who are attempting to force their
> >>>>>>>>> sexuality
> >>>>>>>>> upon me, and the rest of America. I am opposed to parades in
> >>>>>>>>> front
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> children with you donned in assless chaps, boas, and/or dressed as
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Statute of Liberty. I am opposed to you, and any other group or
> >>>>>>>>> entity
> >>>>>>>>> demanding more rights than what the rest of Americans enjoy,
> >>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>> you sleep with.
> >>>>>>>>> You are correct, that there have been Gays in our United States
> >>>>>>>>> military
> >>>>>>>>> since 1776. None of them chose to get out and parade around,
> >>>>>>>>> announcing
> >>>>>>>>> who it is that they are boffing or honking on. This is how it
> >>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>> be.
> >>>>>>>>> KeithInDC
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Tommy News
> >>>>>>>>> <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Wrong again Keith.
> >>>>>>>>>> Your homophobia is showing.
> >>>>>>>>>> Gays have been serving in the military, well, since before
> >>>>>>>>>> Alexander
> >>>>>>>>>> The Great and his lover Hephaesteon.
> >>>>>>>>>> The existing military code of conduct shoold be adequate for any
> >>>>>>>>>> behavior issues from a very few.
> >>>>>>>>>> By your logic, heterosexuals should be banned from the military
> >>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>> well due to criminals like Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, variuus
> >>>>>>>>>> felons, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>> Please also note that Military Enlistment of Felons Doubled under
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Bush Administration.
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/military_enlistment_of_...
> >>>>>>>>>> Top Ten American War
> >>>>>>>>>> Criminals Living
> >>>>>>>>>> Freely Today
> >>>>>>>>>> Rense Exclusive
> >>>>>>>>>> By Douglas Herman
> >>>>>>>>>> 12-14-5
> >>>>>>>>>> A war crime is a punishable offense, under international law, for
> >>>>>>>>>> violations of the law of war by any person or persons, military
> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime. Also,
> >>>>>>>>>> war
> >>>>>>>>>> crimes are those committed during wartime in violation of
> >>>>>>>>>> international conventions intended to protect civilian
> >>>>>>>>>> populations
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> prisoners of war. You will note that many on this list,
> >>>>>>>>>> categorized
> >>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>> war criminals, ironically, are among the most powerful and
> >>>>>>>>>> wealthy
> >>>>>>>>>> US
> >>>>>>>>>> citizens
> >>>>>>>>>> Robert McNamara. Former US Secretary of Defense, helped kill
> >>>>>>>>>> approximately 2-3 million, mostly poor Vietnamese, Cambodians and
> >>>>>>>>>> Laotians. Not to mention a sizeable portion of the 58,000 dead US
> >>>>>>>>>> servicemen pressed into that war. Not to mention that equal
> >>>>>>>>>> number
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> US veterans who committed suicide in the years to follow.
> >>>>>>>>>> McNamara
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> an Elder Statesman now, walking around freely today.
> >>>>>>>>>> Henry Kissinger. Former US Secretary of State, had a hand in the
> >>>>>>>>>> killings mentioned above. Plus condoned thousands of additional
> >>>>>>>>>> killings in Chile, under the sponsorship of US foreign policy.
> >>>>>>>>>> Won
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. Elder Statesman, walking
> >>>>>>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>> freely today.
> >>>>>>>>>> George HW Bush. Former super spy, former US President, the first
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> graduate from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) into the
> >>>>>>>>>> presidency and bring lessons learned at CIA headquarters directly
> >>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>> US policy. While serving under Ronald Reagan, helped encourage
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Iraq-Iran war, resulting in deaths of one million people,
> >>>>>>>>>> allowing
> >>>>>>>>>> US
> >>>>>>>>>> oil and arms dealers to profit greatly. During the 'Eighties,
> >>>>>>>>>> helped
> >>>>>>>>>> encourage US sponsored military dictators in Latin America,
> >>>>>>>>>> guilty
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> extermination of thousands of ordinary citizens, via US-trained
> >>>>>>>>>> "death
> >>>>>>>>>> squads." Conducted pre-emptive war with Panama, resulting in
> >>>>>>>>>> 1,000-4,000 deaths, simply to topple former CIA henchman and drug
> >>>>>>>>>> lord, Manuel Noriega. Elder Statesman, walking around freely
> >>>>>>>>>> today,
> >>>>>>>>>> basking in limelight.
> >>>>>>>>>> George W. Bush. Two term US president, elected using electronic,
> >>>>>>>>>> "black box" voting methods that permit no verification of actual
> >>>>>>>>>> vote
> >>>>>>>>>> count. Conducted two pre-emptive wars, resulting in excess of
> >>>>>>>>>> 100,000
> >>>>>>>>>> US. Iraqi and Afghani deaths. Condones the use of torture as US
> >>>>>>>>>> policy. Condones rejection of the Geneva Convention, becoming the
> >>>>>>>>>> first US president to openly do so. Considers the US Constitution
> >>>>>>>>>> "A
> >>>>>>>>>> Goddamned piece of paper." Embattled Statesman, walking around
> >>>>>>>>>> freely
> >>>>>>>>>> today.
> >>>>>>>>>> Dick Cheney. Former US Secretary of Defense, and signator of the
> >>>>>>>>>> PNAC,
> >>>>>>>>>> and current Vice President. Accused mastermind of the 911
> >>>>>>>>>> "terrorist"
> >>>>>>>>>> attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The
> >>>>>>>>>> Vice
> >>>>>>>>>> President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch
> >>>>>>>>>> supporter
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and
> >>>>>>>>>> Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the
> >>>>>>>>>> war.
> >>>>>>>>>> Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
> >>>>>>>>>> 8. Paul Wolfowitz. Former US Deputy Secretary of Defense and
> >>>>>>>>>> architect
> >>>>>>>>>> of the Middle Eastern War Without End. Casualties in two
> >>>>>>>>>> pre-emptive
> >>>>>>>>>> wars now exceed 100,000 deaths, not including the estimated
> >>>>>>>>>> 2,000+
> >>>> ...
>
> >>>> read more »
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> Tommy
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