"compromise" brokered by Colin Powell and codified by the Congress in
a bi-partisan fashion, failed, has ruined thousands of lives and
careers, harmed military readiness, cost millions, and must be
repealed.
On 12/12/10, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You are wrong. DADT was codified under a Dem Congress, a Dem Senate and
> signed by a Dem President. Newt Gingrich did not take over until 1995
> after the Dems lost the election in Nov 1994 in large part due to
> Hillary and the Hillarycare project that was so badly mismanaged.
>
> On 12/12/2010 02:58 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>> I believe DADT was codified by the Congress under Newt Gingrich.
>> President Clinton agreed to the compromise, brokered by Colin Powell
>> whio sent me a letter abourt it at that time. Clinton later said DADT
>> was a mistake, as the discriminatory policy failed.
>>
>> President Obama, who now wears a flag pin, and has since the campaign,
>> is not a Muslim, and even if he were, there would be nothing wrong
>> with that.
>>
>> You are clearly an un-American Islamophobic believer of false Reich
>> wing GOP smear and hate.
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tommy,
>>> DADT was made by executive order and can only be killed by executive
>>> order or the courts. It has been killed, Obama is fighting it.... Why
>>> would he do that ?? Only one reason I can think of... Muslim grade
>>> school, Muslim dads (both), bows to muslim leaders, Recites the Koran,
>>> doesa not wear US Flag lapel, does not salute the US flag, was a
>>> member of Reverend Wrights "christian" church where he admits half the
>>> members are indeed moslim....
>>>
>>> Add all the above FACTS to the way Muslims feel about Gays and tell me
>>> why he would SUE to keep DADT active when all it takes to end it is
>>> HIS signature... NO VOTE NEEDED.
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 11:36 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well I disagree with part of that.
>>>>
>>>> President Obama wants DADT and DOMA repealed, but he wants the
>>>> legislature to do it. He has said "Send me a bill".
>>>>
>>>> The Department Of Justice is obliged to uphold existing laws, even
>>>> those the Administration disagrees with.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thats neither my job nor perogative.
>>>>> We OBVIOUSLY disagree ideologically/philisophically/any ogically.
>>>>> THATS the reason I come here. If i want people to agree with me, I go
>>>>> to FreeReblica, and I don't
>>>>> We have had sprirted debates for sure, but I don't we've ended up in
>>>>> blind insults
>>>>> (If I have, I'm sorry - If you have so should be you)
>>>>> Here it is, ok?
>>>>> Congress has proven INCREDIBLY inept at getting rid of DADT. Blame
>>>>> GOP or Dems, I don't care! The judicial branch HAS killed it, and if
>>>>> not for a DOJ challenge, it would be 3 months dead - end of story,
>>>>> Fuck congress, lets move on.
>>>>> Its a kiss. A gift. STOP! Politics is over. The Judicial Branch
>>>>> ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
>>>>> It don't get more binding than that. WTF happens if Obama takes this
>>>>> to SCOTUS, and the CONSERVATIVES uphold Virginia Philips' ruling.
>>>>> We're talking more egg on faces than Omelettes for America, (Europe,
>>>>> Asia, Africa...)
>>>>> Why challenge a case you believe is RIGHT???
>>>>> As PROVEN, no, there is NO obligation to do so. Judicial checks are
>>>>> equal to the other 2.
>>>>> Oh, and I thing DOMA is WORSE!
>>>>> And yet here is Obama fighting for THAT too!
>>>>> Point: Gay rights being left v right is BULLSHIT! Look at the LEFT!
>>>>> God bless, mate, and keep up the banter.
>>>>> On Dec 11, 10:45 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you Greg.
>>>>>> You are more Progressive than I had realized.
>>>>>> Perhaps you can teach Keith and others a thing or two.
>>>>>> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Get ready Tommy. . .
>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more!
>>>>>>> Please realize that I am adamently against both DADT and DOMA.
>>>>>>> I am simply saying that neither POTUS, nor anyone else needs congress
>>>>>>> to end DADT (and the ban). The judicial branch has already done it.
>>>>>>> 3 equal branches. This is the judicial check. Roll with it!
>>>>>>> Probably the musician in me (and there's a lot of that in me)
>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 10:27 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tiny Keithie Keith Keithie-
>>>>>>>> You have a dirty, offensive mind.
>>>>>>>> You are Wrong again, again, and yet again.
>>>>>>>> I do not have hate, lies and smear as you falsely and slanderously
>>>>>>>> state and insult me over and over and over again.
>>>>>>>> This explanation put forth demonstrates your misguided
>>>>>>>> misconceptions
>>>>>>>> and your blatant homophobia even further. Your thinking is not at
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> cognitive, it is deeply prejudiced.
>>>>>>>> Most gays do not put their sexuality at the forefront of their
>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>> In fact, most choose to hide and surpress their sexuality, and their
>>>>>>>> very essense, due to homophobia, opression, and persecution. While
>>>>>>>> heterosexuals go around talking about their romantic encounters,
>>>>>>>> relationsips, and crushes etc, ad nauseum.
>>>>>>>> Many gays are chaste and even celebate, and most certainly do NOT
>>>>>>>> flaunt their sexuality or dress in a flamboyant manner. Many look
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> ordinary and conservative than most heterosexuals. There are a few,
>>>>>>>> but there are many heterosexuals who have flamboyant deress and
>>>>>>>> behavior, and unusual sexualities and kinkly fetishes. Pinning those
>>>>>>>> behaviors soley on a few gays is unfair and false.
>>>>>>>> Your mischaracterizations, stereotyping, typecasting, and mind in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> gutter demonstrates your deep prejudice and homophobia.
>>>>>>>> You, Keith, are a judgemental prejudiced homophobic bigot.
>>>>>>>> Yes, you are.
>>>>>>>> On 12/10/10, Keith In Tampa<keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Lil' TommyTomTom,
>>>>>>>>> This is where your hate, lies and smear get in the way of your
>>>>>>>>> cognitive
>>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>> Because I am opposed to those individuals who put what they do in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> bedroom at the forefront of their lives; in other words, because
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> opposed to those individuals that define their very existence by
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> sexuality, this does not make me a "Homophobe".
>>>>>>>>> What you do behind closed doors might be wonderful. I don't know.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> never know. I don't care what it is that you do sexually.
>>>>>>>>> I am opposed to those militants who are attempting to force their
>>>>>>>>> sexuality
>>>>>>>>> upon me, and the rest of America. I am opposed to parades in
>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> children with you donned in assless chaps, boas, and/or dressed as
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Statute of Liberty. I am opposed to you, and any other group or
>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>> demanding more rights than what the rest of Americans enjoy,
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> you sleep with.
>>>>>>>>> You are correct, that there have been Gays in our United States
>>>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>>> since 1776. None of them chose to get out and parade around,
>>>>>>>>> announcing
>>>>>>>>> who it is that they are boffing or honking on. This is how it
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> be.
>>>>>>>>> KeithInDC
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Tommy News
>>>>>>>>> <tommysn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again Keith.
>>>>>>>>>> Your homophobia is showing.
>>>>>>>>>> Gays have been serving in the military, well, since before
>>>>>>>>>> Alexander
>>>>>>>>>> The Great and his lover Hephaesteon.
>>>>>>>>>> The existing military code of conduct shoold be adequate for any
>>>>>>>>>> behavior issues from a very few.
>>>>>>>>>> By your logic, heterosexuals should be banned from the military
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> well due to criminals like Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, variuus
>>>>>>>>>> felons, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Please also note that Military Enlistment of Felons Doubled under
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Bush Administration.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/military_enlistment_of_...
>>>>>>>>>> Top Ten American War
>>>>>>>>>> Criminals Living
>>>>>>>>>> Freely Today
>>>>>>>>>> Rense Exclusive
>>>>>>>>>> By Douglas Herman
>>>>>>>>>> 12-14-5
>>>>>>>>>> A war crime is a punishable offense, under international law, for
>>>>>>>>>> violations of the law of war by any person or persons, military
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime. Also,
>>>>>>>>>> war
>>>>>>>>>> crimes are those committed during wartime in violation of
>>>>>>>>>> international conventions intended to protect civilian
>>>>>>>>>> populations
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> prisoners of war. You will note that many on this list,
>>>>>>>>>> categorized
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> war criminals, ironically, are among the most powerful and
>>>>>>>>>> wealthy
>>>>>>>>>> US
>>>>>>>>>> citizens
>>>>>>>>>> Robert McNamara. Former US Secretary of Defense, helped kill
>>>>>>>>>> approximately 2-3 million, mostly poor Vietnamese, Cambodians and
>>>>>>>>>> Laotians. Not to mention a sizeable portion of the 58,000 dead US
>>>>>>>>>> servicemen pressed into that war. Not to mention that equal
>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> US veterans who committed suicide in the years to follow.
>>>>>>>>>> McNamara
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> an Elder Statesman now, walking around freely today.
>>>>>>>>>> Henry Kissinger. Former US Secretary of State, had a hand in the
>>>>>>>>>> killings mentioned above. Plus condoned thousands of additional
>>>>>>>>>> killings in Chile, under the sponsorship of US foreign policy.
>>>>>>>>>> Won
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. Elder Statesman, walking
>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>> freely today.
>>>>>>>>>> George HW Bush. Former super spy, former US President, the first
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> graduate from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) into the
>>>>>>>>>> presidency and bring lessons learned at CIA headquarters directly
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> US policy. While serving under Ronald Reagan, helped encourage
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Iraq-Iran war, resulting in deaths of one million people,
>>>>>>>>>> allowing
>>>>>>>>>> US
>>>>>>>>>> oil and arms dealers to profit greatly. During the 'Eighties,
>>>>>>>>>> helped
>>>>>>>>>> encourage US sponsored military dictators in Latin America,
>>>>>>>>>> guilty
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> extermination of thousands of ordinary citizens, via US-trained
>>>>>>>>>> "death
>>>>>>>>>> squads." Conducted pre-emptive war with Panama, resulting in
>>>>>>>>>> 1,000-4,000 deaths, simply to topple former CIA henchman and drug
>>>>>>>>>> lord, Manuel Noriega. Elder Statesman, walking around freely
>>>>>>>>>> today,
>>>>>>>>>> basking in limelight.
>>>>>>>>>> George W. Bush. Two term US president, elected using electronic,
>>>>>>>>>> "black box" voting methods that permit no verification of actual
>>>>>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>>>>> count. Conducted two pre-emptive wars, resulting in excess of
>>>>>>>>>> 100,000
>>>>>>>>>> US. Iraqi and Afghani deaths. Condones the use of torture as US
>>>>>>>>>> policy. Condones rejection of the Geneva Convention, becoming the
>>>>>>>>>> first US president to openly do so. Considers the US Constitution
>>>>>>>>>> "A
>>>>>>>>>> Goddamned piece of paper." Embattled Statesman, walking around
>>>>>>>>>> freely
>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>>> Dick Cheney. Former US Secretary of Defense, and signator of the
>>>>>>>>>> PNAC,
>>>>>>>>>> and current Vice President. Accused mastermind of the 911
>>>>>>>>>> "terrorist"
>>>>>>>>>> attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The
>>>>>>>>>> Vice
>>>>>>>>>> President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch
>>>>>>>>>> supporter
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and
>>>>>>>>>> Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the
>>>>>>>>>> war.
>>>>>>>>>> Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
>>>>>>>>>> 8. Paul Wolfowitz. Former US Deputy Secretary of Defense and
>>>>>>>>>> architect
>>>>>>>>>> of the Middle Eastern War Without End. Casualties in two
>>>>>>>>>> pre-emptive
>>>>>>>>>> wars now exceed 100,000 deaths, not including the estimated
>>>>>>>>>> 2,000+
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> read more »
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