law unconstitutional. That is right at the top of their job
description. The executive branch is under NO obligation to challenge
the judicial. Ever. Remember that 3 equal branches thing?
Its that simple
On Dec 11, 12:36 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I disagree with part of that.
>
> President Obama wants DADT and DOMA repealed, but he wants the
> legislature to do it. He has said "Send me a bill".
>
> The Department Of Justice is obliged to uphold existing laws, even
> those the Administration disagrees with.
>
> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thats neither my job nor perogative.
>
> > We OBVIOUSLY disagree ideologically/philisophically/any ogically.
>
> > THATS the reason I come here. If i want people to agree with me, I go
> > to FreeReblica, and I don't
>
> > We have had sprirted debates for sure, but I don't we've ended up in
> > blind insults
>
> > (If I have, I'm sorry - If you have so should be you)
>
> > Here it is, ok?
>
> > Congress has proven INCREDIBLY inept at getting rid of DADT. Blame
> > GOP or Dems, I don't care! The judicial branch HAS killed it, and if
> > not for a DOJ challenge, it would be 3 months dead - end of story,
> > Fuck congress, lets move on.
>
> > Its a kiss. A gift. STOP! Politics is over. The Judicial Branch
> > ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
>
> > It don't get more binding than that. WTF happens if Obama takes this
> > to SCOTUS, and the CONSERVATIVES uphold Virginia Philips' ruling.
>
> > We're talking more egg on faces than Omelettes for America, (Europe,
> > Asia, Africa...)
>
> > Why challenge a case you believe is RIGHT???
>
> > As PROVEN, no, there is NO obligation to do so. Judicial checks are
> > equal to the other 2.
>
> > Oh, and I thing DOMA is WORSE!
>
> > And yet here is Obama fighting for THAT too!
>
> > Point: Gay rights being left v right is BULLSHIT! Look at the LEFT!
>
> > God bless, mate, and keep up the banter.
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:45 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thank you Greg.
> >> You are more Progressive than I had realized.
> >> Perhaps you can teach Keith and others a thing or two.
>
> >> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Get ready Tommy. . .
>
> >> > I couldn't agree more!
>
> >> > Please realize that I am adamently against both DADT and DOMA.
>
> >> > I am simply saying that neither POTUS, nor anyone else needs congress
> >> > to end DADT (and the ban). The judicial branch has already done it.
>
> >> > 3 equal branches. This is the judicial check. Roll with it!
>
> >> > Probably the musician in me (and there's a lot of that in me)
>
> >> > On Dec 11, 10:27 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Tiny Keithie Keith Keithie-
>
> >> >> You have a dirty, offensive mind.
> >> >> You are Wrong again, again, and yet again.
>
> >> >> I do not have hate, lies and smear as you falsely and slanderously
> >> >> state and insult me over and over and over again.
>
> >> >> This explanation put forth demonstrates your misguided misconceptions
> >> >> and your blatant homophobia even further. Your thinking is not at all
> >> >> cognitive, it is deeply prejudiced.
>
> >> >> Most gays do not put their sexuality at the forefront of their lives.
> >> >> In fact, most choose to hide and surpress their sexuality, and their
> >> >> very essense, due to homophobia, opression, and persecution. While
> >> >> heterosexuals go around talking about their romantic encounters,
> >> >> relationsips, and crushes etc, ad nauseum.
>
> >> >> Many gays are chaste and even celebate, and most certainly do NOT
> >> >> flaunt their sexuality or dress in a flamboyant manner. Many look more
> >> >> ordinary and conservative than most heterosexuals. There are a few,
> >> >> but there are many heterosexuals who have flamboyant deress and
> >> >> behavior, and unusual sexualities and kinkly fetishes. Pinning those
> >> >> behaviors soley on a few gays is unfair and false.
>
> >> >> Your mischaracterizations, stereotyping, typecasting, and mind in the
> >> >> gutter demonstrates your deep prejudice and homophobia.
> >> >> You, Keith, are a judgemental prejudiced homophobic bigot.
>
> >> >> Yes, you are.
>
> >> >> On 12/10/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Lil' TommyTomTom,
>
> >> >> > This is where your hate, lies and smear get in the way of your
> >> >> > cognitive
> >> >> > thinking.
>
> >> >> > Because I am opposed to those individuals who put what they do in the
> >> >> > bedroom at the forefront of their lives; in other words, because I
> >> >> > am
> >> >> > opposed to those individuals that define their very existence by
> >> >> > their
> >> >> > sexuality, this does not make me a "Homophobe".
>
> >> >> > What you do behind closed doors might be wonderful. I don't know. I
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > never know. I don't care what it is that you do sexually.
>
> >> >> > I am opposed to those militants who are attempting to force their
> >> >> > sexuality
> >> >> > upon me, and the rest of America. I am opposed to parades in front
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > children with you donned in assless chaps, boas, and/or dressed as
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Statute of Liberty. I am opposed to you, and any other group or
> >> >> > entity
> >> >> > demanding more rights than what the rest of Americans enjoy, because
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > who
> >> >> > you sleep with.
>
> >> >> > You are correct, that there have been Gays in our United States
> >> >> > military
> >> >> > since 1776. None of them chose to get out and parade around,
> >> >> > announcing
> >> >> > who it is that they are boffing or honking on. This is how it
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > be.
>
> >> >> > KeithInDC
>
> >> >> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Wrong again Keith.
>
> >> >> >> Your homophobia is showing.
>
> >> >> >> Gays have been serving in the military, well, since before
> >> >> >> Alexander
> >> >> >> The Great and his lover Hephaesteon.
>
> >> >> >> The existing military code of conduct shoold be adequate for any
> >> >> >> behavior issues from a very few.
>
> >> >> >> By your logic, heterosexuals should be banned from the military as
> >> >> >> well due to criminals like Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, variuus
> >> >> >> felons, etc.
>
> >> >> >> Please also note that Military Enlistment of Felons Doubled under
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Bush Administration.
>
> >> >> >>http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/military_enlistment_of_...
>
> >> >> >> Top Ten American War
> >> >> >> Criminals Living
> >> >> >> Freely Today
>
> >> >> >> Rense Exclusive
> >> >> >> By Douglas Herman
> >> >> >> 12-14-5
>
> >> >> >> A war crime is a punishable offense, under international law, for
> >> >> >> violations of the law of war by any person or persons, military or
> >> >> >> civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime. Also,
> >> >> >> war
> >> >> >> crimes are those committed during wartime in violation of
> >> >> >> international conventions intended to protect civilian populations
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> prisoners of war. You will note that many on this list, categorized
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> war criminals, ironically, are among the most powerful and wealthy
> >> >> >> US
> >> >> >> citizens
>
> >> >> >> Robert McNamara. Former US Secretary of Defense, helped kill
> >> >> >> approximately 2-3 million, mostly poor Vietnamese, Cambodians and
> >> >> >> Laotians. Not to mention a sizeable portion of the 58,000 dead US
> >> >> >> servicemen pressed into that war. Not to mention that equal number
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> US veterans who committed suicide in the years to follow. McNamara
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> an Elder Statesman now, walking around freely today.
>
> >> >> >> Henry Kissinger. Former US Secretary of State, had a hand in the
> >> >> >> killings mentioned above. Plus condoned thousands of additional
> >> >> >> killings in Chile, under the sponsorship of US foreign policy. Won
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. Elder Statesman, walking around
> >> >> >> freely today.
>
> >> >> >> George HW Bush. Former super spy, former US President, the first to
> >> >> >> graduate from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) into the
> >> >> >> presidency and bring lessons learned at CIA headquarters directly
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> US policy. While serving under Ronald Reagan, helped encourage the
> >> >> >> Iraq-Iran war, resulting in deaths of one million people, allowing
> >> >> >> US
> >> >> >> oil and arms dealers to profit greatly. During the 'Eighties,
> >> >> >> helped
> >> >> >> encourage US sponsored military dictators in Latin America, guilty
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> extermination of thousands of ordinary citizens, via US-trained
> >> >> >> "death
> >> >> >> squads." Conducted pre-emptive war with Panama, resulting in
> >> >> >> 1,000-4,000 deaths, simply to topple former CIA henchman and drug
> >> >> >> lord, Manuel Noriega. Elder Statesman, walking around freely today,
> >> >> >> basking in limelight.
>
> >> >> >> George W. Bush. Two term US president, elected using electronic,
> >> >> >> "black box" voting methods that permit no verification of actual
> >> >> >> vote
> >> >> >> count. Conducted two pre-emptive wars, resulting in excess of
> >> >> >> 100,000
> >> >> >> US. Iraqi and Afghani deaths. Condones the use of torture as US
> >> >> >> policy. Condones rejection of the Geneva Convention, becoming the
> >> >> >> first US president to openly do so. Considers the US Constitution "A
> >> >> >> Goddamned piece of paper." Embattled Statesman, walking around
> >> >> >> freely
> >> >> >> today.
>
> >> >> >> Dick Cheney. Former US Secretary of Defense, and signator of the
> >> >> >> PNAC,
> >> >> >> and current Vice President. Accused mastermind of the 911
> >> >> >> "terrorist"
> >> >> >> attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The Vice
> >> >> >> President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch supporter
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and
> >> >> >> Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the war.
> >> >> >> Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
>
> >> >> >> 8. Paul Wolfowitz. Former US Deputy Secretary of Defense and
> >> >> >> architect
> >> >> >> of the Middle Eastern War Without End. Casualties in two pre-emptive
> >> >> >> wars now exceed 100,000 deaths, not including the estimated 2,000+
>
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