Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Re: White House, Dems see tax cut vote only after election, due to GOP Obstruction

And the Dems never do this.   You can say all along it was procedural but how does that enable a future re-vote.   Why would 43 allow a revote and 42 not.  You lie yet again.

On 09/27/2010 04:20 PM, Tommy News wrote:
 
You fail to comprehend that Reid's vote was procedural, and it simply enables a future re-vote.
Party members are not troops, and should not vote in a block to block, as the Grand Obsructionist Party and you appear to falsely believe.
 
Wrong, yet again.
 
On 9/27/10, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
If you can't get your own troops in line, then you are a loser.  And Reid voted against the bill also.


On 09/27/2010 04:06 PM, Tommy News wrote:
Wrong again.
Only two Democrats (from Arkansas) voted against DADT repeal. Blaming Fifty nine Democrats for only two votes is false twisted prezel logic.
 
The Fourty Obstructionist Republicans, led by John McCain,  who all voted against cloture are to blame for the failure of the bill, and they also put the troops in harms way by voting against funding.

The vote was 56-43.

 



 
On 9/27/10, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
You blamed them for the loss on DADT but there were 37 Republican votes against.  Not enough to obstruct.  Why would this be any different.   You keep playing this game and you keep losing.  Open your eyes and see what is going on.   It was the Dem votes in DADT that doomed it and it would be the Dem votes on this that would doom it.

What you fail to see is that when you tack on legislation that has nothing to do with the main thrust of a bill, as exemplified by the DADT provision on the Pentagon budget bill and the Teddy Kennedy monument on the same bill, then people will vote against it because of these added provisions.   Bring on the provisions as their own bill and see what the vote will be.   DADT would probably have passed if Reid had not played games with his own bill - in fact he voted against it.  Now he is trying to do it again.  He will say it is a tax cut bill but wait and see what other krep provisions he adds on you will see why it would not pass as introduced.

The game the Dems are trying to play is to get at least 1 Republican to vote for the legislation.  Then they will portray the bill as having bi-partisan support as if there were multitudes of republicans who supported the krep.  I would hope that the public is smart enough to see through these tricks that the Dems are trying to play out.  Based on the current polls they are.


On 09/27/2010 03:49 PM, Tommy News wrote:
NO!
The absurd 60 vote filibuster rule gives the Republicans the ability to obstruct legislation, as they do over and over again.
 
The Republicans, as usual, are to blame.

 
On 9/27/10, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
    I see we are hearing the usual krep from Tommy.   Once again the Dems have an absolute majority in the house.  If they want to bring up the tax cuts and voe on them there is nothing stopping them from doing this.   Instead because they are not sure if this is a winning bit of legislation or not they choose to try to demonize the Republicans for supposedly stopping them.   Total krep but what else does one expect of this bunch of bozos in the administration and Dem leadership in the House and Senate.   Either bring it up or not; don't look to blame others for your own deficiencies and shortcomings.


On 09/27/2010 03:16 PM, Tommy News wrote:
White House, Dems see tax cut vote after election
 

WASHINGTON – The White House and Democratic leaders in Congress said Sunday they would find a way to extend middle-class tax cuts after the November elections, unable to secure GOP backing before lawmakers break to campaign.

"One way or the other, we're going to get it done. And I believe the pressure is going to build among the American people" said David Axelrod, President Barack Obama's top political aide.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., had suggested that a vote could be held this coming week before lawmakers leave town for the elections. But her deputy, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, said Sunday that holding a vote wouldn't matter because the legislation is still languishing in the Senate under GOP objections.

Both parties are using the delay in a vote on the fate of these George W. Bush-era cuts at a time of record deficits as political ammunition this election season.

Democratic leaders have said they want to freeze tax rates for individuals making up to $200,000 and for families earning up to $250,000. Republicans, as well as some more conservative Democrats, want to extend all of Bush's income tax cuts permanently, even for the wealthiest of Americans.

Democrats think the climate for compromise will improve after the election. They will still need at least one Republican vote in the Senate to pass a bill.

"We are for making sure that the middle-class Americans do not get a tax increase. And we're going to make sure that happens," Hoyer said.

Republicans say they want a chance to debate extending the tax cuts beyond the middle class or else they will block the Democratic proposal.

"If she's not willing to have a fair and open debate, she should not count on our votes," House GOP Leader John Boehner said of Pelosi.

Axelrod said that kind of strong-arm tactic will hurt Republicans in this fall's election.

"They're going to have to explain to their constituents why they're holding up tax cuts for the middle class," Axelrod said. "And I think it's an untenable position to say, "We're going to allow your taxes to go up on January 1st unless the president agrees to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires."

The Senate's second-ranking Democrat said he hoped the atmosphere will have changed after the election and the impassed ended. "Occasionally one Republican will break ranks and help us," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill.

Still, Republicans have seized on the impasse in Congress by alleging that Democrats are contributing to consumer uncertainty.

"The Democrats have failed to lead this," said Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif. "They are going to want to leave the House without dealing with it. That uncertainty itself is keeping capital on the sidelines and keeping jobs from being created in America."

Boehner said that if the House leaves without blocking the tax increases, "it will be the most irresponsible thing that I've seen since I have been in Washington, D.C."

Axelrod spoke on ABC's "This Week." Hoyer, Boehner and McCarthy appeared "Fox News Sunday." Durbin was on CNN's "State of the Union."

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