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very good!
maybe we need to tatoo it on the foreheads of socialist lberals so
they can't forget
On Jul 6, 7:14 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Consent is checked too.
>
> This ain't, never was, and never will be, a democracy.
>
> On Jul 5, 12:07 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > .....as to them shall seem most likely
> > to effect their safety and happiness.
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> > This means that if they want Sharia in their land... if they want stoning
> > and beheading they have the right to institute it. They have the right to
> > have a dictator until they find it no longer useful. They have the right to
> > rebel. It does not give anyone from outside the right to impose a different
> > system.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:17 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > > I think thats the whole point of the treatise.
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> > > That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
> > > deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
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> > > Not jobs power or white marble offices; not birth right, philosohpy or
> > > ideology.
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> > > THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.
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> > > The great experiment. The jazz.
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> > > On Jul 4, 1:05 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Gee MJ,
>
> > > > This little treatise completely ignores the explanation and conditions
> > > > for all men to be equal ie:
>
> > > > That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
> > > > deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That
> > > > whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it
> > > > is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute
> > > > new government, laying its foundation on such principles and
> > > > organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely
> > > > to effect their safety and happiness.
>
> > > > On Jul 4, 10:15 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
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> > > > > "The Declaration of Independence upended that age-old notion of rights.
> > > All men -- not just Americans -- have been endowed by God and nature, not
> > > government, with fundamental and unalienable rights. Governments are called
> > > into existence by the people -- and exist at their pleasure -- for one
> > > purpose: to protect the exercise of these inherent rights."The Real Meaning
> > > of the Fourth of JulybyJacob G. Hornberger, July 4, 2008
> > > > > Contrary to popular myth, the men who signed the Declaration of
> > > Independence were not great Americans. Instead, they were great Englishmen.
> > > In fact, they were as much English citizens as Americans today are American
> > > citizens. It s easy to forget that the revolutionaries in 1776 were people
> > > who took up arms against their own government.
> > > > > So how is it that these men are considered patriots? Well, the truth is
> > > that their government didn t consider them patriots at all. Their government
> > > considered them to be bad guys -- traitors, all of whom deserved to be
> > > hanged for treason.
> > > > > Most of us consider the signers of the Declaration of Independence to
> > > be patriots because of their courage in taking a stand against the
> > > wrongdoing and tyranny of their own government, even risking their lives in
> > > the process.
> > > > > Yet not even the patriotism and courage of these English citizens
> > > constitutes the foremost significance of the Fourth of July, any more than
> > > the military victory over their government s forces at Yorktown does.
> > > > > Instead, the real significance of the Fourth of July lies in the
> > > expression of what is undoubtedly the most revolutionary political
> > > declaration in history: that man s rights are inherent, God-given, and
> > > natural and, thus, do not come from government.
> > > > > Throughout history, people have believed that their rights come from
> > > government. Such being the case, people haven t objected whenever government
> > > officials infringed upon their rights. Since rights were considered to be
> > > government-bestowed privileges, the thinking went, why shouldn t government
> > > officials have the power to regulate or suspend such privileges at will?
> > > > > The Declaration of Independence upended that age-old notion of rights.
> > > All men -- not just Americans -- have been endowed by God and nature, not
> > > government, with fundamental and unalienable rights. Governments are called
> > > into existence by the people -- and exist at their pleasure -- for one
> > > purpose: to protect the exercise of these inherent rights.
> > > > > What happens if a government that people have established becomes a
> > > destroyer, rather than a protector, of their rights? The Declaration
> > > provides the answer: It is the right of the people to alter or even abolish
> > > their government and establish new government whose purpose is the
> > > protection, not the destruction, of people s rights and freedoms.
> > > > > The Constitution and the Bill of Rights must be construed in light of
> > > that revolutionary statement of rights in the Declaration of Independence.
> > > The American people used the Constitution to bring the federal government
> > > into existence but also, simultaneously, they used that document to limit
> > > the government s powers to those expressly enumerated in the Constitution.
> > > With the Constitution, people limited the powers of their own government in
> > > a formal, structured way, with the aim of protecting their rights and
> > > freedoms from being infringed upon by that same government.
> > > > > Why did Americans deem it desirable and necessary to limit the powers
> > > of the federal government? Because they feared the possibility that their
> > > new government would become like their former government against which they
> > > had had to take up arms. While they recognized the necessity for government
> > > -- as a means to protect their rights -- they also recognized that the
> > > federal government was the greatest threat to their rights. By severely
> > > limiting the powers of the federal government to those enumerated within the
> > > Constitution, the Framers intended to encase the federal government within a
> > > straitjacket.
> > > > > Even that was not sufficient for the American people, however. As a
> > > condition for approving the Constitution, they demanded passage of the Bill
> > > of Rights, which emphasized two deeply held beliefs: (1) that the federal
> > > government, not some foreign entity, constitutes the greatest threat to the
> > > rights and liberties of the American people; and (2) that the enumeration of
> > > specific rights and liberties, both substantive and procedural, would better
> > > ensure their protection from federal infringement.
> > > > > On the Fourth of July we celebrate the patriotism and courage of those
> > > English revolutionaries who were willing to pledge their lives, fortunes,
> > > and sacred honor in defense of the most revolutionary declaration of rights
> > > in history -- that man s rights come from God and nature, not from
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