Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

Good Morning Michael, 
 
One source that I think would be a good place to start, to document what many of our Founding Fathers thought and believed, would be Benjamin Franklin's auto-biography.  The true, correct version of Franklin's auto-biography is getting harder and harder to find,  because most Jews, revisionists and secularists would not like for the American public to know what is written there,  but Franklin accurately and definitively describes not only his own personal beliefs,  but the beliefs that many of his compatriots felt during the era.   You can still obtain a true and correct copy of Franklin's auto-biography through Barnes and Noble,  but very few libraries,  and Amazon.com do not carry the unabridged version any longer.
 
Dr. James Kennedy I thnk aptly described Thomas Jefferson's Christian beliefs, and succinctly debunked the theory that Jefferson was only a Deist:
 
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

I am not certain if our tongue is firmly planted in your cheek, but how about some EVIDENCE to support your claims.

Regard$,
--MJ

Although it had its share of strenuous Christians... the gathering at Philadelphia was largely made up of men in whom the old fires were under control or had even flickered out. Most were nominally members of one of the traditional churches in their part of the country.. and most were men who could take their religion or leave it alone. Although no one in this sober gathering would have dreamed of invoking the Goddess of Reason, neither would anyone have dared to proclaim his opinions had the support of the God of Abraham and Paul. The Convention of 1787 was highly rationalist and even secular in spirit. -- Clinton Rossiter, 1787; The Grand Convention, pp. 147-148



At 10:22 AM 2/28/2012, you wrote:
That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is horse hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and they knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be folks like you who would attempt to re-write history. 
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican < plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
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You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost funny.

He would very much like to
rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was founded
upon
Christian principles and tenets
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by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our government.
While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did many
believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of other
religions or no religion at all.
To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it a xian
nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look like a
religious nutcase.
Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion.

On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hey Mark!
>
> PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very much like to
> rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was founded upon
> Christian principles and tenets.
>
> As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden Coffee Table!
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> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation... The Church of
> > Gonz (send money or women)  http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine organization....
>
> > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held beliefs to anything
> > "mainstream".
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> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com > wrote:
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> >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious nutcase
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> >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom sounds
> >> > Moonbatty.....
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> >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
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> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared to Romney and
> >> > > Paul.
> >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like the the jews, want
> >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars. Americans owe
> >> > > them nothing.
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> >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Tommytomtom,
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> >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"... it does guarantee
> >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > From Greg
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> >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW
> >> UP' -
>
> >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington Post:"Rick Santorum on
> >> Sunday
> >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I don't believe in an
> >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state are absolute,' he
> >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The idea that the
> >> church
> >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the
> >> state
> >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our
> >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no role in the public
> >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made last
> >> October. He
> >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading JFK's 1960
> >> speech in
> >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the separation of church and
> >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press host David
> >> Gregory
> >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the founders'
> >> vision.'
>
> >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on religious rhetoric
> >> in an
> >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super Tuesday. Last
> >> week,
> >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama believes in] some
> >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a theology based on the
> >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> >> > > > > More:
> >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> >> > > > > Have a great day,
> >> > > > > Tommy
>
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> >> > > > > Have a great day,
> >> > > > > Tommy
>
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