Are you this so totally backward, or are you just so pissed off
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neither ... just intolerant of those who would try to make the USA a
religious state.
Christians and Christianity was the founding precepts of the U.S.,
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why not mention the jewish founding precepts also?
our secular government doesn't recognize christianity as anything
other than a protected religion.
LOL! Pitiful PlainOl. Goofy too.
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armed with a secular Constitution that keeps kooky religious myth
believers in the cross hairs and out of influence.
LOL!
On Aug 11, 8:17 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Geesh.....Are you this so totally backward, or are you just so pissed off
> that Christians and Christianity was the founding precepts of the U.S.,
> and you want to re-write history so bad you can taste it?
>
> LOL! Pitiful PlainOl. Goofy too.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
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> > wrote:
> > I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and
> > tenets' might be.
> > ----
> > let me go first ... !!!
> > first ... they think that the principles that were adopted were
> > christian principles, which in many cases is a faulty presumption.
>
> > Examples:
>
> > Religious freedom - Nothing unique to christians. Didn't the Romans
> > allow the jews to practice their religion?
> > Is that what the christians are offering muslims today in America?
>
> > Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state - Thousands
> > of government have given authority to a god.
> > They are demanding that non-believers submit to a mythical authority.
>
> > Sanctity of life - They are still trying to outlaw abortion, stem cell
> > research, suicide, etc.
>
> > All men are sinners - Pushing their mythical religious guilt onto
> > others. Very protestant.
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> > All men created equal - christians, like jews and muzzies, don't
> > consider non-believers equal.
>
> > Judicial, legislative, and executive branches - Not unique to
> > christianity. Can still produce terrible decisions.
>
> > Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to
> > influence the state. - Oh, like the religious state of israel? No
> > thanks.
>
> > Republican form of government and warnings against kings but in favor
> > of Godly rulers. - It's not the government job to promote those they
> > see as godly. Finding honest men is better than finding religious myth
> > believers.
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> > Importance of governing self and family as first level of governance.
> > - Yet they endorse intervention in the middle east.
>
> > Fair trial with witnesses. - not unique to christianity nor cited in
> > decision.
>
> > Private property rights. - not uniquely christian
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> > Justice Brewer was the author of the unanimous opinion of the Court in
> > Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (143 U.S. 457, 36 L.Ed.
> > 226, 12 S. Ct. 511 February 29, 1892), which addressed a dispute over
> > an employment contract between an Anglican priest and the titular
> > church. Justice Brewer's statement in that opinion, "These, and many
> > other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial
> > declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a
> > Christian nation" is often incorrectly cited as part of the
> > controlling ruling in the matter, which is not the case. Indeed,
> > Justice Brewer's book, The United States: A Christian Nation,
> > published in 1905,contained the following passage:
>
> > But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian
> > nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion
> > or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the
> > contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall
> > make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the
> > free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all
> > its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the
> > contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of
> > our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is
> > it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a
> > condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service,
> > or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact,
> > the government as a legal organization is independent of all
> > religions.
>
> > On Aug 10, 1:20 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and tenets'
> > might be.
> > > I am especially interested in primary source materials where <insert
> > Founder> claims <book/chapter/verse> applies to <article/section/clause>
> > and similar.
> > > The DoI, for instance, impugns the Divine Rights of Kings -- which is
> > the biblically based Government.
> > > Regard$,
> > > --MJ
> > > The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example
> > of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are
> > now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture,
> > hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in
> > their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American
> > governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in
> > America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be
> > pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the
> > gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those
> > at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it
> > will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely
> > by the use of reason and the senses....
> > > -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the
> > United States of America" [1787-1788];At 01:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:As
> > much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear, it must really suck,
> > to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is founded
> > upon Christian principles and tenets. No matter whether you like it, or
> > don't like it, this, is your heritage.
>
> > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:the German government of the 1920s
> > enthusiastically supported andpromoted Barnes's views as exonerating their
> > country, while thepostwar West German government accepted national
> > responsibility forthe Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations
> > to Jewishsurvivors.On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:> Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM,
> > Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>>>>> > Here's a short
> > video of one of the "Churches" in the heart of D.C.;> > worth a
> > watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of> > "revisionist
> > history":>> >http://stg.do/Iwpc>> > --> > Thanks for being part of
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