completely against everything he learned in grade school in Indonesia.
On Apr 16, 8:36 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Most Democrats agreed that raising the issue in the context of the
> election might be counterproductive even for the gay rights movement
> itself."
>
> Nice excuse!
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> On Friday, April 13, 2012 10:40:56 AM UTC-4, Tommy News wrote:
> > Why Obama (probably) won't endorse gay marriage this year
>
> > The at-times-uneasy relationship between President Obama and the gay
> > community hit another bump in the road this week when the White House
> > declined to push through an executive order banning government
> > contractors from discriminating against employees based on sexual
> > orientation or gender identity.
> > And while that move raised eyebrows, it's not the major sticking point
> > between the GLBT community and Obama. That, of course, is gay
> > marriage.
>
> > Salon's Steve Kornacki this week points out that, while most of the
> > Democratic Party's class of potential 2016 presidential contenders
> > supports gay marriage, Obama has still, despite indications that he
> > may change his position at some point, declined to jump on board. Such
> > a move that would make him first major-party presidential nominee to
> > do so but would hardly make him a trailblazer in Democratic politics.
> > But gay marriage advocates shouldn't hold their breath.
>
> > According to Fix interviews with more than half-dozen Democratic
> > strategists, basically nobody in Obama's party is expecting him to
> > make the switch before the election. And even supporters of gay rights
> > suggest the timing might be wrong.
>
> > While many may see it as the right thing to do, they say pulling such
> > a switch would be too difficult this close to an election.
>
> > "I don't expect him to change his position at this point," said
> > Democratic strategist Joe Trippi. "On the one hand, it would be a
> > welcome surprise for many, and on the other hand, be seen as
> > politically motivated and polarizing to others because of the timing."
>
> > Most Democrats agreed that raising the issue in the context of the
> > election might be counterproductive even for the gay rights movement
> > itself.
>
> > "Speaking as a gay person, he should do what he believes is best for
> > the country," said former Obama adviser Steve Hildebrand. "If
> > endorsing gay marriage is best, then that is what he should do. I
> > would encourage him to do what he believes is best for the country and
> > to not let politics play a part if that is possible."
>
> > Obama, of course, has made inroads — significant ones — with the GLBT
> > community, most notably ending the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
> > policy for gays in the military and speaking out against California's
> > Proposition 8, which overturned the state's gay marriage law.
>
> > He has also spoken out against a federal amendment defining marriage
> > as between a man and a woman — the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).
>
> > Given what the president has already done, it's not clear that taking
> > it a step further would be at all beneficial. Indeed, it may hurt.
>
> > "It would give (Mitt) Romney an issue to try to blunt his serious
> > flip-flopping problem, and the president has already shown his strong
> > commitment to equality for LGBT Americans in ending don't ask, don't
> > tell, passing hate crimes bill, speaking out against DOMA and state
> > level anti-gay marriage legislation," said a Democratic strategist.
>
> > Despite all of that, gay marriage is very much a sticking point for
> > many in the gay community. And given the plenty of big-name Democrats
> > have jumped on-board, the pressure on Obama to follow suit is growing
> > by the day.
>
> > While there has not been a large-scale rebuke of the president by gay
> > marriage supporters, there is some indication that the issue could be
> > coming to a head.
>
> > The newly named chairman of the Democratic National Convention, Los
> > Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, has said gay marriage may be voted
> > on as part of the party's platform this year — a move that would
> > really force the issue.
>
> > Either way, the issue is picking up steam. Several states have moved
> > to allow gay marriage in recent months, and polling, for the first
> > time, shows a majority of Americans support such laws.
>
> > That might suggest Obama would be well-served to support the law.
>
> > But even if you set aside the idea that such a move would look
> > transparently political, backing gay marriage doesn't gain Obama much.
> > He's already got many supporters in the gay community thanks to the
> > things he has done, and backing gay marriage really only risks
> > alienating independent voters and firing up a conservative base that
> > isn't quite raring to go right now.
>
> > Opposition to gay marriage, after all, is much more strident than
> > support, and make no mistake: Social conservatives would be up in arms
> > if Obama started pushing gay marriage.
>
> > "Right now the far right is not motivated to support Romney," said one
> > Democratic strategist who worked on Obama's 2008 campaign. "Supporting
> > gay marriage in an election year would do wonders for motivating the
> > right-wing Republican base, and that's not something I can imagine the
> > president doing."
>
> > For his part, Obama hasn't said much on the issue in recent months,
> > and his campaign doesn't appear anxious to make gay rights a key issue
> > in the looming campaign.
>
> > Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Obama will decide when the time is
> > right.
>
> > "The President and the President alone will come to a decision,"
> > LaBolt said in a statement. "From allowing hospital visitation rights
> > for gay partners to repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' President Obama
> > has done more to advance equal rights for gays and lesbians than any
> > other President — a record we intend to highlight."
>
> > More Here:
>
> >http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor...
>
> > --
> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > Have a great day,
> > Tommy
>
> > --
> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > Have a great day,
> > Tommy
>
> On Friday, April 13, 2012 10:40:56 AM UTC-4, Tommy News wrote:
>
> > Why Obama (probably) won't endorse gay marriage this year
>
> > The at-times-uneasy relationship between President Obama and the gay
> > community hit another bump in the road this week when the White House
> > declined to push through an executive order banning government
> > contractors from discriminating against employees based on sexual
> > orientation or gender identity.
> > And while that move raised eyebrows, it's not the major sticking point
> > between the GLBT community and Obama. That, of course, is gay
> > marriage.
>
> > Salon's Steve Kornacki this week points out that, while most of the
> > Democratic Party's class of potential 2016 presidential contenders
> > supports gay marriage, Obama has still, despite indications that he
> > may change his position at some point, declined to jump on board. Such
> > a move that would make him first major-party presidential nominee to
> > do so but would hardly make him a trailblazer in Democratic politics.
> > But gay marriage advocates shouldn't hold their breath.
>
> > According to Fix interviews with more than half-dozen Democratic
> > strategists, basically nobody in Obama's party is expecting him to
> > make the switch before the election. And even supporters of gay rights
> > suggest the timing might be wrong.
>
> > While many may see it as the right thing to do, they say pulling such
> > a switch would be too difficult this close to an election.
>
> > "I don't expect him to change his position at this point," said
> > Democratic strategist Joe Trippi. "On the one hand, it would be a
> > welcome surprise for many, and on the other hand, be seen as
> > politically motivated and polarizing to others because of the timing."
>
> > Most Democrats agreed that raising the issue in the context of the
> > election might be counterproductive even for the gay rights movement
> > itself.
>
> > "Speaking as a gay person, he should do what he believes is best for
> > the country," said former Obama adviser Steve Hildebrand. "If
> > endorsing gay marriage is best, then that is what he should do. I
> > would encourage him to do what he believes is best for the country and
> > to not let politics play a part if that is possible."
>
> > Obama, of course, has made inroads — significant ones — with the GLBT
> > community, most notably ending the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
> > policy for gays in the military and speaking out against California's
> > Proposition 8, which overturned the state's gay marriage law.
>
> > He has also spoken out against a federal amendment defining marriage
> > as between a man and a woman — the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).
>
> > Given what the president has already done, it's not clear that taking
> > it a step further would be at all beneficial. Indeed, it may hurt.
>
> > "It would give (Mitt) Romney an issue to try to blunt his serious
> > flip-flopping problem, and the president has already shown his strong
> > commitment to equality for LGBT Americans in ending don't ask, don't
> > tell, passing hate crimes bill, speaking out against DOMA and state
> > level anti-gay marriage legislation," said a Democratic strategist.
>
> > Despite all of that, gay marriage is very much a sticking point for
> > many in the gay community. And given the plenty of big-name Democrats
> > have jumped on-board, the pressure on Obama to follow suit is growing
> > by the day.
>
> > While there has not been a large-scale rebuke of the president by gay
> > marriage supporters, there is some indication that the issue could be
> > coming to a head.
>
> > The newly named chairman of the Democratic National Convention, Los
> > Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, has said
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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