Saturday, March 31, 2012

Re: What’s going to happen during 3 days of SCOTUS arguments on health care?

False!

There is a way out. Death!

On Mar 30, 10:15 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My friend, I think we are on the same side here.  I am just pointing out
> that there is NO way out of the HC mandate.  NONE!  Whereas, there is with
> car insurance - don't drive.
>
> The better comparison would be funeral insurance (which is becoming VERY
> popular), as we most certainly will all die.  Ergo, you MUST buy it, and we
> mean NOW!!!  Or pay the PENALTY!  NOW!
>
> Dig?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:48:18 AM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote:
> > No its not.  If I don't wanna drive, I don't have to buy car
> > insurance.
>
> > Please show me the same escape in OBambicare.
> > ---
> > I concede it's not the same ... in that you will forced to buy health
> > insurance.
>
> > the only point I was making is that the state DOES require you to buy
> > auto insurance ... so they can require you buy health insurance ... if
> > this OC is ok's by the USSC
>
> > On Mar 29, 10:28 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > No its not.  If I don't wanna drive, I don't have to buy car insurance.
>
> > > Please show me the same escape in OBambicare.
>
> > > On Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:51:03 AM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote:
> > > > but it does force you to buy auto insurance if you do drive.
> > > > tom's point is valid
> > > > Some states will allow you to post a bond instead of buying insurance
>
> > > > On Mar 29, 7:45 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > The STATE government cannot force you to buy car insurance if you do
> > not
> > > > > intend to drive a car.
>
> > > > > The comparison falls down right there.
>
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:34:05 PM UTC-4, Tommy News wrote:
> > > > > > If the government can force you to buy car insurance, and it does,
> > why
> > > > > > can't it ask you to buy health insurance?
>
> > > > > > On Mar 25, 1:56 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >  "If the
> > > > > > > government can force you to buy health insurance, why can't it
> > force
> > > > > > > you to buy broccoli?"
>
> > > > > > > This is the crux of the matter.....
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 25, 12:30 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-the-supreme-court-debates...
>
> > > > > > > > What's going to happen during 3 days of arguments on health
> > care?
> > > > > > > > By Jeffrey Rosen,  PROFESSOR OF LAW Published: March 23
>
> > > > > > > > Starting Monday, the Supreme Court has scheduled six hours of
> > oral
> > > > > > > > arguments over three days to consider the constitutionality of
> > > > > > > > health-care reform, the most time given to a case in more than
> > 45
> > > > > > > > years. We're certainly in for a historic event — but it might
> > be
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > entertaining one, too.
>
> > > > > > > > Oral arguments are always theatrical: The lawyers stand only a
> > few
> > > > > > > > feet from the justices, who loom above them on a curved bench,
> > and
> > > > > > > > they are barraged with so many questions that they often have
> > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > completing a sentence. The hearings are also an opportunity
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > traditionally secretive Supreme Court to cut loose. In fact,
> > the
> > > > > > > > Roberts court is known as a "hot bench" — not a reference to
> > the
> > > > > > > > unusual sexiness of the justices but to the fact that eight of
> > the
> > > > > > > > nine are unusually chatty during oral arguments (Justice
> > Clarence
> > > > > > > > Thomas hasn't uttered a word since 2006). Even though the
> > justices
> > > > > > > > rarely change their minds during oral arguments if they
> > already
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > strong views about a case, the hearings can clarify their
> > > > thinking,
> > > > > > > > offer some lively give and take, and occasionally lead to
> > humor.
>
> > > > > > > > So, will the oral arguments over health-care reform produce
> > some
> > > > > > > > laughs? Here's a preview of what might transpire when the
> > commerce
> > > > > > > > clause becomes a punch line.
>
> > > > > > > > Justice Antonin Scalia
>
> > > > > > > > According to a 2010 study in the Communication Law Review,
> > Scalia
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > the funniest member of the court, based on how many laughs the
> > > > various
> > > > > > > > justices have elicited in the courtroom. But his wit sometimes
> > has
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > sharp edge. In 1988, when a lawyer fumbled for the answer to a
> > > > > > > > question, Scalia exclaimed, "When you find it, say 'Bingo!' "
>
> > > > > > > > Expect some zingers from Scalia in the health-care argument,
> > > > perhaps
> > > > > > > > focused on the not-so-side-splitting subject of whether
> > Congress
> > > > has
> > > > > > > > the authority to require people to buy health insurance as
> > part of
> > > > its
> > > > > > > > power to regulate interstate commerce. Imagine, for example,
> > the
> > > > > > > > following exchange:
>
> > > > > > > > Solicitor General Donald Verrilli: "In 2005, Justice Scalia,
> > you
> > > > held
> > > > > > > > that Congress has the power to prevent California from
> > authorizing
> > > > > > > > people to grow marijuana for their own use. Surely, the
> > decision
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > to buy health insurance has a far greater impact on the
> > economy."
>
> > > > > > > > Justice Scalia: "Depends on what part of California you're
> > from."
>
> > > > > > > > Justice Stephen Breyer
>
> > > > > > > > Breyer's jokes often follow a long question identifying the
> > > > hardest
> > > > > > > > issue in the case. He cares about legislative history and may
> > > > focus on
> > > > > > > > a striking irony in the health-care law briefs: During the
> > debate
> > > > over
> > > > > > > > the legislation in Congress, Republicans insisted that the
> > mandate
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > buy health insurance should be considered a tax, and Democrats
> > > > > > > > countered that it shouldn't. The moment President Obama signed
> > the
> > > > > > > > bill, though, both sides rushed to court to claim the
> > opposite:
> > > > > > > > Democrats now insist that the mandate is absolutely a tax (and
> > > > > > > > therefore authorized by the taxing clause of the
> > Constitution),
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > Republicans are equally confident that it's not.
>
> > > > > > > > This debate is also relevant to whether the court has the
> > power to
> > > > > > > > hear the case in the first place. If the mandate is a tax,
> > > > according
> > > > > > > > to a 1867 law, litigants may have to wait until it goes into
> > > > effect in
> > > > > > > > 2014 to challenge it. If Breyer can get a laugh out of the "is
> > it
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > tax?" debate, he deserves to be promoted to funniest justice.
>
> > > > > > > > Chief Justice John Roberts
>
> > > > > > > > All eyes will be on Roberts to see whether he is inclined to
> > > > interpret
> > > > > > > > the commerce clause of the Constitution as narrowly as he did
> > in
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > opinion that gave rise to one of his most memorable one-liners
> > as
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > appellate judge. In 2003, Roberts dissented from a ruling
> > holding
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the federal government could use the Endangered Species Act to
> > > > prevent
> > > > > > > > development on the habitat of the arroyo toad. He said the
> > federal
> > > > law
> > > > > > > > couldn't be applied to "a hapless toad that, for reasons of
> > its
> > > > own,
> > > > > > > > lives its entire life in California." Verrilli will try to
> > > > convince
> > > > > > > > Roberts that the interstate economic effects of thousands of
> > > > uninsured
> > > > > > > > sick people are far greater than those of the hapless toad,
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > while avoiding the word "toad."
>
> > > > > > > > As the crucial swing vote, Kennedy is most frequently
> > flattered in
> > > > > > > > Supreme Court briefs. Some libertarians hope that he will
> > strike
> > > > down
> > > > > > > > the health-care mandate by invoking the same right to privacy
> > that
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > recognized when he reaffirmed Roe v. Wade in 1992. "At the
> > heart
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence,
> > of
> > > > > > > > meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life,"
> > > > Kennedy
> > > > > > > > wrote; Scalia later ridiculed this as the "sweet mystery of
> > life"
> > > > > > > > passage. For Scalia and the other conservatives, Roe v. Wade
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > root of all constitutional evil. So if Paul Clement — who will
> > > > argue
> > > > > > > > before the court for the health-care law's challengers — wants
> > to
> > > > > > > > appeal to Kennedy without alienating the other conservatives,
> > he
> > > > may
> > > > > > > > try to murmur "sweet mystery" so quietly that only Kennedy can
> > > > hear
> > > > > > > > it.
>
> > > > > > > > Justices Elena Kagan
> > > > > > > > and Sonia Sotomayor
> > > > > > > > These justices weren't yet on the court during the period
> > covered
> > > > by
> > > > > > > > the 2010 laughter study, but Kagan may have her eye on
> > Scalia's
> > > > > > > > "funniest justice" title. She delivered the best one-liner of
> > the
> > > > > > > > current Supreme Court term. Noting that the Federal
> > Communications
> > > > > > > > Commission had interpreted its TV indecency policy to allow
> > the
> > > > > > > > cursing in "Saving Private Ryan" and the nudity in
> > "Schindler's
> > > > List,"
> > > > > > > > she said: "It's like nobody can use dirty words or nudity
> > except
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > Steven Spielberg."
>
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