Re: Immigration and Misplaced Blame

Good Morning Mark!

 

There are some folks who, when confronted with or dealing with a law, doctrine, manifesto, or just plainol' common sense;  they just downright refuse to accept it.   Law abiding citizens,  who, when they don't like the law, act like the law does not apply to them.

 

Such is the case here,  where the Constitution clearly mandates that a fundamental, primary tenet;  e.g.; the very security of our borders and our people, by a "central/federal" government,  there are those individuals who just downright refuse to accept this as fact, even when it is a very part of our Constitution. 

 

We've been down this road before:

 

http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/528381ba91151a01/6975eafc081309e1?hl=enᬿeafc081309e1

 

 

http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/db218d176a3fea96

 

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:22 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

Yelling does little for your delusion.
Migration, of course, is one of those (natural) rights.

Maybe THAT is the problem. You simply do not understand/grasp (natural) rights.

I certainly did not 'consent' ... the same applies for MOST within this Country.

You might seek out some Spooner, as well.

Regard$,
--MJ

"By what right do men exercise power over each other?" -- Auberon Herbert

At 09:18 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:

SHOW ME THE MAP OF THE WORLD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THOSE LINES... YOUR ARGUMENT IS BASED IN FANTASY... MINE IN REALITY... "CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" MEANS EXACTLY THAT.... "NO GOVERNMENT.....NO GOVERNED" , "NO GOVERNED....NO GOVERNMENT"

THIS REQUIRES CITIZENSHIP OR CONSENT (2 WAY...NOT 1 WAY STREET) TO BE GOVERNED...  A FOREIGN NATIONAL WITHOUT THAT 2 WAY CONSENT IS ILLEGAL

PLEASE TAKE A READING COMPREHENSION CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST NOTICED THE CAPS....SORRY.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

You remain confused.

To Secure (natural) rights ... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Governments are created to secure (natural) rights.

You want Government to VIOLATE (natural) rights ... and then insert some nonsense about voting and map lines.

INSTEAD of securing (natural) rights, you want Government to extend and withhold permission -- which has NOTHING to do with the Declaration et al.

Regard$,

--MJ

A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum

At 04:47 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:

Hey MJ'..... It's right HERE:

That to secure these rights,

Governments are instituted among Men,,,,,,,,,,,,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Foreign nationals are not "Governed" nor can they "Vote".  Please read and heed the Documents you try to quote.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

At 12:26 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote:

 MJ says:  They argue that we can't have people circumventing the

system because it undermines the rule of law. But laws are legitimate

only when they protect the natural rights of others.

Laws are designed to protect the natural rights of that countries

citizens... Definitely NOT "natural rights of others."

Where was THAT portion of the Declaration?

Regard$,

--MJ

It is a very dangerous doctrine to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions. It is one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. ... The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments coequal and cosovereign within themselves. -- Thomas Jefferson to Jarvis, 1820

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