golf and someone keeps forgetting those extra shots from the rough,
that isn't fair. In a democracy-on-demand Republic, such as my New
Constitution will form, anyone with a valid civil complaint can sue in
court. No one in government, such as an unconstitutional... Czar,
will be needed to keep things on the up and up.
I never read your over-sized quotes. If you have an "eye" problem,
perhaps you should get magnifying glasses. — J. A. A. —
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On May 12, 1:34 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> The bigger problem is that 'fair' is completely subjective and thus meaningless EXCEPT as a means for extortion and tyranny.
> Regard$,
> --MJFrom the fact that people are very different it follows that, if we treat them equally, the result must be inequality in their actual position, and that the only way to place them in an equal position would be to treat them differently. Equality before the law and material equality are therefore not only different but are in conflict which each other; and we can achieve either one or the other, but not both at the same time. -- F.A. HayekAt 10:53 AM 5/11/2011, you wrote:MJ, Johnathon and the world of fairness need to go the next step......
> It isABSOLUTELY UNFAIRthat the public should pay one cent more than the actual cost
> of a product. Why is there a "profit". All a "Profit does is to rip off the consumer.
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:21 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:Dear Jonathan: In any economic system there are good and bad points.Really?Capitalism is the system in which people are free to use their private property without outside interference.What are the 'bad points'?Executive compensation, that has sometimes been at the expense of theworkers cranking out the products, should be based on what is fair,not just who the supposed leaders of the corporations are. Endorsing socialism again, huh.What is 'fair'? Who gets to decide? Why them?Wal-Martstarted out giving financial incentives to the managers of the stores,until the wife of the founder insisted that workers would do a betterjob, and stay on those jobs longer if there was a profit sharingplan. A black janitor retired after forty or so years with thecompany and had several million dollars in the bank. That sort offairness doesn't sound like socialism, now, does it.If you mean Walmart VOLUNTARILY and within THEIR business model utilized 'profit sharing', then no.But having the Government FORCE businesses to do so ... is certainly socialism.I can't speak for Donald Trump, but in order to get quality labor forbuilding quality real estate properties—as he knows so well how to do—the compensation needs to be tops. In the long run, everyone in theemployment hierarchy will benefit when fairness reigns for those atthe bottom or at the top.Joe owns a business. He puts a sign in the window/on the lawn advertising that he needs employees. Pete applies for the job and agrees to wage X in exchange for task Y. Is Pete being paid fairly?FRANCE is currently implementing the type of socialism you are endorsing hereSalin on Sarkosy in the WSJMay 10, 2011 byPeter G. KleinAgreat op-ed from Pascal Salin, the Mises Institute's 2008 Schlarbaum Laureate, in yesterday's Wall Street Journal. Writes Pascal:[I]n his more recent statements and decisions Mr. Sarkozy seems to have tilted France even closer toward socialism than one might previously have thought possible. Last month, reiterating a theme that he first broached during his election campaign, the president declared that it is unfair that shareholders and owners get to keep all of a firm's profit, and that it would be more fair for company profits to be divided into three equal parts: one for shareholders, one for wage earners and one for reinvestment into the enterprise.This proposal suggests that Mr. Sarkozy totally fails to understand the role and nature of profit or the workings of a capitalist firm. A firm's employees, like its lenders and suppliers, receive a fixed price, their wages, in return for what they supply to the business -- their labor. This wage is guaranteed whether the firm turns a profit or not. The owners, in exchange for taking the risk of loss, receive any residual income -- that is, what is left over from the business's revenue after the wages, suppliers and the rest have been paid. Saying that it is unfair that owners get the profit is as meaningless as it would be to say that it is unfair that wage-earners get all the wages.Nevertheless, Mr. Sarkozy is now preparing to make his sense of fairness the law of the land. After some discussions about the precise features of this proposal, his government has now put forward a law that will force firms with more than 50 employees to pay them a bonus whenever profit increases from one year to the next. The precise amount of the bonus is to be negotiated with trade unions. And of course, unlike a business's owners, wage earners will share in the profit but not help bear the cost of any losses.Regard$,--MJ"There is only one boss--the customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else" -- Sam Walton.--Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.* Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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